Is the new Opera 20 still garbage or have they implemented the 12.16 features again?
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Deleted User last edited by
It's not necessary to use opera:flags now. Just go into Settings and enable it there.
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muzzwold last edited by
I went backwards from Opera 18 to Opera 12.16.
Have been pleased with it, especially the notes, bookmarks and speed dial synchronisation with Opera Link.
Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.
Chrome and Firefox annoy me with constant download updates. As I use mobile broadband/wifi exclusively, such constant background downloads really become a problem.
I thank julianmolan for starting this thread. It's valid!
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shiranaihito last edited by
opera lacks the privacy concerns associated with chrome
Except that Opera contacts Google's DNS server on every reques you make, thus letting Google see and record every single web page you visit. How's that for a privacy concern? -They're doing this for money, of course. Opera is a free browser, but just like with all free products, the actual product is you.
s it worth going back to Opera again after they decided to betray the user base and instead go for quick money with the Chrome engine?
No, it's not. The new Opera is basically Chrome's crippled bastard-child. Mouse gestures are missing (can't open a link in a new tab, for example - a crucial gesture), and the rocker gestures are finicky to the point of being unuseable.
I wouldn't say they decided to "go for quick money with the Chrome engine" though - more like, they decided to burn their house down. Judging by some of the comments here, Opera apologists make up the majority of their user base now.
I have Opera 20 and no bookmarks bar. Any suggestions?
Switch to Firefox, I guess.. That's my plan for now. Life without the glorious browser perfection that was Opera 12 will be extremely annoying, but since it's just crashing way too often on Mavericks, I guess I'll have to give up and abandon ship.
Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.
The sad reality here is that a better solution just might not come along. The vast majority of people just lap up whatever shit they're fed, as evidenced by every browser other than Opera (until v12). I mean, how the hell is it 2014 and Opera still the only browser that ever had native mouse gestures?! Why can't people see what a massive productivity improvement they are?! .. It's because they're blind, and not in the habit of independent thinking.
When Chrome came out, it had two features: 1) Renders web pages, 2) Is fast. -And hordes of nerds rushed into Google's open arms and sang Chrome's praises, apparently with just about zero requirements for a primary web browser. That's just insane, but that's what people are like. They have no clue.
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Deleted User last edited by
The sad reality here is that some of the complainers and whiners from the old forum are still here whining and complaining as before. Look... if you want to stay with the older Presto version... STAY WITH IT. But recognize a few things: 1) it will become increasingly incompatible; 2) it will become, over time, increasingly insecure; 3) it is NOT going to be further developed in spite of your threats, complaints, bullying tactics and demeaning comments about the Opera Team; and 4) the source code will NOT be released since it is part of Opera's intellectual property.
So, make a decision and move forward. Accept the decision that was made over a year ago. Opera is not going to reverse its course. The new browser is awesome and will only get better as new and some former features are added. Choose the new browser... stay with the old browser... choose another browser... but STOP already with the ridiculous complaints and whines.
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jito463 last edited by
I see leushino is still here, vigorously defending Chropera and demeaning those who recognize it for what it is; namely the slow demise of a once great browser.
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blackbird71 last edited byopera lacks the privacy concerns associated with chrome
Except that Opera contacts Google's DNS server on every reques you make, thus letting Google see and record every single web page you visit. How's that for a privacy concern? -They're doing this for money, of course. Opera is a free browser, but just like with all free products, the actual product is you.
So what "free" DNS server should one trust in that regard, particularly when considering that the service has to pay their operating expenses somehow? How much do most people really know about what any DNS service does with the routing information they see?
Will stick with Opera 12.16 until a better solution comes along.
The sad reality here is that a better solution just might not come along. The vast majority of people just lap up whatever shit they're fed, as evidenced by every browser other than Opera (until v12). I mean, how the hell is it 2014 and Opera still the only browser that ever had native mouse gestures?! Why can't people see what a massive productivity improvement they are?! .. It's because they're blind, and not in the habit of independent thinking.
Or it might just be they don't like mouse gestures. I've used opera for many years and can't abide gestures - in fact, I've gone out of my way to block "mouse flips" as well. I prefer not to have inadvertent mouse movements trigger unexpected actions, in Opera or anything else. The reality is that users don't all think alike on some issues, but many of us (myself at times included) tend to assume our thoughts and preferences are shared by most others, even though we may actually be in a decided minority.
OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8
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jito463 last edited by
Or it might just be they don't like mouse gestures. I've used opera for many years and can't abide gestures - in fact, I've gone out of my way to block "mouse flips" as well. I prefer not to have inadvertent mouse movements trigger unexpected actions, in Opera or anything else. The reality is that users don't all think alike on some issues, but many of us (myself at times included) tend to assume our thoughts and preferences are shared by most others, even though we may actually be in a decided minority.
OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8
I've always disabled mouse gestures, as well. With the exception of flip-forward/flip-backward. I use that so often, it's to the point of instinct. Regardless of the browser, my first impulse is to use the mouse keys to "flip-backward" to a previous page. Sometimes I remember before trying, other times I'll try and then remember, "oh, yeah, this isn't Opera". The rest of the gestures, however, I find annoying and intrusive. So I disable them. Then again, that's part of what made Opera v12 and earlier so great. One person could have their gestures, while another could get rid of them. Flexibility in the configuration of the browser was the best part.
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blackbird71 last edited by
... that's part of what made Opera v12 and earlier so great. One person could have their gestures, while another could get rid of them. Flexibility in the configuration of the browser was the best part.
And that's what I now find that I miss most in the newer Opera versions thus far, as well as in many other (but not all) browser flavors out there: practical and comprehensive configurability, which of course implies they have to contain useful things to configure in the first place. But then, maybe this is just another area where my thoughts aren't dominant in the marketplace any longer...
OS: Win 7-64 SP1 -- Web Browsers: Opera 12.14u, 11.52; Firefox 27; Qupzilla 1.4.2; IE8
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Deleted User last edited by
I see leushino is still here, vigorously defending Chropera and demeaning those who recognize it for what it is; namely the slow demise of a once great browser.
And what, exactly, is the point of the few whiners continuing to lambaste Opera and label it with silly, juvenile names? You don't like to new browser? Tough. Go use another browser OR use the older Presto version but you (and those like you), in fact, are the one who is out of place here. The forum is supposed to help people with their browser instead of trying to turn it into some whine-fest. Really? What is your point? I like the new version of Opera. I'm here to help if I can and to learn. Why are YOU here?
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rumpeltizkin last edited by
Whatever you say, Opera is NOW garbage. I'm a Opera user since 6.5 version and i've never been as much deceived as I am now seeing what they have done to Opera, the once best browser of all times.
I really BEG them to give opera the functionalities it had before the cursed change. I like Chrome but IT DOES NOT MEAN I like Opera to be like Chrome. Chrome is Chrome and Opera is Opera. Presto is the best web engine I've seen, way faster than webkit.
I'm tired of people always agreeing to any project that means "be next gen". If you do not have a Facebook account you mean you're an idiot? whether you do not have an Iphone means that you're a looser? how pathetic...Opera needs to be Opera again, independently what Google does with his browser or if it has integrated a Facebook plugin or not, I DO NOT CARE. I just need a fast browser with plenty of options which took THAT MUCH time to get to the best browser I've ever seen.
Nothing more to comment. If you agree, it's ok, if you do not, don't try to convince the rest of the people with senseless arguments. Anything to say against the old Opera is meaningless.
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A Former User last edited by
Very liked in Opera that there could copy the link as text!
You can still do that, but it is tricky. Click your mouse just outside the link, above or below for example, then down into the link and left or right to include the text. Not as smooth as the old version, but easier than typing the text you want to copy or search.
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Deleted User last edited by
If you agree, it's ok, if you do not, don't try to convince the rest of the people with senseless arguments. Anything to say against the old Opera is meaningless.
Of course one could also make the polar opposite comment. "Don't try to convince the rest of the people here on the forum with senseless arguments that the new Opera isn't worth installing. Anything to say against the new Opera is relatively meaningless" SINCE it is a project still being developed AND it isn't even a year old. Can you not see that arguments against the new and for the old are meaningless? Do you honestly believe Opera is going to reverse itself at this point? Come on.. THINK. There is no point in calling Opera names and complaining. If you want to see features added, do so in a respectful manner in the appropriate forum.
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luxor last edited byThe sad reality here is that some of the complainers and whiners from the old forum are still here whining and complaining as before.
And the trolls like yourself are still trolling.
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Deleted User last edited by
Installed Opera 20 and deinstalled. Opera 11.64 still works well if I exclude couple of sites for which I use Chrome.
I am still hoping nextgen Opera would become browser as the old one was. I used it since Opera 4.0.5.
I also see that all old opera forums and messages are history...
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arkenighte last edited by
Can you not see that arguments against the new and for the old are meaningless?
As opposed to arguing against the old and for the new? What are you accomplishing here that's turned out any more fruitful than the posts of those you belittle? You're trying to extinguish a fire with gasoline. You're only expanding quarrels. You can't help with people's frustration when a) you're not its source and have no influence over that source b) act so aggressively you become a new source of argument and frustration yourself.
Maybe in an alternate dimension you can solve arguments by making everyone see things your way which simply requires you to describe your perspective, but as you've surely found out by now it doesn't work in this one.
I don't see how any of this helps the Opera team you're trying to defend so much. So if you really want to support them, try something else, this isn't working.
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snyde1 last edited by
As @leushino is so strongly recommending, I will stay with 12.16.
The email and RSS/Atom reader is fully divorced from the browser, bookmarks are gone, I can't switch between tabs with the mouse wheel (and yes, mouse gestures are important to some of us).
Features like user scripts and downloads are present across browsers, but have changed somewhat in ways I find disconcerting. The spell check seems to work well. I've not used Dragonfly much in the new version. (It looks like it has all the "stuff", but some things like autoselecting items from the browser just don't work right.)
There are a number of Chrome-isms that I dislike, such as the large number of process threads it spawns.
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Deleted User last edited by
Keep yourself informed instead of starting inflammatory threads. The new Opera is great. The old Opera was increasingly problematic. If you want you can continue to use the old Opera since security updates are still be applied. In the meantime, stop trying to stir up trouble.
How is he stirring trouble by stating the truth?? I dont get it! The general consensus feels that the new Opera sucks. How is that fact so trouble-making? I personally use Opera 11.52. To me, its the best browser ABOVE ALL NEW versions thereafter. I personally tried Opera 20 and its a disaster. Why did they mess up such a beautifully crafted browser only to make it look like Chrode? If anyone wants Chrode they can just download it. Theres no reason whatsoever to dismantle what was once the best browser on earth to make it like Chrode.
As a reminder, have you been watching the stats on browsers? I've been sitting here watching sadly how Opera has fallen in popularity since they transformed it into Chrode. Years ago before this mess, Opera was actually inching up some popularity; not much but much more so than now.
I think we should voice our opinion about the way Opera sucks now. Without that voice, how are the devs going to know how bad Opera is? I'm an outspoken dude. And I say Opera sucks!!!
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fungi-lives last edited by
julianmolin:
Is it worth going back to Opera again after they decided to betray the user base and instead go for quick money with the Chrome engine?Have they managed to make it into anything even remotely similar to 12.16? Is there any reason to use Opera over Chrome, Firefox, IE or Maxthon?
Thanks in advance,
--An old Opera user who abandoned the sinking ship
leushino:
"Keep yourself informed instead of starting inflammatory threads. The new Opera is great. The old Opera was increasingly problematic. If you want you can continue to use the old Opera since security updates are still be applied. In the meantime, stop trying to stir up trouble.""It's not necessary to use opera:flags now. Just go into Settings and enable it there."
"The sad reality here is that some of the complainers and whiners from the old forum are still here whining and complaining as before. Look... if you want to stay with the older Presto version... STAY WITH IT. But recognize a few things: 1) it will become increasingly incompatible; 2) it will become, over time, increasingly insecure; 3) it is NOT going to be further developed in spite of your threats, complaints, bullying tactics and demeaning comments about the Opera Team; and 4) the source code will NOT be released since it is part of Opera's intellectual property."
"So, make a decision and move forward. Accept the decision that was made over a year ago. Opera is not going to reverse its course. The new browser is awesome and will only get better as new and some former features are added. Choose the new browser... stay with the old browser... choose another browser... but STOP already with the ridiculous complaints and whines."
"Of course one could also make the polar opposite comment. "Don't try to convince the rest of the people here on the forum with senseless arguments that the new Opera isn't worth installing. Anything to say against the new Opera is relatively meaningless" SINCE it is a project still being developed AND it isn't even a year old. Can you not see that arguments against the new and for the old are meaningless? Do you honestly believe Opera is going to reverse itself at this point? Come on.. THINK. There is no point in calling Opera names and complaining. If you want to see features added, do so in a respectful manner in the appropriate forum."
I've been using Opera for many, many years and am a defender of Opera in general and have recommended it to family and friends for years. That said I find this post by julianmolin to be spot on whereas leushino comes off as the whiner, with a keyboard bend toward mean nasty comments. And lots of them. Having an opinion and sharing information is why the forum is here. For all his posts here he didn't offer one helpful hint. Just crap!
Bravo julianmolin
I for one still use 12.16 and while not perfect its awful close. I'm not giving it up until it becomes unusable.
