Recently closed tabs - Why only 10?

A Former User

I agree that 10 recently closed tabs is not enough. There should be more by default or some option to choice how many you want to have.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

I think 10 is enough, people usually doesn't keep reopening closed tabs. And there is always History.

A Former User

I think 10 is enough, people usually doesn't keep reopening closed tabs.

I guess I'm not "usual" enough to deserve to be in the VIP list of users this company wants to support and I'll have to look elsewhere...

And what exactly is the problem of keeping the full list, perhaps at the same place it was before so it doesn't interfere with the new Tab Menu?

They are removing a feature for the sake of removing a feature and nothing more!! It blows my mind, I guess the people who worked on the Presto version really aren't there anymore (I mean I can't believe they are).

there is always History.

That is too far away to be quick and simple. Not only requires loading another page, but that page includes the WHOLE history of EVERY tab whether open or closed. It CAN'T be used for the same functionality as the list is too long and ineffective and using the search would be yet another extra step.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

And what exactly is the problem of keeping the full list, perhaps at the same place it was before so it doesn't interfere with the new Tab Menu?

Maybe nothing but i guess it could turn into a mess if you have a huge number of closed tabs.

That is too far away to be quick and simple. Not only requires loading another page, but that page includes the WHOLE history of EVERY tab whether open or closed. It CAN'T be used for the same functionality as the list is too long and ineffective and using the search would be yet another extra step.

Depending on the amount of entries in the recent closed tabs list, i think it's better to just go to History and search for the page.

skoy21

skoy21

Well, it could be a mess, but for whom? As you say, a "usual" user won't reuse so many tabs, so they won't have a huge list to make it a problem. On the other hand, there are the "not usual" users, that obviously a huge list of closed tabs is rather an asset than a problem...

History as said before, has a totally different function than recently closed tabs. History lists everything visited in the past, whereas RCT (Recently Closed Tabs) lists only that Recently Closed Tabs on the particular session. (Another subject is to why we can just NOT use history?)

Also, opera used to be a browser of choice for advanced users, who wanted something more from their browser. Sure, you can check your facebook page, and view a video or music on youtube easily, and have a couple more tabs open, but this is not what browsing is all about to everyone... As I said in my original post, people use browsing for work related issues, research etc, that a big amount of open tabs is required. 10 is simply not enough.

And again, the "new" Opera, made some steps to satisfy that userbase, but quickly turned to the "average", doing what everybody else...

It is pity that people "supported" opera until 12.xx, are now left out of opera's average userbase. All they see now is getting a piece of chrome users. Innovation creates a pie, it just doesn't try to get a piece from the other one's pie.
The thing is... Why should someone use Opera today? What are the benefits over the market? If it is the same, with different hood, and in some cases with more bugs, well, it just looses audience instead of gaining, because the majority, will just go with what it knows and works simple and good (for their needs), which is usually chrome.

I used to say to my friends and colleagues, use Opera for a while, you will see browsing differently after that. That days are way gone... As systems administrator at my work, I am the only person to have Opera, i install chrome to my users...

Sorry for the long unrelated things (to RCT) I wrote, but this is a small brick, out of a lot of bricks that were removed from that wall, which will eventually fall...

And a final thought to people answering "use chrome" or "nobody forces you to use Opera" etc. If you have to contribute something useful, then do. Nobody forces you to defend Opera being problematic or not better than what it could and used to be...

skoy21

skoy21

And as rafaelluik said, there is an overall feeling from users that supported opera, that opera does not support them any more...

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

This is no news. It's been known for some time now that Opera has changed direction, more towards "regular" users.

A Former User

This is no news. It's been known for some time now that Opera has changed direction, more towards "regular" users.

Yeah that makes sence because of Opere never was for regular users and regular users dont have reason to use Opera... Regular users use IE/Edge or chrome because its part of system (Windows) or they get it with some other software (Chrome).

skoy21

skoy21

I know it's no news... I just got mad when tried to check something I closed just to realise that this was gone too...

I wonder what else is there to remove???

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

Well, it could be a mess, but for whom? As you say, a "usual" user won't reuse so many tabs, so they won't have a huge list to make it a problem. On the other hand, there are the "not usual" users, that obviously a huge list of closed tabs is rather an asset than a problem...

WElcome to reallity: (Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power users many times may not worth the efforts.

History as said before, has a totally different function than recently closed tabs. History lists everything visited in the past, whereas RCT (Recently Closed Tabs) lists only that Recently Closed Tabs on the particular session.

Most probably you will need to know the page you want to bring back so, imho, it will be easir to serach for the page's name on history than have to look at dozens of tabs listed under "recent closed".

A Former User

Maybe nothing but i guess it could turn into a mess if you have a huge number of closed tabs.

It's a frigging list. Just stop reading when you reach the 10th tab in the list if you can't take it, is that hard?

Depending on the amount of entries in the recent closed tabs list, i think it's better to just go to History and search for the page.

Now you're putting at doubt my ability to glance at favicons and titles.
You want to force me to accept I can't do what I could anymore, defending a change that doesn't have any justification. Keeping the list where it was or giving an option wouldn't confuse any user but you prefer to defend the arbitrary removal of features.

The thing is... Why should someone use Opera today? What are the benefits over the market? If it is the same, with different hood, and in some cases with more bugs, well, it just looses audience instead of gaining, because the majority, will just go with what it knows and works simple and good (for their needs), which is usually chrome.

This is it, kind of. And locking us to 10 last closed pages is a little step towards less differentiation to Chrome.

Truth is most regular users really don't know how to use computers to benefit from Opera's great "little" features. If anything could lead them to Opera it'd have to be the most obvious "on the face" features, today it'd be something like the Speed Dial which gives freedom for us to edit unlike most other browsers. I mean, the question really is, why would users switch from Edge? Is that the kind of user they want? Edge could soon add the ability to edit its "speed dial", what would happen to Opera then? Don't just look at their market share, look at the number of users in financial reports, it's flat, "browsers" is a saturated market.
By removing the "little" features they'll lose all their above average users.
I sadly realize the Opera browser could possibly cease to exist in the future.

I don't get Opera now, it's bipolar: mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts customization that the "usual" user will never touch, but it can't even restore the 11th closed page.

A Former User

(Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power users many times may not worth the efforts.

We aren't asking for features to be added, we are on our knees begging that they don't remove one that's already implemented.

Sarcasm time! The effort on removing features is worth it, removing features will finally take Opera above 2% market share.

skoy21

skoy21

WElcome to reallity: (Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power >users many times may not worth the efforts.

There is another reality... Free software is made for the very power users as well...

Dude... They remove things that worked for many many years and made Opera special over others... Nobody says to add (well, i want things added but that's another story) There is no effort to add anything, they make huge unnecessary efforts to strip things down.

Just a rhetorical question... How does it make sense to try get a market share of THE leading and well established company, with the biggest share on that market, by copying their product and start making it less functional?
Would you do it? Who would?

leocg, I am still wondering, what is it that you support?
You say it's easier to

Remember the name or the specific page of what i closed
Open history
type it into history (that it may have more than one results)
try to figure out which of these results is the one that I closed earlier
5.click to open
Instead of
look at a list and just SEE the one I want that I closed earlier?
Click it to open
It is always easier to find by looking than find by trying remember...

Do you disagree just for the sake of it? Just as Opera removes things Just for the sake of it? You really don't get what everybody says here?

There are tons of useless crap for the average user that he will never ever use (paste as plain text, really? for the average user to paste code maybe?), but they choose to remove things that people use...

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

You say it's easier to

Remember the name or the specific page of what i closed

Well, unless you are trying to reopen a tab you've just closed you will need to know the title of the page to be reopened, right?

Open history

type it into history (that it may have more than one results)

My bad, you don't need to go to History, you can use the address bar.

try to figure out which of these results is the one that I closed earlier

Most probably the first. History shows you date and time of when page was last accessed.

nstead of

look at a list and just SEE the one I want that I closed earlier?

Depending on how many entries you have, there is good change that search will be faster.

Do you disagree just for the sake of it? Just as Opera removes things Just for the sake of it? You really don't get what everybody says here?

Nope, i guess i just understand their point. With an unlimited number of entries, the list could split into two, three, four colums and it still have to handle the other info in the tab menu.

I am still wondering, what is it that you support?

I support the return of full page/text index so we can easily find anything.

skoy21

skoy21

You will have to know the title, or you might don't fully remember it, but when you see it on the list, your brain instantly knows this is the one to choose... Brain functions
You have to still remember the website's name or a portion of it, to search it through the adress bar or history, whereas you need to know just the more memory friendly, eye catching title that comes in recently closed list In general, easier to spot than remember...

I can give you another example why RCT is way more convenient than history. Suppose that you have 2 windows open, with specific tabs to each window, dividing your work... The list keeps the closed tabs of each window separate to that window, whereas history mixes all together...

Anyway, I know there are alternative, which you present here, this is true, but none of them is faster and more convenient. Maybe you have never used a lot of time, a lot of open tabs, and the ability to open close then quickly. Because, if you do, I know that you understand, despite you act like the devil's advocate...

For just simple browsing 10 might be ok, but for anything else, is way too limited...

At this point I have to state that I support the return of the fellowship of the drink... Cheers

A Former User

Nope, i guess i just understand their point. With an unlimited number of entries, the list could split into two, three, four colums and it still have to handle the other info in the tab menu.

So? I didn't ask for them to move the list into the Tab Menu in the first place. Give option to, or keep the full list where it was for over a year: in the main menu. It won't bite...

Deleted User

Deleted User

Ta menu be should be in the side bar because it would be more useful and would have space to show more than 10 closed tabs. Also it would be nice to see history and bookmarks in side bar natively.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

Ta menu be should be in the side bar

Possibility to move tab bar to the sides would be good.

leocg

leocg Moderator Volunteer

I can give you another example why RCT is way more convenient than history. Suppose that you have 2 windows open, with specific tabs to each window, dividing your work... The list keeps the closed tabs of each window separate to that window, whereas history mixes all together...

Ok, i guess i can consider it a valid point.

Anyway, I know there are alternative, which you present here, this is true, but none of them is faster and more convenient.

Maybe, but i still think that search may be faster if you have a long list of closed tabs.

Maybe you have never used a lot of time, a lot of open tabs, and the ability to open close then quickly. Because, if you do, I know that you understand, despite you act like the devil's advocate...

Well, for sure i don't usually keep reopening closed tabs. For me such feature was always something for an eventual "emergency" (a tab closed by mistake or by some script, something like that) than one to be used regularly.

A Former User

I use the closed tab feature all the time. As opposed to making it a single, arbitrary, number I think we would benefit more by having an option to select how many previously closed tabs we would like to show - at the expense of space or looks. I am okay with that. I would probably set it at 100 and then scroll through it to remind myself of something that I had forgotten.

I do a lot of "work" (well, I am retired) in the web browser. I have a number of dev projects and I do a lot of coding. I quite frequently am bouncing around inside the browser from tab to tab to tab and closing and opening other tabs. Often, I will need to refer back to something that I closed. My memory is a little cloudy - it happens with age.

Being able to have the feature, let it default to ten, and then have it customizable to any (there is going to need to be a finite limit due to bit length though with 64 bits that can be a pretty large number) number that the end user wants would be great. One of the things that has made Opera my favorite browser (for many many years - back when I had to pay for the privilege to use Opera) has been the ability to customize it and the wonderful developers who were unafraid of trying new things.

Yes, yes I did pay to use Opera back in the day. It was worth it. I would pay now, if needed. (Instead I subscribe to SurfEasy as of late.) I think some of that culture is missing as Opera tries to gain market share instead of concentrating on just being themselves and letting the chips fall where they may. Sure, there is something to be said for increased revenue but what, at what expense? If they lose the development community, what do they have left? If Opera decides to code for the lowest common denominator then, really, what will that accomplish in the long run?

I see the folks here who are languishing. There is real emotion here. Some of us have used Opera for a very long time. There was a time when Opera was the trend starter. Tabbed browsing? Opera did it first AFAIK. Gestures? Opera did that too. Turbo? Yup, that would be Opera. Even this subject, the ability to re-open (and find) closed tabs? I bet you can guess who did that first... There was a reason we paid for Opera. It was worth every cent - and it was worth it to have the experience, knowing that Opera would be first to market with new features and would offer stellar support.

I can not say that the trend is ending - by any means. In fact, it may well be continuing and going in new directions. They have a whole new code base that they are working with. So, keep that in mind before we decide that they have wronged us. Also, keep in mind that the code is right there on GitHub - we can fork this if we want. I have an IDE that will work well with this. chuckles I have Visual Studios and an MSDN subscription, Eclipse, QT, CodeLite, and VIM if I need it.

So, before we get out the pitchforks, let's be patient and see - while continuing to stress our needs. If the pitchforks do have to come out then, well, why bother? It will be too late at that point. Grab an IDE, a free eBook or thirty, a browser window with StackOverflow and Bing/Google, head to GitHub, and make it what you feel it ought to be. However, let's hope it does not reach that point because, well, a project this large with a disparate userbase such as this, is not going to be easy.

For now, I think, let us just say, "Thanks." (And let us continue to make sure we are open, honest, and communicative when we have needs such as this.)