OLD IS GOLD, we want new opera with all old stuff
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username342342345 last edited by
The idea to use the blink engine was a good one, they now have google working for them instead of against them. The problem is that they no longer consider customization a priority. I can't say for everyone, but for me the main reason I use opera (12) is because I can customize anything about the browser, from position of the back button, to where and how many search bars, address bars etc. Right now I cannot even get a menu bar to show up in the new version.
Currently IE6 is more customizable than Opera 20.
They need to go back and recreate the drag and drop buttons of the old UI, but I see the current culture at opera is leaning more towards the fisher price walled garden approach than giving people the creative choice to make it their own. I find that really sad.
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iland last edited by
missing features at the moment: customization!
- position the addressbar
- opera wand
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Deleted User last edited by
Currently IE6 is more customizable than Opera 20.
They need to go back and recreate the drag and drop buttons of the old UI, but I see the current culture at opera is leaning more towards the fisher price walled garden approach than giving people the creative choice to make it their own. I find that really sad.It's not going to happen. Some things may be returned but not all. Opera 15+ will never be Opera Presto and users need to get this idea firmly planted. Pesala put a link into another thread which is valuable to read in order to better inform yourself of WHERE Opera is now headed:
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/the-vision-behind-opera-15-and-beyond/
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alreadybanned last edited by
I suppose you use an old washing board to do your laundry, instead of a new automatic.
And you've got a fridge where you put the block of ice in it to keep everything cold.
Use candles and metho lamps to light your house,
and a car that you have to start with a crank handle.
If you want new features and new ways of doing things, you've got to let go of the past.
You use Opera because they come up with new ways of doing things before the others, stop whinging, or go back to internet explorer 4.It's funny you should mention this. I recently had to replace parts for an 11 year old fridge. I have another in my basement for my beer that is over 20 years old and still works flawlessly save for it not being as energy efficient. When I called the manufacturer they said that they only make parts up to 10 years for fridges. I asked why that is seeing that I have one in perfect working order that was much older than that. Her response, "well, they don't make them like they used to." This is something I'm sure most of us have heard before. Bottom line, newer isn't always better. You are not supposed to just "let go of the past", you should learn from it.
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A Former User last edited by
you have to jump through hoops just to do what other browsers do in one click
They were referring to enabling the quick access bar (now bookmarks bar) when it was still an experiment (under development, with bugs, etc, it wasn't meant to be easy at the time) now it's not that hard to enable it. Still, the thing is Opera's philosophy is another one: visual experience for saving and recognizing saved links + real time search of Speed Dial and Stash. Furthermore, that's only one example, I'm pretty sure you can see things that "require 1 click" to do in Opera that requires more/extensions in other browsers. That's just how it is, each browser works differently, has a different workflow, different menus, different ways to do things... -
A Former User last edited by admin
Rafaelluik, I agree with you totally. Having programmed for many, many years (now out of it) there is no reason why what is good in 12-16 can not come back --- and if some things slow down 20 --- let them be options, add-ons or extenstions that a user can choose. See my post 20: Needs "Insert Personal", drag-and-drop-to-desktop & large matrix speed-dial many columns-rows at https://forums.opera.com/topic/2005/20-needs-insert-personal-drag-and-drop-to-desktop-large-matrix-speed-dial-many-columns-rows/2 sorry for name misspelling.
Do you have any idea how to do any of these things? Thanks.
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Deleted User last edited by
Currently IE6 is more customizable than Opera 20.
They need to go back and recreate the drag and drop buttons of the old UI, but I see the current culture at opera is leaning more towards the fisher price walled garden approach than giving people the creative choice to make it their own. I find that really sad.It's not going to happen. Some things may be returned but not all. Opera 15+ will never be Opera Presto and users need to get this idea firmly planted. Pesala put a link into another thread which is valuable to read in order to better inform yourself of WHERE Opera is now headed:
http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/07/the-vision-behind-opera-15-and-beyond/That link is bunk and basically tells us that Opera is heading down the wrong path.
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Deleted User last edited by
There is a reason for this.... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365692,00.asp
Opera should be #1 but it never will be using Chromium.
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havokdan last edited by
There is a reason for this.... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365692,00.asp
Opera should be #1 but it never will be using Chromium.With the presto, certainly would not either.
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A Former User last edited by
There is a reason for this.... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365692,00.asp
Opera should be #1 but it never will be using Chromium.That review in the link does seem quite positive towards Opera. At least with Blink behind Opera it has a chance to gain more popularity and, more importantly, give the Opera team a reason to continue producing a browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
As long as Opera uses Chromium it will fail. There can only be one Google Chrome Browser. For Opera to copy it is a disgrace.
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lem729 last edited by
Thanks for sharing that, cozza. I thought the article was reasonable
although Opera, with its king of speed dials -- is, in my humble opinion, better that the review. On Off-Road mode, they ran some very convoluted websites to test it, and it (Off Road mode) limited the data the browser took in, and Opera performed significantly better than the other browsers. So that mode is a positive feature -- particularly for people with laptops who try to surf on a wifi connection that may not be that strong. Just as an aside, the Opera Browser for Android (Opera 20) also has an Off-Road Mode. -
Deleted User last edited by
As long as Opera uses Chromium it will fail. There can only be one Google Chrome Browser. For Opera to copy it is a disgrace.
Opera is not copying Chrome. The devs are developing their own browser. BElieve it or not they are heading to the right way.
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Deleted User last edited by
Indeed... Opera IS heading in the right direction and will undoubtedly gain new users in the process. A week back Bruce Lawson wrote a nice piece on Opera Blink's first birthday. Catch it here:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/happy-first-birthday-to-blink/
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awzx last edited by
The devs are developing their own browser.
It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.
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Deleted User last edited by
The devs are developing their own browser.
It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.
Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.
First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.
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Deleted User last edited by
The devs are developing their own browser.
It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.
Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.
First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.I must agree with you
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berng last edited by
The devs are developing their own browser.
It doesn't look like they really are. The actual facts show that there is very little to no progress whatsoever with Chropera, just as not a lot of differences between Chrome and Opera 20. Or at least let's say between Opera 20 and Yandex Browser/Coolnovo/Torch/whatever other Chromium-forked browser.
Wrong... but then, why doesn't that surprise me.
First off, there is no Chropera. If I put that into a search engine, nothing substantial comes up other than the crazy imaginings of whiners and complainers. I can find Chrome, Chromium, Safari, Firefox, Seamonkey, Internet Explorer, Opera and several other lesser-known browsers but no Chropera. Sorry... you're mistaken on several counts.Chropera is that word made up by whiners. They think they are so clever when they use "Chropera." The maturity of 3 year olds.
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awzx last edited by
@leushino
there is no Chropera
Sure there is... Chropera is that joke some humorists came up with, the one that tries to look like good old Opera browser and utilize its name yet de-facto has nothin really to do with it. Well maybe that's not Chropera, but sure as hell that's not Opera neither.
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chuckergreg last edited by
I've been using opera for about a decade and a half. I've been an avid spokesman for using it, converting others. Opera has always been about being at the forefront of novel features. I've used the heck out of:
Tabbed browsing (since the onset)
Sessions (this is brilliant) and its associated history
Undo (whoops, didn't mean to close that tab!) - also brilliant
Single-key browsing (why is this off by default in the last releases up to 12!??!!!!)
Right-click "close all but active"
Amazing crash recovery (continue from where I left off)
Efficient memory use (seems to be dead already by Opera 12, though)
Eventually, speed dial.And, of course, this whole time I used bookmarks.
I loved Presto for many reasons but #1 because it wasn't the browser in the cross-hairs of hackers (and wasn't a product of Google).
This new Opera is everything I could possibly hate in a browser and is simply not Opera. It's a disgrace to even call it "Opera". It should be another product name.
I'm stuck on Opera 12 / Presto until either (1) It becomes so grossly incompatible that it's useless for day-to-day work --or-- (2) The new "Opera" adds back in 90% of what made Opera great.
The only thing great really going for me is that a huge amount of sites I visit are, by nature, unlikely to adopt the latest standards and thus will remain compatible with Presto for a long time.
Plain and simple, the new Opera alienates its existing users and makes absolutely no compelling case for anyone else to switch to it. Bringing back the old features like the ones I've listed isn't a "should", it's a "must".
My questions is, does dropping Presto really require dropping all these features? If so, Opera is 5 minutes past flat-lined on a cool day. Either defibrillate Opera 12 before the brain damage sets in, or call it DOA. 'cause right now it's headed straight to hell.
