Why notes are not present in the new version of opera
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mohamedemad2000 last edited by
I used to save many templates in the notes, it is lost now, i used opera only for this advantage
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lando242 last edited by
They were removed because very few people used them so it wasn't worth re-adding to the new build. That said, there are extensions that can restore similar features to the browser if you choose to install them.
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lem729 last edited by
I haven't found anything in Opera Blink as good as what was in Opera Presto, or as good as Scrapbook in Firefox. What I would like (which I think most people would find used and useful) would be notes: (1) that don't require you to log into another site, and have your notes floating in the cloud (there are privacy and nuisance issues there: too many extensions, and other browser features requiring passwords and logins) (why not keep it simple and just let the person use their computer to store the note with maybe login functionality as a feature for syncing multiple computers, but not making it a prerequisite for using the feature, (2) where you could highlight something and that would be the header in your note file, that you could find at any time (but which can be easily renamed if you want) (and you would have the ability to add comments to that note file), and (3) by clicking on that header or something readily apparent in the note file, you could go back to the web page where you took the note. The last point is really important and useful to me.
I find puzzling the assertion that very few people were using it. I find it simply "not believable." Scrapbook is one of the most popular extension in Firefox (one of the ten Firefox add-ons you need to have)(http://websearch.about.com/od/dailywebsearchtips/qt/dnt0528.htm), and it was based on the Notes function in Opera Presto. Opera ought to restore something like that in Opera Blink. I say that particularly because I haven't seen an Opera or Chrome extension that really does it. Generally, the shortcoming is the login requirement. I would be happy with an extension that did it, but I still don't see that.
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lando242 last edited by
Popular is relative. Many users use no extensions at all. From what I understand the Devs based this decision on the usage statics the browser collects if you opt in. They found many features that were simply not used very much so they were not given priority to be added to the new version. Heck, bookmarks were found to not be used by many people so even they were put on the back burner. I very much doubt notes is used by more people than bookmarks was.
That said, have you given Simple Notes a try? Its for Opera 29 and above.
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/simple-notes/
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blackbird71 last edited byPopular is relative. Many users use no extensions at all. From what I understand the Devs based this decision on the usage statics the browser collects if you opt in. They found many features that were simply not used very much so they were not given priority to be added to the new version. Heck, bookmarks were found to not be used by many people so even they were put on the back burner. I very much doubt notes is used by more people than bookmarks was. ...
That, of course, raises the issue of whether many users who were more likely to employ Notes (I was one of them) would also tend as a group to consistently seek enhanced privacy and not opt-in to a browser phoning home about usage stats (and again, I was one who did not opt in). I would submit that the users most likely to employ numerous browser features (Notes, Mail, etc) and custom toolbar settings were also users who were more concerned about their ultimate privacy/security and would accordingly shut off or block as much browser phoning home as possible: usage stats, Unite, Turbo, etc.
As a result, the usage-stats collection process would ultimately filter against such users and produce misleading results, which I believe greatly contributed to the 'bookmarks' debacle. I use the term 'debacle', because now in retrospect and recalling all the rationalization at the time from developers about why bookmarks were utterly obsolete and Stash was the guaranteed wave of the future, nevertheless bookmarks have been put back into the browser - at least to the degree they have. Granted, that is all history now... but it would be wise to keep in mind the possibility that the original usage stats were fundamentally flawed and not as representative of as many users as we might otherwise tend to believe.
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lem729 last edited by
I agree with @blackbird71 that the usage statistics may well have been of dubious value/flawed. As he notes there was a "debacle" over Opera not providing for enough for bookmarks, based upon the alleged usage statistic (somewhat amusing) that claimed people didn't use them. Well, as it turned out, people did, and wanted the feature implemented in a better fashion. Now I would say the same thing for Notes, maybe not as much use as bookmarks, but plenty of use, and a good feature that Opera Presto had. Now if we had an adequate extension like Firefox's Scrapbook (that didn't require logins, and notes in the cloud, which have the drawback of being contra-privacy), then fine. The extension would be sufficient, but we don't have it. So it's a feature, probably not that hard to replicate, that Opera might want to consider getting back for Opera Blink. Simple Notes, @lando742, looks too primitive. No folders. I forgot to mention that creating folders in the Notes feature, is important, because it's easier to store and organize items them. Also, this Simple Notes doesn't seem to have the feature where if you click on your note, right click? (or at least somewhere in the note) you are back on the web page. I tried to download it to test, and the download failed. Not sure why. Maybe it hasn't been updated for the latest version of Opera.
Right now, when I want to take a note, I copy the webpage to Firefox, and make the note in Scrapbook. That's not the best situation.
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lando242 last edited by
Well, you shot yourself in the foot then. No point complaining about not getting what you use most when you purposely hid your usage from the dev team. Gotta pick one of the other. Complaining about it here doesn't do any good either. The devs don't hang out here much. Its muct mroe productive to make comments in the blog posts announcing a new release.
I tried to download it to test
I said in my post its for version 29 and above of Opera. Are you using 29 or 28? Either way, if there isn't something out there that fits your needs feel free to make one or pay someone to hammer one out for you.
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lem729 last edited by
Well, you shot yourself in the foot then. No point complaining about not getting what you use most when you purposely hid your usage from the dev team. Gotta pick one of the other. Complaining about it here doesn't do any good either. The devs don't hang out here much. Its muct mroe productive to make comments in the blog posts announcing a new release.
If Opera's methodology for assessing usage was fundamentally flawed, based on what they did to assess the usage, it's Opera that missed the boat there, not the public. Look, let's make an analogy to public opinion polls. If the pollster can't get people to answer the phone in a high enough percentage, and is way off base on whom the pollster predicts will win the election, it's silly to blame people who would not answer the phone. "Everyone" will rightly blame the pollster, who if he wants to stay in business, better come up with a methodology to adequately predict the election. It's his problem, his responsibility to accurately divine voter intent. The same for a business in determining product usage and need, because it will only stay in business if it is able to do that.
I tried to download it to test
I said in my post its for version 29 and above of Opera. Are you using 29 or 28? Either way, if there isn't something out there that fits your needs feel free to make one or pay someone to hammer one out for you.
I missed what you said. I'm using version 28. But as I did say, I went to the website, and Simple Notes had -- based what I saw there -- all the appearance of not meeting my needs -- no folders, no seeming ability to click on the note and call up the website.
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A Former User last edited by admin
I have been using Webnotes available here for maybe a year, and it comes pretty close to the old notes feature. No context menu entry but otherwise it comes pretty close to O12 notes, closer than any extension I have seen. Here's a thread with more info.
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lem729 last edited by
It's not listed in the Opera add-ons, extensions,
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/?ref=menu
or in the Chrome store. It doesn't look like it's been worked on in almost 1 and 1/2 years. It may or may not work with future updates of Opera.
I wouldn't take a file from a site like that. For me, it's got to be on either the Opera site, or the Chrome site, with the modest comfort of whatever reviews are required to get there, and to be able to read a lot of customer reviews.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Well, you shot yourself in the foot then. No point complaining about not getting what you use most when you purposely hid your usage from the dev team. Gotta pick one of the other. Complaining about it here doesn't do any good either. ...
Except that at no time do I ever recall Opera informing its browser users that the results of the usage-stat feedback function would be the basis for a forthcoming browser redesign or used as the basis for the omission of certain functionality in a future browser. There was no "gotta pick one of the other" involved if no such explanation was provided for browsing information being phoned home. Moreover, forcing users to choose between enforcing their privacy as users or seeing their needed features evaporate from a new browser design that wasn't even disclosed at the time of the "choice" seems a rather bizarre way to try to accumulate objective data about user needs.
I do agree that there isn't any point complaining about it here. But, as I noted earlier, it is wise to keep in mind that the usage-stats process was neither fully objective nor comprehensive, when one chooses to make arguments regarding why certain features were not included in the new browser or whether they truly "ought" to have been excluded and why.
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A Former User last edited by
They were removed because very few people used them so it wasn't worth re-adding to the new build. That said, there are extensions that can restore similar features to the browser if you choose to install them.
Ok so was there even someone who used old Opera? Because new Opera dont have any features so nobody used the old one? Just kidding but seriously why old Opera had so many features if nobody used them?
Extensions are good thing but they cant replace most of the integrated features. Lots of extensions are just useless trash. Why do we have software in the first place? We could have just core and all features will be extensions... good idea but nobody have time/skill to build software this way. People need working software not build it yourself lego. -
sircasey81 last edited by
After digging through several threads like this one, I finally found an extension called TaggingNotes that has the older Opera Notes right-click context menu functionality:
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/taggingnotes/?display=en&hidemessage=1Just click the tag that says "Use to paste" and that note is available in the right-click context menu to paste into web page fields.
Bonus points: TaggingNotes has an import from notes.adr tool!
Also available in the Chrome store for Chrome under the same name.
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sircasey81 last edited by
Also found this one, a little more like the classic Opera Notes:
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-notes/?display=en -
czakolo last edited by
not popular? maybe people chose option to not share stats...
anyway, I have tried all of available extensions and they all crap, period. Simple, no synchronization with opera account. So far, nothing can replace original Opera Notes and Sessions. -
lando242 last edited by
Sessions
Session Buddy for Chrome runs in Opera with the 'Download Chrome Extension". It is by far the best session manager I have ever seen. Completely blows away the old Opera 12 session system. No contest at all.
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torla last edited by
Move to new Opera. The first thing that i need in new one its notes from 12.17.
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lando242 last edited by
Check out V7 Notes:
https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/v7-notes/?display=en
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browzer1 last edited by
I use, on occasion, five Browsers. Opera, Firefox, IE, Google and Vivaldi.
I realized long ago, that five separate note applications was ridiculous. (Four actually. There is nothing for IE).
So in the event that I want to copy something to a note (depending on the browser), I simply copy the note an OpenOffice text document.
Yes it's a bit more work, but it works for me. In my case, I use notes very rarely.
There's dozens of system note taking applications out there. Pick one you like.
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uninetgranada last edited by
I still use Opera JUST because of its notes. Pity 12.17 is sometimes asking for upgrades and Link is not used anymore.
Does anyone know any solution (now I would not mind using another browser
) where notes are integrated in the browser and are synced to the cloud?Signed by an Opera fan for over 15 years (and I had an Internet cafe where I gave great publicity of Opera back in the times)
