Why did opera change to chrome engine?
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by bjdobson:
Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?
Don't tempt me
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sherool last edited by
The rendering engine is absolutely fine, and frankly better than the old one. Using Opera 12 is starting to get painful I run into more and more sites that just flat out tell me my browser is outdated, and if I spoof the user agent they rely don't work properly.
The absolute gutting of every single useful feature other than rendering web pages is what I don't like. Just upgraded this one to 18 and STILL not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back. Gaaah! Loosing - patience - fast.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by sherool:
not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.
This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.
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mortenoslash last edited by
I miss the opportunity to move the tab bar to the bottom of the window. (I have two monitors, and usually have the browser in the upper monitor.)
I miss the opportunity to add buttons and functions to the address bar and to toolbars. (I frequently use some of the advanced functions of the browser.)
I miss the favourites/bookmarks, and I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.)
I miss being able to turn on the showing of the page size in the title bar.
I miss a real status bar.Other than that, the Blink seems OK, though I should like someone to make a skinn in classical Win9x style.
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sherool last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by sherool:
not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.
This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.
Rely? They sure are hiding it well then. I find absolutely no option anywhere to even display a quick access bar...
Ok found it. A hidden experimental feature apparently, but ok I'll concede that it's there if you know where to look. Not at all obvious for anyone who just open the thing up to check what is new, but some light at the end of the tunnel at least.
Anyone else who has just been "casually" looking at the new versions opera:flags is where you need to look for "advanced" stuff apparently.
[Edit:] It's still kinda useless though, yeah stuff you put on the quick access bar is there, but still can't access anything else. Would have to work around it by putting all bookmarks in a new folder and add it to the quick bar I guess (but no tools to do that in the new version, so will have to do it in 12X and re-import). Still boggles the mind that it's taking so long to get basic stuff like bookmarks to a usable level (yeah yeah I know they don't care about us old-fashioned people).
Importing as speed dial folders seem to be the best option so far, but still feels very clunky with large folders, search helps though, maybe possible to get used to it...
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by sherool:
no tools to do that in the new version
Just Drag and Drop bookmarks and folders to move them around. Sort alphabetically to organise them.
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.
You can delete all of the speed dials if you want. The search engine can be removed in Opera 19.
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sherool last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by sherool:
no tools to do that in the new version
Just Drag and Drop bookmarks and folders to move them around. Sort alphabetically to organise them.
Yeah I meant if I want to see stuff in the "root" bookmarks folder it doesn't show up.
I see there is an option to import stuff into the quick access bar, but I have not organized everything neatly into folders so adding a few hundred individual bookmarks straight onto the quick access bar and then drag each one around individually would be a major hassle (my fault for being disorganized though). Organizing it first in an older version and then just importing the folders seems like a workable solution though.
Guess I'll spend a bit of time and see what I can do with it.
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mortenoslash last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.
You can delete all of the speed dials if you want.
I tried to do that, but still the box for adding speed dials remains, I am afraid.
Edit: ... and the Stash and Discover are still there too.
Originally posted by Pesala:
The search engine can be removed in Opera 19.
One more step to a truly empty tab. I will look forward to that.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by bjdobson:
Okay, call me stupid but WHAT are Opera Blink and Opera Presto?
Don't tempt me
Opera BlinkYour constant UN-answers and putdowns are getting tiresome, Pesala.
I know how to Google. I wanted an answer from someone who USED them. Too bad you just can't seem to understand that.
BOOKMARKS: There is a way to use a Chrome tool to have a bookmarks bar but it's definitely NOT the same as having the old bookmarks bar and requires a LOT more work.
You are not the end all and be all, Pesala. Some of us DO NOT LIKE the new way bookmarks MUST be used and wish a more convenient, easy way to do it, especially when you have HUNDREDS of bookmarks, like a lot of us do.
Try to be constructive, Pesala, in your answers, please. That would be very helpful
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by bjdobson:
Try to be constructive, Pesala, in your answers, please. That would be very helpful
My replies are always constructive, if rather irritating to lazy users. I did your work for you in finding info about Opera Blink, and showed you how to find information on the Web in the process. Your constant complaining on this forum is not helpful to anyone — in fact, it's really quite disruptive. When offered explanations, such as how to search with other search engines from the address bar, instead of complaining yet again and making snide comments elsewhere about dismissive remarks, acknowledge the help given, and use the tips provided for a while to see if they work for you. No one can tell you how to enable features that do not exist yet, so complaining at other users about it is only "biting the hand that feeds."
Originally posted by bjdobson:
There is a way to use a Chrome tool to have a bookmarks bar but it's definitely NOT the same as having the old bookmarks bar and requires a LOT more work.
The Quick Access Bar is almost identical to the old Bookmarks Bar, and even better in that it supports D&D.
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mortenoslash last edited by
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
I miss the opportunity to move the tab bar to the bottom of the window. (I have two monitors, and usually have the browser in the upper monitor.)
I miss the opportunity to add buttons and functions to the address bar and to toolbars. (I frequently use some of the advanced functions of the browser.)
I miss the favourites/bookmarks, and I hate the speed dial and want to turn it of like you could on Presto. (I would rather have my new tabs completely empty.)
I miss being able to turn on the showing of the page size in the title bar.
I miss a real status bar.Other than that, the Blink seems OK, though I should like someone to make a skinn in classical Win9x style.
… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)
Me, too. I have several customized buttons I use ALL THE TIME that I really would miss if I were to go to Opera 18 or 19.
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sherool last edited by
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)
Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by sherool:
Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.
Really?????
Awesome!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
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mortenoslash last edited by
Originally posted by sherool:
Originally posted by MortenOSlash:
… and I miss the back button one could add (or replace with the existing back button) with a pulldown menu to go several steps back in one go. Practical for sites that often spins you forward a step or two when you follow a link. (I have not found any such on Opera 18)
Just keep the mouse button pressed down for about a second when clicking on the back button and said menu will appear.
This is like Christmas Day and Easter Morning in one go! Simple way to avoid the frustrations! I like it! Thank you!
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kesetrum last edited by
Originally posted by wubo058:
I love presto
So Do I, as a html/css coder.
Right click, and disable certain script or covering header identification (mask as... Opera/IE/etc)...
I missed that feature on Presto. -
mortenoslash last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by sherool:
not even basic stuff like bookmarks are back.
This complaint is getting beyond tiresome, please search before posting. Bookmarks have been available in the Quick Access Bar for several versions now. It is even called the Bookmarks Bar again in Opera 19. Lots of features are still missing, but some have returned. Custom search engines, draggable tabs, and themes to mention just a few.
I am quite sure that a couple of months ago I could drag a speed dial entry up and drop it in my quick access bar on Opera 18, but now it does not seem to work? Is there something I have forgotten?
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
The Quick Access Bar is almost identical to the old Bookmarks Bar, and even better in that it supports D&D.
is not the same :S To add a new folder, you need to add it at "root" level in the bar, then move it to where it belongs xD its frustrating and that should be done before you try to add the new bookmark. :S
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by miniramleela:
I don't care what the underlying code is, end result is that the functionality should be maintained nothing else.
But we do care about the code or engine, and quite a lot too. One of old Opera’s strongest points is its security, since hackers consider its user base not worth their effort. But they're a lot keener to attack a widely used engine like Chromium and would have taken the trouble to learn it well too.
Getting back to the main topic of “Why did opera change to chrome engine?” my guess is that they weren't succeeding in gaining market share with the old Opera, while popular sites gradually stopped supporting it.
Indeed, site compatibility is for me its greatest weakness. If they could solve that, they'd have easily the best browser on the planet.
But my feeling about the new version is that if Opera users wanted Chrome, they'd be using Google’s Chrome, not Opera. Furthermore, this makes me apprehensive about new Opera’s potential for success.
At the same time, they seem to have stopped updating the old Opera, thus speeding its abandonment. Unfortunately for us hardcore Opera users, the sad end to another era is approaching.
