opera 20 vs Chrome
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biggerabalone last edited by
while you may not want people knowing you're an employee
I'm not an Opera Software employee. And if I was it wouldn't bring any problem to this discussion as that wouldn't change the veracity of anything I said. The fact is you have no more arguments against my assertions other than "it's better to give up because Google is all-powerful" then YOU rely on failed claims that I'm paid to post here.
What I said about slavery was just an example and not meant to be an analogy.
But thanks for your addition to this topic @grandadmiralthrawn, as putting convenience over ideals is really a serious problem in the world today in various areas not just IT, now wait a little and @biggerabalone will start calling you an Opera employee.
they're in bed with someone who's business interests are adversarial to them. what happens if google decides to turn off the taps?
First, those search engine deals don't strengthen Google's NaCl plans.
Second, Amazon is already a global partner. Yandex is already a partner in CIS. Either Bing or Yahoo! would pay to be the new global partners for default search engine. Don't forget that Opera earns money from various other sources like partner Speed Dials, deals with mobile operators (Web Pass, Rocket Optimizer, etc), TV Store, Opera Media Works and soon Opera Max. And Mozilla is diversifying more their revenue sources too with the Directory Tiles.
Google spends whopping great amounts of money to get people to use Chrome. I have to wonder why. Everybody should.
Sigh, what's missing in this topic is the reason why anyone should use Chrome instead of Opera (apart from classic bookmarks manager/menu and sync ATM).defensive about the employee assertion, huh. must have struck a cord. my reference is almost a 4 page admission on your part. or that you have more posts than the moderator. or that your topics are usually concerned with voting competitions somewhere on the web for which browser is the best - and you want us to vote for opera (those are employee postings usually), or that you have unnaturally geeky insider knowledge concerning opera's inner workings (whether pc, phone, etc), or that you don't believe that opera 10 years ago was better than it is now. i could go on, but anyone who reads my reference can plainly see it. if i'm wrong ... i feel sorry for you, you should really get a life.
you missed the point on the search engines.
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Deleted User last edited by
Raphael, the man is a known troll. The best advice I can give you (as well as myself) is to not feed him. He craves attention and gets it by bad-mouthing Opera. Why he is here is anyone's guess since he clearly does not belong. We desperately need an IGNORE button so we can relegate trolls like these to cyber non-existence.
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A Former User last edited by
Chrome is a finished and working browser while Opera Chrome isn't, its been released as one when the truth is Opera 12 should have been updated while working on the Opera Chrome Alpha
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Deleted User last edited by
Their resources are limited so updating a dead browser is no longer an option. Chrome is produced by an evil company... a company whose attitude towards your privacy is cavalier at best. I would not have that browser anywhere near my system. I'll stick with Opera 20. It does exactly what I need it to do and it does it well.
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A Former User last edited by
There are enough posts in this topic for people to read through and understand the things I'm talking about, and these have nothing to do with whether I'm an employee or not.
But LOL, just because I figure out things and post my bets and assumptions based on publicly available info I "have unnaturally geeky insider knowledge concerning opera's inner workings" and therefore I'm an employee... If I inform people there's a contest somewhere for us to vote (and of course for Opera since these are the Opera forums if you haven't noticed yet) that means I'm an Opera employee and not just a supporter. I could go on...
What's funny is I post feature requests or disagree with some things they say/intend to/implement in these forums and Opera blogs myself. If I was an employee I wouldn't need to do that, you can't see any employee doing that. I'd be certainly advised to not do that actually, since these discussions are meant to be internal. -
Deleted User last edited by
Whenever someone is complaining, he/she does not want to hear anything to the contrary. Therefore, anyone who has the audacity to support Opera's new browser must therefore become a shill or a paid employee. They've been using this tactic since last July and while it's amusing, it's also wearing a bit thin.
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blackbird71 last edited byI've always looked with some amazement at the energy and intensity of the fights (or even riots) that sometimes ensue at Soccer matches and American football games... that is, the fights in the stands or the parking lots. The people almost always involved are simply "fans" - observers, not players. While the fans may have paid for their tickets, they're not the ones taking the hits out on the field or whose salaries depend on performance and winning, they simply derive enjoyment from watching the game when it involves "their" team.
Opera is a free web browser, one of many free web browsers available today. In past versions, it offered a variety of configurability and performance attributes, as well as some limitations, with regard to web viewing. In the latest versions, those have all changed, and users have noticed, myself among them. User reactions, as expressed in the forums, have varied from supportive to opposing, and the intensity of the reactions has ranged from mild up to extreme.
What amazes me, however, is the white-hot intensity of the reactions sometimes expressed in the forums. With the fact firmly in sight that Opera is only one of many free browsers, costing users absolutely nothing, what is there that stimulates the harsh rhetoric, the exaggeration, the end-of-world desperation, the personal attacks on anyone disagreeing, the seeming sense of betrayal, and the angry outbursts between posters - even to the point in some threads of obscenity-laced 'yelling' at one another - all over a free web browser?
Like other users, I've felt the inconvenience/frustration of lost (but important-to-me) Old Opera features and adjustability in New Opera. So, after a time of patiently waiting and making (I hope) level-headed suggestions to Opera in forums and blogs, I trialed a number of other browser flavors and selected one to use for my primary browsing, retaining Opera 12 as a secondary or backup browser. Eventually, if Opera's new design evolves sufficiently toward my personal needs and preferences, I may migrate back to New Opera... if not, life will still go on, for both Opera and for me.
But when I read some of the angry rhetoric in forum posts, I find myself asking out loud: "Why??? It's only a web browser, and a free one at that!" I'm still groping for an answer...
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lem729 last edited by
leushino: You're concerned about the aesthetics of the wallpaper being covered by speed dial folders?
YES, ABSOLUTELY. And what the hell is the point of giving us the right to use wallpaper or to set our own wallpaper for the speed dial if we can't make browser interface attractive to us. Are other things important too in terms of the browser. Of course. But don't dismiss other people's comments, just because you don't care about aesthetics. I do!
Now do I like the Opera Speed dial? Yes, I do. And I think the folder concept is great. But I also think it wouldn't hurt but would help to give an option for the user to set up a separate page or two. I mean, we have people who have hundreds of bookmarks and/or bookmark folders. They might find a good use for the extra pages.
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Deleted User last edited by
But when I read some of the angry rhetoric in forum posts, I find myself asking out loud: "Why??? It's only a web browser, and a free one at that!" I'm still groping for an answer...
Hard to say but my guesses would include a "sense of entitlement." Many users have this sense in which they believe Opera "owes" them the browser of their choice. And if it is not delivered right down to the color of the frames, well then, Opera becomes an unthinking, uncaring, ungrateful company that will surely die. We've seen this "entitlement" behavior demonstrated over the dismantling of the former MyOpera Community. For many years Opera provided this community free of charge along with all the services that it entailed. And what thanks did it get? Nadda! Only vehement, obscenity-laced posts of angry users. It's a curious thing but it's becoming increasingly predictable in this selfish generation in which we live. Very sad commentary on our times.
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berng last edited by
What amazes me, however, is the white-hot intensity of the reactions sometimes expressed in the forums. With the fact firmly in sight that Opera is only one of many free browsers, costing users absolutely nothing, what is there that stimulates the harsh rhetoric, the exaggeration, the end-of-world desperation, the personal attacks on anyone disagreeing, the seeming sense of betrayal, and the angry outbursts between posters - even to the point in some threads of obscenity-laced 'yelling' at one another - all over a free web browser?
The posts on this forum can be used as the basis for a few doctoral theses in psychology.
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alica last edited by
Opera Link just isn't implemented in the newest stable version yet.
Yes, not yet. There has been ONE year since Opera's initial transition announcement, but to date Link support is still not provided in these Opera 15+ version bumps. I don't know when will they ship Opera with link support; maybe Opera 22, maybe Opera 42, or maybe never?While not relating with this forum, Opera for Linux is in a similar situation; no definite words of "drop support" or "(supposed) release schedule" is given. Maybe the dev team shall be more clear on this.
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A Former User last edited by
Yes, not yet. There has been ONE year since Opera's initial transition announcement, but to date Link support is still not provided in these Opera 15+ version bumps.
Link is provided in experimental state since Opera 19.I know but it takes time, I mean, it's normal. I miss it a lot too but I see that they have to work on a lot of other things and not only Opera Link. And when we compare to Opera Presto it's understandable:
Opera 9.1 was released in December 18, 2006. Then first Opera alpha build with Opera Link (9.5) has been released on September 4, 2007 (9.2 comes here in the middle) and the 9.5 final version came in June 12, 2008. That's +-18 months for a feature to come from "scratch" to final. Now for 15+ they're rewriting almost the whole UI from scratch and implementing many different things up to Opera 21 and it hasn't been a year.
With all the other extension APIs they're implementing in each new version we can figure out they can't simply copy the code from Chromium and have it there enabled instantly (otherwise everything would be working in 15.0 already), and more so with things implemented differently from Chromium (the mechanisms for Speed Dials, Stash, etc) I suppose the server-side and client-side sync code couldn't be simply copied from Chromium (needless to say they can't just copy from Presto either).
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Deleted User last edited by
I had no idea it took that long to implement Link back then. Thanks for the information.
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alica last edited by
Sorry for my fault for not noticing the opera:flags option, but the Link feature currently provided does not include bookmarks, which is my most used portion inside Opera Link. Only able to access my bookmarks through link.opera.com is not an option to me.
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vinczej last edited by
I have these reasons, why I prefer Opera over Chrome:
- Speed Dial packages, more usability
- Closing last tab doesn't close browser
- I can use both Opera extensions and Chrome extensions
And of course I'm waiting for classic Opera features
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Deleted User last edited by
The current Opera browser is Opera in name only. Though I use it anyway.
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juliestiles last edited by
There are enough posts in this topic for people to read through and understand the things I'm talking about, and these have nothing to do with whether I'm an employee or not.
But LOL, just because I figure out things and post my bets and assumptions based on publicly available info I "have unnaturally geeky insider knowledge concerning opera's inner workings" and therefore I'm an employee... If I inform people there's a contest somewhere for us to vote (and of course for Opera since these are the Opera forums if you haven't noticed yet) that means I'm an Opera employee and not just a supporter. I could go on...
What's funny is I post feature requests or disagree with some things they say/intend to/implement in these forums and Opera blogs myself. If I was an employee I wouldn't need to do that, you can't see any employee doing that. I'd be certainly advised to not do that actually, since these discussions are meant to be internal.You really do seem to be a worker. Who says "these have nothing to do with whether I'm an employee or not"? It's like your evasive or something. Your a little jerky in a lot of your posts so maybe that's why you hide it I guess? I mean you did really say his children were dumb and for no reason. Just as long as people know your doing so on your time and not Opera's time. See.
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blackbird71 last edited by
You really do seem to be a worker. ... It's like your evasive or something. ... so maybe that's why you hide it I guess? ... Just as long as people know your doing so on your time and not Opera's time.
@rafaelluik stated a few posts up: "I'm not an Opera Software employee." It can hardly be stated any more clearly, and either you believe him or you are calling him a liar. This entire business of innuendo and nagging character-assassination is out of place in a rational discussion. Whether the points a person makes come from the perspective of one who is an Opera employee, an Opera "loyalist", a "neutral" user, or an Opera critic ought not to impact the validity (or lack of same) and the genuine facts (or lack) in what they're saying. Their comments should stand on their own, and be addressed as such, not responded to with ad-hominem attacks on the person making the comments.
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4o3werfsfjsdlkq234we last edited by
rafaelluik;
The thing (for me at least) is not that it have functions that isn't available in Chrome. The things that make me feel that it is a copy of Chrome is the design and functions which seem to have been made to look like Chrome. Sure, Opera 21 might have some unique functions. But still Opera have made many functions work like Chrome and that is why I think why Opera 21 feels like Chrome.Also, Opera have deleted many different functions in the last updates which Chrome didn't really have or at least not as good functions. Why?
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lem729 last edited by admin
State the feature you're concerned about. What are the functions that you believe Opera deleted and that you want. That might help. Perhaps the feature is there or one can help you find it via extension.. Posting generalizations help no one address your concern. On looks/appearance, what is it they say: you can't judge a book by it's cover, though I think the speak dial look of Opera 21(with its folders and background wallpaper) is awesome and unique. In any event, Chrome is not all a loss. It has some/many features that people like. It's isn't a popular browser for no reason. It's sort of browser assassination to deride something because it has a feature/or features Chrome has. In any event, Opera has features that clearly distinguish it from Chrome. As to what Opera had before, the new Opera browser is faster, has better access to a wider range of sites. Further the new Opera gives the user huge customization possibilities through Opera extensions, and also Chrome extensions. See discussion (perhaps you missed it) by rafaelluik in this thread on key features distinguishing the new Opera from Chrome: https://forums.opera.com/post/31150
