Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

It's not Google Chrome. It has distinct characteristics. But this argument is getting tired . . . Let's move on!

I mean the really remarkable characteristics that make a totally different browser than another (Chrome).
And I'm using the new OPERA at a time, and waiting anxiously for implementations that made the famous Opera. This is the reason we're here now believing that Opera will be able to maintain its characteristics with this new engine.>

It's okay, what you say, but you have to enjoy what is, right now. Focusing on tomorrow all the time is a recipe for misery. Right now, at this precise moment, I still enjoy this browser, Opera 22, with its unique and for me wonderful speed dial (with folders), and some of the other features -- Discover, Stash, Turbo mode -- that distinguish it from Chrome more than Chrome, Firefox, or Internet Explorer. If I enjoyed any of the other browsers more than Opera, I'd be using them right now instead of Opera. And I recommend that test for anyone. Use the browser you enjoy more right now! Don't be a martyr waiting for something. Yes, one hopes Opera will keep making it better. I understand it's a work in progress, and requires reprogramming a new engine, which is not an insubstantial task. And there's reason to trust the longterm excellence of Opera. But still, the test is for now. And if you're here because you enjoy it more than the other browsers now, focus on the things you enjoy about it, so you're not suffering in the waiting.
BTW, I was just on this site reading about Firefox 29, and all of the complaints about the Chromification of Firefox. They've got an extension icon bar now that looks like Chrome, except the icons are so small, I can hardly see them. Those extension icons in Firefox make the Opera extension icons look reasonable, almost big, at least in my Windows 7.

You are right. I should look for another browser that pleased me at the moment. And I was thinking to use Firefox, and be watching the development of Opera Blink. There are things that work in Firefox, it does not work in Opera, such as HTML5 Player on youtube.

I'm not saying that Blink Opera is a great browser, and has everything to be the best. But currently is not.

lem729

lem729

Exactly. For you, that's the thing to do. Good luck. And maybe after using Firefox for a while -- lol -- you'll have more of an appreciation for the faster Opera 22 (still a browser being refined) but with the world's greatest Speed Dial. Now Firefox is very much an extensions browser, so the exposure you got to extensions with the new Opera should be good preparation for that. I'm not knowledgeable on this HTML 5 ussue and You Tube -- whether Opera is lacking there or not. But you have to decide the feature or features that are important for you

lem729

lem729

@darthmordred

Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.

http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html

And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5

Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.

And yes, it is an important feature for me.

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

Exactly. For you, that's the thing to do. Good luck. And maybe after using Firefox for a while -- lol -- you'll have more of an appreciation for the faster Opera 22 (still a browser being refined) but with the world's greatest Speed Dial. Now Firefox is very much an extensions browser, so the exposure you got to extensions with the new Opera should be good preparation for that. I'm not knowledgeable on this HTML 5 ussue and You Tube -- whether Opera is lacking there or not. But you have to decide the feature or features that are important for you

Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions. And there are very useful Firefox extensions that do not have in the Chrome extensions library.

The Opera that made the difference for me were other features that many users have exhibited here in this topic. And hopefully gradually be implemented in Blink engine.

Deleted User

Deleted User

@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5

Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.
And yes, it is an important feature for me.

Acctually, Opera 22 suports free codecs such as WebM and VP9 but due to a Youtube's problem (see here) Opera devs made a patch to force Flash Player in all videos. But if you use this extension you will be able to see all videos with HTML5

PS: To use that extension use Opera Add-on 'Download Chrome Extension'

lem729

lem729

Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions.>

Yes, you can get speed dials in extensions in other browsers, but Opera's is the best, in my opinion (It's the class of the world). Have you tried making folders in the new Opera speed dial. You drag one link-thumbnail on top of another, and you have a folder. You can use beautiful art as wallpaper (either your own, Opera's, or by right clicking on a jpg you find on the web. Yes, Firefox has more extensions, but it's also slower -- perhaps the slowest of the major browsers. And the new Firefox 29 has been Chromified with its extensions bar of tiny icons.

samkook

samkook

I'm not sure I would say opera's speed dial is the best(but it is the original one), they all pretty much come down to the same thing.

I'm quite fond of the Super Start extension to have a speed dial in firefox and you can also create folders with it(although I personally find that useless) and there's a nice todo list that can be enabled on the right.

lem729

lem729

@samkook

But you don't like folders (they're useless to you) so touting Super Start is dubious since you don't appreciate the key item -- the folder aspect. Super Start also is a folder animal (and quite good for an extension speed dial), but Opera handles the folders, in my humble opinion, better. In Opera, you can expand the Speed Dial infinitely (with a search engine to find things). In Super Start there is no search engine to find things on the speed dial, so if you add a lot to the Speed Dial, you'll have trouble finding what you want.. In Opera you can have 8 or nine items on a row and it still looks good (and you can customize it further, and have more items). That's because Opera will only show four thumbnails in the folder, so the thumbnails in the folders still look good. In Super Start, it's look bad when you have too many items in a row (because Super Start will show all items in a folder, even 8 or 9 till they look near microscopic). In Opera if you click on a landmark in the Speed Dial it opens in a foreground view. In Super Start, it opens annoyingly in a background view. In Opera, you can go anywhere on the internet, find a jpg, and add it as wallpaper to the speed dial with a right click. And all the wallpaper you have for the Opera speed dial is segregated then, can be found with a right click on the speed dial) and you don't have to go hunting for stuff on your computer to make changes (unless you're adding new wallpaper). In Super Start, you can't add internet art, with a right click action. Nor are speed dial themes (that you have used before) segregated in a discrete location, that can instantly be found with a right click on the speed dial. Instead, you have to hunt on your computer for speed dial art/wallpaper, every time you want to make a change. In Super Start, when you make the folders smaller, the captions because exceedingly difficult to read. Opera's Speed Dial doesn't seem to have that problem. But don't get me wrong. I still like Super Start (for what it is, and it does have some unique, enjoyable features). I just prefer the Opera Speed Dial.

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

@darthmordred
Now when I tested Opera 22 on this HTML 5 test, it out-performed Firefox, Internet Explorer, and Safari.
http://html5test.com/results/desktop.html
And it is listed as supporting the HTML5 video player.
https://www.youtube.com/html5

Opera 22 does not support the HTML5 player on Youtube. Is being implemented, perhaps in Opera 23.
And yes, it is an important feature for me.

Acctually, Opera 22 suports free codecs such as WebM and VP9 but due to a Youtube's problem (see here) Opera devs made a patch to force Flash Player in all videos. But if you use this extension you will be able to see all videos with HTML5
PS: To use that extension use Opera Add-on 'Download Chrome Extension'

It did not work. A picture is better than words.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/darthmordred/operahtml5_zpsb2d20123.png

This problem does not occur in Firefox.>>> Speed Dial can be purchased for extensions.>

Yes, you can get speed dials in extensions in other browsers, but Opera's is the best, in my opinion (It's the class of the world). Have you tried making folders in the new Opera speed dial. You drag one link-thumbnail on top of another, and you have a folder. You can use beautiful art as wallpaper (either your own, Opera's, or by right clicking on a jpg you find on the web. Yes, Firefox has more extensions, but it's also slower -- perhaps the slowest of the major browsers. And the new Firefox 29 has been Chromified with its extensions bar of tiny icons.

Well, the speed dial works efficiently in extension for Firefox. But to come native in Opera, I also think better.
Regarding "Chromified", I disagree. Only the appearance has changed, and there is the option of leaving the old layout. Possibility that simply does not exist in Opera Blink, we are bound to use the layout of Chrome for a long, long time (assuming that we continue to operate using blink). This is a BIG difference.

Still, extensions, customizations, bars, menus, etc. still present. And is not that we are complaining about the new opera?

And yet, I have another problem with this engine. What seems common in forum Chrome. What is occasional freezes processing or memory, I do not know. My notebook is a I5 with 6GB RAM. I did not have this problem with PRESTO and Firefox.

Even in changlog Opera 22, there is an upgrade in regard to this problem. I suppose you have tabs for each debt case covers your price. I dont know.

lem729

lem729

When I was using Chrome more (back and forth with it and Opera Presto), I had some blue screens, and warnings from Norton that my CPU was almost entirely used by Chrome. I think it's more resource hungry than Opera. Since I started using Opera blink almost exclusively -- 3 months -- I've had no Norton warnings, and no blue screens.

A Former User

What has caused me disappointment with Opera blink, is the lack of innovative implementation of ASA in OPERA browser. Opera Next, currently is nothing more than a google Chrome, which is updated according to the google browser.
Wrong.

My Opera vs. Chrome "comparison": https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

What has caused me disappointment with Opera blink, is the lack of innovative implementation of ASA in OPERA browser. Opera Next, currently is nothing more than a google Chrome, which is updated according to the google browser.
Wrong.
My Opera vs. Chrome "comparison": https://forums.opera.com/post/31150

I've talked about it. The differences are superficial, nothing that makes a person prefer Chrome to Opera. Not yet. Speed Dial is the only major difference. And an extension easily solves the problem. It is an illusion that Opera is very different from the Chrome browser. Currently it is not, and we have to deal with it. Was the way that Opera chose. That instead of looking for the innovations themselves with own engine, lower costs, leaving all development to other companies. It is a cheaper and less risky bet.

For example, a change that you quote:
"The downloads pop-up is more discrete than the Chrome toolbar downloads"

It is irrelevant. Up for what is discreet and what is not is subjective. People are not idiots. Do not call the current operates chopera by chance, there is a background of reason to say that.

When I was using Chrome more (back and forth with it and Opera Presto), I had some blue screens, and warnings from Norton that my CPU was almost entirely used by Chrome. I think it's more resource hungry than Opera. Since I started using Opera blink almost exclusively -- 3 months -- I've had no Norton warnings, and no blue screens.

In my case, when I leave the notebook hibernating. And again I use it, the browser is slow, and need to restart opera, for it to work properly. The reason I think this is a problem that is greatly improved in version 22. And hopefully further improve in version 23.

A Former User

@darthmordred you're cherry-picking from the text I wrote. -.- Speed Dial and downloads pop-up are the tip of the iceberg. There are lots of differences you can see if you aren't intentionally blinding yourself.

DarthMordred

DarthMordred

@darthmordred you're cherry-picking from the text I wrote. -.- Speed Dial and downloads pop-up are the tip of the iceberg. There are lots of differences you can see if you aren't intentionally blinding yourself.

I got an example of a minor change you cited to support your argument.
Counter-argument citing several unimportant aspects between two very similar browsers, and post a link, does not automatically make a valid argument.

Deal with the fact that we are all using Opera on Blink sure that each version will have it's own personality.
It's what I believe will happen.

We are part of the user base OPERA, why trust it will be the best browser soon.

lem729

lem729

Slight correction there, Darthmordred. It is the best browser now even without all the features, and I do trust it will be even better in the future.

A Former User

I got an example of a minor change you cited to support your argument.
Counter-argument citing several unimportant aspects between two very similar browsers, and post a link, does not automatically make a valid argument.
They might be minor and unimportant for you, but for me they're significant and important differences I make use of everyday. And beyond that, they show that Opera is not a carbon copy / clone of Chrome like some people mistakenly affirm and that even in small things (and including the big things) the design choices Opera Software make are quite different than Google's team.

mccujo

mccujo

@lem729 The fact that I joined these fora on 24th of May is utterly irrelevant to my user history with Opera. You have made an assumption and accusation based on circumstantial data. I made a statement on my use history; you should pay me the curtsey of accepting that.

@leushino Tell the story as it is, I mentioned this thread in a new thread created with my comment. That thread was closed and I was directed here with, “If you know about that topic than just use it, please.”

Fanboys aren’t the only people be a voice and the right to use it.

Yes, I was disillusioned and expressed my disappointment. Such a position doesn’t exclude me from joining fora. They are the place for discussion, both promoting and dissenting. A wise person will take all opinions and treat them as valuable feedback that shows room for improvement and where things are performing well.

If you had read my original comment, lem729, you would have noticed I did indeed specify areas I felt require addressing.

Leushin, telling someone if they don’t like it, they should leave is a bully’s tactic.

Lem279 and Leushino, you two are members just like the rest of us. Try behaving like it

blackbird71

blackbird71

Many different kinds of folks use computers. Some of them keep everything auto-updated constantly, as much as they can, and stay abreast of the latest version releases to manually update everything else as soon as they can. Others users only periodically check for version status of software on their systems. And still others only check for updates when some news blurb or comment fragment somewhere moves them to. With software as widely distributed over so many years as Opera, scattered users of Presto Opera are still continually "discovering" that there have been radical version changes from Presto Opera with Blink Opera. Eventually those users find their way into these forums to either observe or ask what is going on... particularly so if they find key (to them) usability elements of the browser are missing, hidden, or radically altered. Those users who haunt these forums continually would be wise to remember that.

Both in the old MyOpera and the current opera.com forums, the internal forum search capabilities have some serious limitations... the current one being much worse than the former one, IMO. When a user comes here with a complaint or problem, his ability to find an existing thread on the same topic depends considerably on whether that user's forum search terms match those terms under which existing threads are parsed. The inability to post in an existing thread is compounded when multiple threads exist on a topic, but many or most have been closed for whatever reasons. Moreover, in the various forums I've been involved with, users who are particularly upset or confused about something have a strong tendency to immediately start a new thread, sometimes out of frustration and sometimes because they simply know no other way to express their concerns. As complaint threads are being squeezed into fewer and fewer threads that are allowed to remain open, a complainant's sense that he is being heard is reduced, and the likelihood that he will read all the many previous posts of a long and growing existing complaint thread collapses to near zero. Users who haunt a particular forum would be well served to understand that.

Just because a hundred users have already expressed the same complaint about a browser does not mean that complaint doesn't have validity in the mind of yet another user who has just discovered it and comes to the browser forum to express his concerns. When you replace a familiar piece of software of very long standing with something significantly different, this is exactly what you should expect will happen - and both patience and courtesy should constantly be applied in the face of such complaints. It's been a year or so since the first Blink Opera version was released, and some Presto Opera users are still, just now, attempting to adopt it and voicing their concerns with what they discover. And please realize that this process will still be playing out months and months from now. Again, users who haunt the forums should remember this.

lem729

lem729

@mccujo

You said you were a loyal supporter of Opera for 15 years, but I did note that you had pretty much just joined the forum. All I said was, "Welcome to the forum. And where have you been? In your post you referred to "software companies [meaning Opera] needing to get their arrogant heads out of their behinds." I don't think the forum benefits from that kind of crude language.

I agree with you blackbird71. The forum search is terrible. But answering the same general complaint every day -- from people who haven't followed at all the change from Opera Presto to the new Opera (or who just want to complain forever) -- is simply impossible. You're right that just because people express the same complaint doesn't mean it doesn't have validity. But it doesn't make it valid either. Opera changed direction, and some people lost features they previously had. Of course, they can still continue to use the old Browser, so in reality, they haven't lost. Anyway the general complaint about Opera blink has been answered ad infinitum. And having this discussion forever -- about why the move to a new browser engine, and why some features have been lost -- is an act of futility. At some point we have to move on.