From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind
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jay1sthill last edited by
Dear Pesala,
my beloved set of 12'16 is getting a bit slow now; I tolerate some old quirks
but definitely will keep sticking to my bunch of shiny "Rolls Royces" in the lot.
I hope desperately they will be maintained, until "20" gets
all the gauges, handles and knobs under the hood a serious working tool deserves IMHO.
For instance: opera:config, bookmarks manager, zoom-slider,
tools to arrange bars and buttons. After all: This is the desktop version.
Of course I appreciate its new, elegant features but fairly not as exchange...
I propose strongly A) plain text towards community and
Opera.com might invent the Donate button.
With dedication and respect: JJH
By the way: I gathered some 800 organized bookmarks, 40 on top and 160 on the SD grid.
Felt blindfolded without 'em
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anystuff last edited by
i was using opera since it`s origin.
have no time to write too much...
...sighing...
ill try to stick with 12.16 as long as itll kept working at least somehow(((
then...
i`ll be on my way to some other browser...
maybe, firefox will learn to deal with RAM.
maybe, chrome will learn something on how to design UI.
maybe, IE ... well, not a chance.anyway, there is absolutely no circumstances i`ll switch to chropera.
RIP, Opera.
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Deleted User last edited by
This useless thread should be locked. It's simply a soapbox for whining and discontent serving no practical purpose.
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alreadybanned last edited by
This useless thread should be locked. It's simply a soapbox for whining and discontent serving no practical purpose.
Discontent is what improves a product, sycophants only serve to speed up it's demise
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Deleted User last edited by
You have no idea (as usual) what you're talking about. Furthermore, if you're going to use a "big word" such as sycophants, at least learn how to spell it correctly.
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A Former User last edited by
Nevertheless, this "rumor" appears to be pretty much plausible to me at the given moment
I already explained that the rumor is false, so please stop spreading it. -
alreadybanned last edited by
1)You have no idea (as usual) what you're talking about. 2)Furthermore, if you're going to use a "big word" such as sycophants, at least learn how to spell it correctly.
1)As usual? My account is just over a week old.
2)It's not a big word(only 3 syllables) and that is how it's spelled
3)How exactly is your failed attempt at discrediting me adding to the conversation? After all, you're the one crying about threads like this. Pot meet kettle.Your tears are salty
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Deleted User last edited by
My main concern is that it seems the devs of opera chrome are actually trying to create negativity by not answering posts about simple basic functionality issues and whatnot, I hope this opera chrome is infact made by the team of the original opera and opera mini and opera mobile (not the mobile chrome version) I mean i like opera and would like to stick with it and more than patient to wait till it can be achieved though I really get the feeling that opera pc users were abandoned but rather than getting bad publicity opera devs decided to act like they were trying to continue but the users gave up on them. I mean why is there no presence on the forum if they actually wanted us to believe that they intend to bring back the feeling of opera into the modern version. If opera chromium is not a priority than why create it to begin with are they just seeing if there is an interest if so why not just say so, there are many dedicated users willing to promote the continuation of opera, was opera bought out by an entity that stands to gain from its demise, kind of like when LorealParis bought out Filmation (producers of heman) and fired all the employees shut down he-man cartoon for good.
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blackbird71 last edited byMy main concern is that it seems the devs of opera chrome are actually trying to create negativity by not answering posts about simple basic functionality issues and whatnot ... I really get the feeling that opera pc users were abandoned but rather than getting bad publicity opera devs decided to act like they were trying to continue but the users gave up on them. I mean why is there no presence on the forum if they actually wanted us to believe that they intend to bring back the feeling of opera into the modern version. If opera chromium is not a priority than why create it to begin with ... was opera bought out by an entity that stands to gain from its demise...
Opera ASA is not a mega-corporation, though it is publicly owned by multiple stockholders. Opera's forums have always been constructed around the concept of users helping other users having Opera browser questions and issues. Opera supplies the forum servers, and sometimes their developers will browse through those threads carrying titles that are relevant to their own expertise areas. But the primary forum "help" and responses come from other Opera users... even most, if not all, the forum mods are volunteers. This leads to several observations:
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Opera developers don't exist to defend Opera strategic decisions. They exist to write code, implement features or bug fixes, and follow corporate strategy.
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Thread/topic titles matter. Don't expect Opera devs to waste time plowing through threads whose sole reason to exist is to ventilate criticism of Opera design decisions made a year or more ago, let alone expect them to respond to such complaints.
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Companies don't make major design revisions on a whim, nor turn their operation directions "on a dime". Whether or not "opera pc users were abandoned" in the decision to shift the desktop browser to the Blink engine, the decision has been made and the browser is being redesigned. Opera is not about to suddenly change their minds about that just because of yet one more endlessly repeated complaint. They will watch the marketplace and how those results interact with their plans and strategies.
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Politeness matters. If one wants to get a point across, then they should politely document it with their reasons and suggestions, then supply it to the appropriate place in the appropriate way. Far too many complaint threads are initiated with just plain nasty, rude, and inflammatory posts, which in turn stimulate the flame wars that are seen to soon break out in nearly every one. Why would any rational developer wish to involve himself in any such thread? It would be an utterly pointless waste of his time, since nothing he could say or do would either reverse the company's decisions nor salve the poster anger and rudeness being demonstrated.
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Developers are neither blind nor stupid. They can understand a reasonably well-stated post, but they may be limited in what they can do to respond to a given complaint or suggestion. They write code and have internal input into Opera's strategies and feature development, but they exist within a universe of other developers each having their own inputs and opinions, and all of them exist within the confines of both corporate strategy and the coding limitations of Opera's chosen major code engines.
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albatros48 last edited by
Excellent comment! Not pleasant for everybody, but reflecting the rules of business....
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Deleted User last edited by
Indeed... an excellent set of observations. Thanks for bringing reason to this discussion, blackbird.
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stormvane last edited by
This is sad.
I've been a huge fan of Opera since 2.x or 3.x or so. (I first used it so I could test compatibility of browsers visiting a website I created back when Netscape 2.0 was brand new)
But last night's Windows XP updates seem to have killed the Opera 12.16 I was running. It repeatedly launched directly into "no longer responding" mode.
So I uninstalled and installed the latest from the Opera website. Ver 20.x
I worked with it for an hour, but with the dawning realization that it has been dumbed down to something I can't even relate to. No more "tweakability", 3/4 of the customizing/settings options are simply gone. Name it... all the reasons I used Opera are just absent. No more integrated email client.... no more... well ... looking around... what is left of Opera here? I reinstalled 12.16 but even a clean install is dead... it won't launch.
So I'm back on Opera 20 and the standalone email client and feeling like I've been abandoned. Opera had it SO right for so many years, now this new interface feels disgusting and tacky and unmanageable, like I've accidentally opened IE or some other pariah browser.
So sad.
Disillusioned in Canada
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Deleted User last edited by
You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)
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stormvane last edited by
The "reality" of this situation is that the user interface/functionality that for many years created a huge fan-base for this product has been pretty much devastated in the new version. All flaming/name-calling belligerence aside, this new product will not retain its oldest and most loyal fans if too many of the reasons for staying with them are missing.
"Cry baby"? Flame on. I never cared about useless content like that. If no one comments about the negative aspects of change, then the impression may remain that it is all good, and everyone will be surprised by an unexplained exodus.
(sigh)
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A Former User last edited by
Windows XP is going to be abandoned by Microsoft in April, leaving all XP users with the option to upgrade or face a gradual decline of usability on their out-of-date Operating System. It was released in October 2001, so we have had our money's worth.
I already updated to Windows 7, seeing that it was inevitable.
Thank you again to Blackbird for bringing some sanity to these forums, but his wisdom will be wasted on many. It is much easier to say, “Stop whining, it's not going to change,” and leave the cry-babies to deal with it.
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fluxrev last edited by
They simply refuse to accept reality.
As I've indicated before, I completely agree with you and blackbird71 about the "reality", but I believe that your conclusion is flawed, for two reasons. One, many of the posters whom you're referring to do not accept that you and others who explain this "reality" actually know more about it than they do. For people who know certain things about the world of business and have been around the block a few times, the version of "reality" described by you and blackbird71 seems, if not absolutely incontrovertible, very compelling. But not everyone posting here has those qualifications, and for many if not all of those people, it's not a question of "accepting reality"; rather, it's a question of not having the knowledge and experience to recognize a compelling explanation when they see one. Two, people are driven primarily by emotion and only secondarily by fact/reason, and one of the main reasons people come here is simply to have whatever satisfaction can be gained by expressing their dissatisfaction on an Internet forum. To say that these posters are not "accepting reality" misses the point: they're disappointed,frustrated, and annoyed — a reaction that Opera ASA has brought upon themselves by the way they've chosen to handle both the rollout of Opera Blink and the increasingly unhelpful forum experience — and they want to express that, regardless of whether it actually has any effect on the development path of the Opera Blink browser. That is a "reality" that you have not apparently yet accepted.
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awzx last edited by
You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)
Since the reality--which is that Opera is basically dead--is quite bitter, it is pretty much expectable that some folks still refuse to accept it. And it's not much to blame or judge for if you ask me.
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blackbird71 last edited by
They simply refuse to accept reality.
As I've indicated before, I completely agree with you and blackbird71 about the "reality", but I believe that your conclusion is flawed, for two reasons. One, many of the posters whom you're referring to do not accept that you and others who explain this "reality" actually know more about it than they do. ... Two, people are driven primarily by emotion and only secondarily by fact/reason, and one of the main reasons people come here is simply to have whatever satisfaction can be gained by expressing their dissatisfaction on an Internet forum. ...
Your observations have much validity. But why I sometimes try patiently, and at such length in posts of this kind, is for the very reason of explaining the "why" of things, so that others might better understand "reality". If nobody explains it occasionally, how are they to learn? At least this way, they will have had the facts and explanations laid before them. Whether they then get their "emotions" under control and accept the current reality (unpleasant though it might be) is up to them, of course. But not accepting and dealing constructively with reality is a sure path to discontent and unhappiness.
As I've posted before, I'm not happy with certain aspects of the Blink Opera releases to date, though I know others who are. But I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the developers and to Opera, in terms of waiting to see what features and configurability improvements ultimately emerge. I've used Opera for many years, at little or no cost to me... Opera's Presto browsers were often superb - though not always, and not without some real turmoil along the way. Given all that, I feel I owe Opera some patience to see where they eventually take their Blink implementation. Perhaps they'll finally "get there" for what I personally need in a browser; perhaps not. But life will still go on. If the browser doesn't evolve in "my" direction, there are always other browsers.
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alreadybanned last edited by
You see, Blackbird, how your message goes right over the heads of the cry babies? They simply refuse to accept reality. (sigh)
What I see is someone who incessantly cries about people they label cry babies.
Blackbirds post seems to have gone over your head as well because I (once again) fail to see how your rhetoric assists someone who is having difficulty upgrading now that their xp install is giving them problems.
(sigh)
