The impending demise of Opera?
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nightmaresoul last edited by
Also it seems Tidy Bookmarks not available in Operas extension list on site unless your looking for it in Spanish o.O. Anyhow I hope that Opera will re-invigorate some of the beauty and majesty they had in 12.16 into Opera 21.
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lem729 last edited by
It's in the Chrome Store. Tidy Bookmarks for Chrome.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/Tidy Bookmarks?hl=en-US
[It was once in the Opera store. For some reason it's not there in the Opera store] I assume you know how to get the Chrome Extension. All you need is the Opera Extension, "Download Chrome Extension" to get it.
Keep in mind that some features of Opera 20 are better than ever was in Opera 12.16. And then there are a number of memorable features in Opera 12.16, which may be, as Thomas Wolfe once said: "lost and by the wind grieved."
But "beauty and majesty" are important. I am with you there . . . And one can always improve on things.
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Deleted User last edited by
Let's see if I can add anything of value:
First, I agree with most of the sentiment of the OP.
To specify:
- searching for addons is a pain. Opera is not my hobby. Main reason I always stayed away from Firefox (apart from the ugliness). For me, this is true for every game and application. Technically, addon systems are brilliant and beautiful. From a user experience perspective, "DEFAULTS MATTER".
- user control is important. Main point: In Opera 12.16 I can turn off Javascript at will to download images from the web. Or copy text. Don't mess with me with javascript content blockers. I will rip your copyrighted material from your bloody chest :p.
- mouse gestures are pretty useful.
- the persistent tab management of Opera 12 is brilliant although tab grouping didn't seem to work very well. I would never use anything other than Opera 12 for persistent sessions, although the Stash feature seems useful to me.
- I like custom search fields. I never memorized custom search keys (apart from "g" for Google) but I added custom search fields for a few dictionaries. The interface to do this was very unfriendly. I'm sure very few people ever did it. A regular user cannot analyse a web page to discern the search query used by some form.
Now to me the most important thing:
/Chrome style tabs are not useful to me for creating and maintaining any form of persistent session. Chrome tabs are expendable. I do not invest any thought in them and I don't care whether I lose them or not. This is fine for casual browsing (on my netbook I do not use Opera 12) but any serious user will require better session support. Most people are not serious users. Most people are casual browsers. Most people are not trying to get real work done on a computer. Something that requires a better tool./
The second most important thing:
/I need my tabs to be at the bottom of the screen. There is a reason every single operating system puts context-switching elements (the task bar) at the bottom or left side of the screen. Tab switching is also context-switching. So we are talking about a feature that gets split in two for no apparent reason. A computer user is always looking more at the bottom than the top. For instance, my cursor is currently at the bottom of this text. Western people write from left-to-right and from top-to-bottom. We're always moving down, not up.
Chrome "tabs at the top" makes sense because it delineates (provides an edge) to the body of the window, as there are very few other elements (only an address bar with some controls). My Opera 12 contains an empty title bar at the top. A waste of screen real estate, perhaps. And the new Opera definitely looks pretty. But it doesn't look efficient. It doesn't look powerful. It doesn't look like I will have a great time working with it./
The point about Ctrl-Tab is characteristic. Ctrl-Tab sequentially cycling through tabs is indeed, completely useless.
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Anyway I can go on and on. The point is that the old Opera was a Power Mac and the new Opera is a Mac Mini.
And this "Mac Mini" is at least thrice as fast as Chrome on this netbook. Using this netbook is suddenly a pleasant experience. I thought Chrome would be a fast browser. New Opera is way faster.
Only thing I want to say:
- I think using bookmarks is a thing of the past. I think Stash is a good idea. I think Stash could be even better than persistent tabs. These days I even use Google search to open links I have bookmarks of. So I don't know about that. Bookmark management has always been a chore. Perhaps one day I will write a non-centralized, user controlled version of Delicious. I believe bookmarks should be something managed not by a browser, but by something else. Something that is also shared among devices. If I ever take up programming again, I am going to work on that.
My vision for the future is localized platforms that are globally developed. The software will be universal and free, but the material foundation (actual systems) will be run as autonomous entities interfacing with other autonomous entities.
So far, so long.
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Deleted User last edited by
Oh, great, this forum doesn't even work well with the New Opera :p.
My whitelines are not preserved, and I cannot edit my post.
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A Former User last edited by
I came here because i just found out there's no "open" context menu, so technically i have to open on new tab, close the previous tab and rinse repeat to all those sites that do so. good!!!
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A Former User last edited by
right is right for the context menu, but use left click to open a link in the current tab, so there is no need to open a new tab and close the current one.
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linuxmint7 last edited by
@elvennoia means there is no 'Open with' context menu entry in Opera Blink, like there was in Opera Presto.
I'm pretty sure his/her left and right mouse buttons are working fine.
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A Former User last edited by
Are you sure ?
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lem729 last edited by
I did notice where Chrookmarks in the Chrome store is a bookmark manager that lets you organize your bookmarks alphabetically and chronologically, or so one of the commenters on the app says. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a possibility for you if you want more than just organizing alphabetically.
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werewolf last edited by
@nightmaresoul,
I did notice where Chrookmarks in the Chrome store is a bookmark manager that lets you organize your bookmarks alphabetically and chronologically, or so one of the commenters on the app says. I haven't tried it, but it looks like a possibility for you if you want more than just organizing alphabetically.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrookmarks-chrome-bookma/kcdheengilgkagjehknnnofigbmlnnfj?hl=en-USI just want a bookmark panel that STAYS OPEN on the left side of my screen, like Opera 12 and previous had, and like Firefox still has.
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rabbitkillrun last edited by
There still aren't bookmarks? I was one of the many complaining about this when Opera Next first came out and several people told me that it was coming soon. If it's been this long and they still haven't added even that back in, I'm severely doubting I'll ever be switching to it.
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lem729 last edited by
There's tons of bookmarking in Opera 20, so much bookmarking you can get dizzy with it. There's an abundance of riches in the bookmarking, so please, don't confuse people. You can bookmark in the Speed Dial (huge amounts, because you can create folders), bookmark in the personal toolbar huge amounts, use bookmark manager extensions. As I mentioned to nightmaresoul in this thread, I use Chrookmarks from the Chrome store, and it's pretty good. I already posted a link to it for him, so you can easily find it.
And one person was telling me that they had 1000 bookmarks alone in Stash. Now I personally wouldn't do that with Stash (but there are so many other places to do it), but certainly there's incredible amounts of bookmarking that can be done in Opera 20 if you take some time to learn Opera 20. More Bookmarking is possible in Opera 20 (because of the voluminous space in the Speed Dial (with folders) than in Opera 12.17.
By the way @werewolf, I see where there's even an extension called, Bookmark Side Panel in the Chrome Store. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bookmarks-side-panel/ankkfflbgjokclfgfehiinnlijdlicdb?hl=en-US
Now I'm not recommending it. I have no idea about it, but panels are at least being worked on as extensions.
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90soperahippie last edited by
Isn't Opera for everyone who has tried Chrome and finds fault?
Chome is a joke and example of Open Source failure. It freezes my 8 gig ram, quad core machine...Contantly!
The cache is NOT controllable. The rendering is slow. It takes chrome 2 minutes to initialize. Everything done poorly.
Opera, oth, has had some bad versions. But on whole is much more of a rock. Not as dumbed down as Chrome. Open source loves to rip out features and improvements for a the stupidest user base.
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werewolf last edited by
@rabbitkillrun
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By the way @werewolf, I see where there's even an extension called, Bookmark Side Panel in the Chrome Store. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bookmarks-side-panel/ankkfflbgjokclfgfehiinnlijdlicdb?hl=en-US
Now I'm not recommending it. I have no idea about it, but panels are at least being worked on as extensions.Unfortunately it gets very bad reviews. But at least someone is working on it. Many people want it. Opera's bookmark side panel used to be especially nice because I could simply click on the left margin to open or close the side panel.
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lem729 last edited by
@werewold
The side panels have a nice aesthetic look, and give you a pleasing vertical layout of bookmarks. Perhaps, the panels slow the brower down. Or take a lot of complex programming. I'm a bit of an ignoramus there, ;))) I do think that if they could be done easily and without impairing browser performance, we'd have them In Opera Blink. But an improvement in the extension ability to do this is likely because there is demand. I think the new paradign for Opera is to keep browser lean and fast and rely on developers to give extensions for the rest.
Still, all may not be lost.
for a short term adjustment, waiting for . . . .( as for Godot, haha the sidebar), you can a nice vertical layout of bookmarks (but you do need to click on a toolbar icon for the extension to get that vertical layout, if you use something like Chrookmarks or Tidy Bookmars) (from the Chrome store), and there are other possibilities there that I haven't checked out. I like Chrookmarks because you can order it either chronologically or alphabetically, it sets out folders first, and makes them easy to manage. One makes adjustments . . . Not everything is as before (change involves initially pluses and minuses), but it can be liveable on the way to . . . why, (like Godot) . . . everything is coming up roses. A song. Lol. -
wfheller last edited by
I have been using Opera since Windows 3.1 and I had to pay for it. I have also payed for versions 4, 5, 6 until it became free with version 7. That is why I hate the chromium version since opera 15. I have currently version 20 on my laptop but rarely use it because it is just a Chrome clone but one without bookmarks and no mouse gestures that can compare with versio 12.16 which is my standard browser. I hve transported my bookmarks to Firefox and Safari and even IE with Transmute.
But i hpoe that in the near future the guys in norway have seen their error and make an Opera with bookmarks and complete mouse gestures including the ability to redefine most used commands to one letter abreveations. I think that jrista is absolutely right in his complaint and I agree with it 100%. -
wfheller last edited by
Using the Microsoft Internals program Process Explorer I find that both Chrome and Opera20 use a gigantic amount of storage both working set and private bytes - they add up to about 3 times the size of Opera12.16. And why is it necesary to start 8 subthreaths when Opera12 uses only one for the plugin-wrapper.
