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Opera Sold

  • Well, that is unfortunate. I suspect I'll be called a variety of names for my feelings on the matter but I simply cannot place my trust in software produced under Chinese control. I've been with Opera since 2000 but I guess this means it's time to look elsewhere.

  • It makes me a bit sad, too... thinking about moving to Chrome.

    By the way, haven't you guys noticed how many additions we have saw in the Opera Developer version during these months?

    VPN, Pop-out video, Adblock, RSS Reader... it makes me wonder... the developers doesn't have control about the shareholders, nor about this acquisition, or what the Golden Brick will decide to do with Opera... but they can code.

    During all these years, Opera's market share has been low, and that's the reason Opera was looking for a buyer. Actually, were the shareholders who wanted that, and were they who accepted the acquisition with the Chinese.

    After the initial announcement, the Opera Dev team... maybe, they decided to do their best to show to the shareholders, and the users, that Opera can be greater without Qihoo. That's why #StillYourOpera started, but also why all these new additions.

    The developers did their best to increase the userbase, and by that persuading the shareholders to not accept the acquisition.

    ... this is pretty sad.

  • I can not trust in Opera browser, in the current conjuncture. I have seven years of use and it is enough to make me captive, both by technical excellence, as by the feeling of affection that its use had generated -- I will say as I will say ahead, putting aside a possible embarrassment -- in my soul.

    Due to some influences of some relations from My Opera, conserved though its extinction, but also due to the building inspired by the old Opera Presto, also loved by me, I felt myself inclined for Vivaldi

    I'm coming from install it. And it seems that I will find a kind of healing for the morbid state that the loss was causing me. One aspect that afflicted me was the conservation of passwords and bookmarks, saved in Opera. For, Vivaldi immediately has imported passwords and bookmarks of the Opera, in seconds. That was a relief to the beginning and the project of Vivaldi, very similar to Opera Presto, should complement it. Where else, and which other browser allows this for me? Import from the Opera is not encountered easily (even hardly, I guess).

    I am saying all this, not for promote Vivaldi, within the ambit of a concurrent, which would be unethical.

    My aim is try give some consolation to many I know as injured as I am.

  • Well, that is unfortunate. I suspect I'll be called a variety of names for my feelings on the matter but I simply cannot place my trust in software produced under Chinese control. I've been with Opera since 2000 but I guess this means it's time to look elsewhere.

    With anything, trust must be earned before I will grant it. The trust questions raised when the development of something as intimate as one's web browser moves under control of a business centered beneath a repressive, censorial political regime must necessarily extinguish the trust level previously earned by the browser's makers. With the passage of time and after broad marketplace and analytical evaluation, that trust may indeed be re-earned, but until then, I believe as you do that trust must be withdrawn. I feel great compassion for Opera and its developers who had no part in this, but are simply being carried along with the flow. But until I am convinced that its further efforts are absolutely unimpeded or 'politically' uninfluenced by the new owners' regime, I will have no trust in its future browser designs. I am indeed sorry.

  • So as of today, is the Opera sale to the Chinese company going to happen?

  • So as of today, is the Opera sale to the Chinese company going to happen?

    Given that the necessary number of shareholders have approved the deal, that part is now history - Opera and its stockholders have agreed to be bought by the Chinese consortium. All that would block it now would be a disapproval by either the Norwegian or Chinese government. As to when those approvals (or disapprovals) might occur depends on the time required to prepare any application-submittal and the bureaucratic latency of both governments' review processes. For a lot of reasons, it's idle to speculate on the odds of approval or disapproval and how long the decisions will both take, although because there's no 'sensitive' software technology involved, things may go easier and faster than otherwise.

  • ...that part is now history - Opera and its stockholders have agreed to be bought by the Chinese consortium. All that would block it now would be a disapproval by either the Norwegian or Chinese government.

    So assuming all of the approvals are given, when can we expect for it to actually happen and Opera to come under the control of the Chinese company?

  • when can we expect for it to actually happen and Opera to come under the control of the Chinese company?

    It will depend on the regulators. I would say a few months.

  • Will it be public knowledge when it actually happens?

    Also, what other browser still supports Vista (aside from Firefox)? Unfortunately Vivaldi doesn't (from version 1.1).

  • ...
    Also, what other browser still supports Vista (aside from Firefox)? Unfortunately Vivaldi doesn't (from version 1.1).

    Slimjet still does, but the Slimjet Developer's Blog (http://www.slimjet.com/blog/regarding-support-for-windows-xp-and-32-bit-linux/), 13 March 2016 states: "We will continue to support XP & Vista for the Slimjet project until the Chrome team injects too much code incompatible with XP and Vista into the Chromium project."

    This is going to become a general issue with any chromium-based browser still supporting XP and Vista, unless the developers are willing to either remain with an older and increasingly insecure chromium version or else fork their own modified chromium engine. Remove chromium browsers from the mix and one is left with few alternatives beyond Gecko (Firefox) variants. Slimjet support for Vista may perhaps last longer than XP support because of Vista's similarity to Win7, resulting in lesser chromium deprecation impact.

  • And the Chromium browser itself supports Vista? And, does anyone know where the download button is on their website?

    Also, will we know a date (or approximate period) when control of Opera gets transferred to the new owners?

  • Will it be public knowledge when it actually happens?

    Most probably.

    And the Chromium browser itself supports Vista?

    Nope, Chromium based browsers stopped supporting XP and Vista exactly because Chromium ended support for those OSs.

    Also, will we know a date (or approximate period) when control of Opera gets transferred to the new owners?

    As i said, as soon as the regulators approve the acquisition.

  • And, does anyone know where the download button is on their website?

    There is no installer to be downloaded, only the source code.

  • Chromium based browsers stopped supporting XP and Vista exactly because Chromium ended support for those OSs.

    But they don't have to drop it if they don't wan to, just as Slimjet didn't.

  • Chromium based browsers stopped supporting XP and Vista exactly because Chromium ended support for those OSs.

    But they don't have to drop it if they don't wan to, just as Slimjet didn't.

    Nobody 'has' to do anything, they do what they choose to do and thus must deal with whatever costs are associated with doing it. Chromium code contained unique elements for XP, and that is now deprecated - meaning it's being removed from chromium code as various code blocks are worked on for various reasons. That means things will break if the code is run on XP - perhaps major, perhaps minor things. As to what breaks in which emerging chromium version, it's hard to say. Rather than risk promising compatibility that suddenly breaks, many chromium-based browser makers simply avoid installing new versions into XP systems. And Slimjet has not guaranteed XP support forever, merely 'for now'. Whether that means they're testing in depth for XP breakage and either patching what they can or sticking with an older chromium engine version for XP users that still works, I don't know. But there's a cost in doing whatever it is they're doing, and that's a cost that other chromium-based browser providers may elect to not incur.

    Vista is a similar story, but with lower immediate impact. Its similarities to Win7 mean that much of its functionality will still be covered in chromium code that works for Win7, but that is no guarantee that some unique issues somewhere down the way won't impact browser usage with Vista suddenly or in some particular area. And of course, when Win7 eventually goes unsupported by MS, that means deprecation of Win7 will occur in chromium, and any residual compatibility with Vista will certainly evaporate then as well.

    The key point is that it's problematic to guarantee OS-compatibility of an evolving browser with an operating system that is no longer supported by its maker. 'No support' means there's nobody at the OS maker for the browser makers to call for answers regarding issues that arise when trying to properly interface to an unsupported OS. So either the browser maker must abandon unsupported OS's, test each browser version extensively with the specific unsupported OS each time chromium is updated, write special workarounds for issues that are found to arise, or simply fork the browser to use the last known-compatible chromium version for that unsupported OS until its no longer safe to do so because of growing unpatched chromium issues. All of these choices raise their own issues for a browser maker, and all but the first choice adds cost/risk to the process. Not all makers are willing to do that for the ever-shrinking user market represented by an obsolete OS.

  • The key point is that it's problematic to guarantee OS-compatibility of an evolving browser with an operating system that is no longer supported by its maker.

    Except that Vista is still supported by MS till April 2017 (which is why I'm still using it).

  • April 17/2017 is just ten months away. Then what? Update your OS to a more modern system. I struggle to understand users who insist upon using older systems unless cost is a factor.

  • "an affair to remember" :idea:

    "canadagoose ... People are expressing their opinions as they see fit.

    It's not up to you to determine which comments are "silly" or foolish.

    If someone is using XP and it fulfills their needs, that's their choice, not yours"

    I beg license to use these words as if were mine. What about go to page 1 and take a new view ?

    :idea: :idea:

  • I recently had to work with a PC with Windows XP, I hadn't the permission to upgrade it, but I could change the browser because Chrome now has this banner saying its support will end soon.

    I tried the latest version of Firefox and worked well.

    Idk how much it will take to Mozilla to stop working on Windows XP, but right now it seems like the better choice.

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