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Opera 12.17

  • @lem729

    For a slick and fast browser you have Chrome. People who wanted fast browser without any additional features switched from Opera long time ago, even before version 12. Yet Opera decided to make ANOTHER Chrome clone. Thats stupid. Its throwing away their userbase.
    And I would actually be ok with their decision to cut some features for some time to make the browser better, but they completely changed their manifesto. They dont want to make a better Opera 12 with all the features, they want to make a slick modern browser that is fast and shit. I dont care, I want to use it, not run speed benchmarks on it. I want feature complete browser. For users who want slick bare bones browser there already is Chrome. Its there for some time already. These users are already gone. Yet Opera team made a redundant product and year after they stil didnt made it any better.

  • As you know, Opera Presto will only receive security updates. No other bugs will be fixed.

    12.17 is only released for Windows. Heartbleed affected OpenSSL, i.e. all platforms, Win, Mac, Linux. Ergo: 12.17 fixed nothing. Particularly without changelog and official announcement there's no saying if it fixes anything or only makes things worse.

  • 12.17 is only released for Windows. Heartbleed affected OpenSSL, i.e. all platforms, Win, Mac, Linux. Ergo: 12.17 fixed nothing.

    Opera browser wasn't affected by Heartbleed.
    But heartbleed problem affected Opera's autoupdater application.
    Probably this update fixes autoupdater.

  • As you know, Opera Presto will only receive security updates. No other bugs will be fixed.

    12.17 is only released for Windows. Heartbleed affected OpenSSL, i.e. all platforms, Win, Mac, Linux. Ergo: 12.17 fixed nothing. Particularly without changelog and official announcement there's no saying if it fixes anything or only makes things worse.

    There is no relation to heartbleed as Opera seems to not be affected by that issue, except for the autoupdater for Windows: http://blogs.opera.com/security/2014/04/heartbleed-heartaches/

  • Too sad I can't +1/-1 some posts. As this topic became just butting (or tug-of-war), I'll post my part.

    leushino:

    DEAL with the real world and not one of your own making.

    see, clear naming is something that is required for logical thinking. Chopera (or Webkit Opera, or whatever you call it) is definitely different product, and it should not be called like like previous one. And renaming prevoius one, after using its name for years, is quite confusing, that's why oldfags (I'm one too, so no offense) leave "Opera" name for old (Presto, as you call it) Opera, and give a new name to newer one.

    Go browse to your hearts' content and be happy.

    don't tell us what to do, and we won't tell you where to go.

    Why hang about here looking for every opportunity to make trouble? Or is this what can be expected of the so-called power-users: that they are essentially troublemakers?

    The only dismal spot in this is the continued whining and crying from the Presto crowd.

    If you read Seth (or other marketers), you know, that it's power users who make a choice or shall be conveinced.

    And whoever choosed Presto over other browsers (like extensions-powered Firefox or "one for all" UI of Chrome or Safari), had their reasons (one .ini to rule them all).

    While Presto developed, they had hopes that it will eventually grow up to parrallel scripts loading, and beat others. Once Opera team dimissed Presto, all hopes lost, only hatered and bile left.

    This is what THEY got. Now THEY will DEAL with it.
    And don't call that a trouble, as it isn't.

    Now Opera left with sparse newfags and old noob-users who really don't need bookmarks (as example, but not primarily) and their opinion is ignored by the crowd.
    And all old Opera fans who hate new Opera and wish it dead, and loathingly use some another browser (or even new Opera).

    Of course, there are exceptions. True believers, Opera employees, etc. How big is that percentage?

    This is exactly what called "Opera is unneeded".

    P.S. Everything you have in new Opera, you can get in Chrome or Firefox with extensions. But neither Chrome nor Firefox fired their fans yet (though Firefox new UI was questionable at least).

  • As you know, Opera Presto will only receive security updates. No other bugs will be fixed.

    12.17 is only released for Windows. Heartbleed affected OpenSSL, i.e. all platforms, Win, Mac, Linux. Ergo: 12.17 fixed nothing. Particularly without changelog and official announcement there's no saying if it fixes anything or only makes things worse.

    There is no relation to heartbleed as Opera seems to not be affected by that issue, except for the autoupdater for Windows: http://blogs.opera.com/security/2014/04/heartbleed-heartaches/

    See now how a changelog would matter? The company has become so dyscommunicative that it's quite a ridiculous stretch to say they care about their products and users.

  • April Fool's day:)

    April Fool's year, rather.

    Really, I know I'm saying the same thing over and over again, but Opera Software can't really convince me that progress is happening and that I should continue using its new products. It seems like user feedback is not really in esteem - it took three or four versions to come up with a half-baked Bookmarks implementation that's not even nearly as powerful as it is in Opera 12. It's like they took statistics from this kind of users that probably never touched the settings and could easily go with any other browser and that would only see that the browser's icon is different.
    What happened to all the power to customization? What happened to the one-gesture or one-key "make-me-a-breakfast"? Heck, I can't even have "Gesture Up" to reload the page any more, and it's not like this haven't been asked for.

    It seems I'm sticking with Opera 12 for a while and jumping to, say, Sleipnir at some point.

  • No changelog? Strange. I came here looking for it but there doesn't seem to be any even in depths of this place, not to mention accessible places that are used by 95% of people.

    Not going to look a gifted horse in its mouth, though. Thanks, devs, for the update, even though I don't know what it did. Nothing seems to have change so i'll assume that it's security-related.

    When you go under, please make Opera Presto open source. You'll be bankrupt anyway and the community will make magic with it. I'm sure of that.

  • @makavcio

    No changelog?

    The autoupdater is fixed because of its SSL issues.

    When you go under, please make Opera Presto open source. You'll be bankrupt anyway and the community will make magic with it. I'm sure of that.

    Stop this nonsense.
    Opera Presto engine is licenced to other companies in their products. Opera will NOT give it to open source.

  • Opera Presto engine is licenced to other companies in their products.
    Wha? What products specifically are you talking about in which Presto is being used?

    Opera will NOT give it to open source.
    Well then they most likely will be forever remembered as a venal cowards ☺

  • Opera Presto engine is licenced to other companies in their products.
    Wha? What products specifically are you talking about in which Presto is being used?

    GIYF!
    Licensed to Nokia, Adobe, Macromedia, Nintendo, Sony.

  • It is impossible Opera please everyone. Now they left Presto, DEAL With IT. They are not going to go back to old one because a lot of users is crying for it. Now Opera ASA has a chance to have more users. If you do not like the new browser, use the old one or another one. But don't come here to say useless things.

  • The official announcement: Opera 12.17 out.

  • For those, who don't understand the fixes for this update: The autoupdater had some problems with SSL. One of these was a severe security issue, where a malicious attacker could crack the SSL connection and inject malware code, running on Windows.

  • Opera devs removed bookmarks due to a research they made. They discovered that only a minority have used bookmarks. Search in the blog for Opera 15 and read the articles. In the latest version you can enable the bookmarks bar on settings.

    The depth of the stupidity displayed here, and by Opera in general by abandoning the actual Opera browser is mind-blowing.

    The sheer scale of the lie that "most people don't use bookmarks" is tantamount to saying that "people don't actually need air to breathe." It's amongst the most horrifically obvious lies ever made in the history of...anything. Bookmarks, and the URL history arrow that they removed from the address bar long before then (by default), are 2 of the primary things a browser has to do in order to be useful...at all. And trying to deny those fundamental truths - or hide behind lies about "research" you did - is nothing but an abuse of your customer base. For which there is no benefit...for anyone.

    Chropera is, was, and always will be the worst thing that Opera Software ever did. And when the day comes that actual Opera, i.e. the 12.x line is no longer available, then actual web users will be forced to go elsewhere. Probably Firefox, since Chrome is as useless as Chropera.

    But please...morons like you that try to assist in the spreading of such ridiculous lies like "no one uses bookmarks or the URL history arrow" aren't doing anything but displaying your own bottomless stupidity to the rest of the world. Because anyone with at least 2 brain cells to click together can spot suck blatant lies.

  • First off we have the childish use of the word Chopera. There is NO browser by such a moniker

    Sure there is, it's an abbreviated form of saying "Chromium-based Opera". Just like, from now on, I'll refer to Presto-based Opera as "PrOpera". Seems fitting, somehow.

  • There is no Chopera. Sorry to have to continue to correct the juvenile posters who continue to whine in these forums.

    Back on topic: Opera 12.17 is simply a security fix and nothing more. There will be no further development of Opera Presto. Deal with it.

  • It's becoming increasingly tiresome to try and respond respectfully to these Opera bashers. First off we have the childish use of the word Chopera. There is NO browser by such a moniker other than your fevered minds so please... DEAL with the real world and not one of your own making. Secondly, you can hold on to Opera Presto for the foreseeable future now that the Opera team have updated the security so be happy. Go browse to your hearts' content and be happy. Why hang about here looking for every opportunity to make trouble? Or is this what can be expected of the so-called power-users: that they are essentially troublemakers? You like your Opera Presto which comes complete with everything like a Swiss Army knife and without the need for any extensions. Good for you. Be happy, I know I am with Opera 20. I apply only those extensions that I need and that suits me just fine. I enjoy its speed. I enjoy its compatibility. I enjoy the Stash, Speed Dial and Discover features. I enjoy the FACT that development will continue whereas that is not the case with the former browser which is now dead as far as future development is concerned. I enjoy the clean look of the browser. All in all... Opera has done a marvelous job in the past year and I look forward with anticipation to the coming year. The only dismal spot in this is the continued whining and crying from the Presto crowd.

    Some of us enjoy or used to enjoy Opera in the same way as you enjoy Chromepera. For some of us it is a big loss, because web is a big part of our real world. If you don't understand that, you probably can go and use Chrome just the same as IE.

  • For some of us it is a big loss, because web is a big part of our real world.

    Yes, but mourning, ranting and stranges wishes does not get the old world back. Its gone.

    Otherwize you have to use such browser:

  • It would be useful if Opera would publish a changelog for 12.17

    Probably when it is officialy released.

    it appears 12.16 also has never had a changelog published yet

    http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unified/1216/

    Thank you. I've been looking for that for some time... but I never tried the */unified path.

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