Recently closed tabs - Why only 10?
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greentreedom last edited by
I agree, still haven't "upgraded" to the new Opera but this is yet another thing I want back too.
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A Former User last edited by
they mixed recently closed tabs with tab menu (currently opened tabs)
so...probably because of space saving, Opera gives only 10 last closed tabs on the list
Chromium API will give last 25 (again not all....just saying) -
skoy21 last edited byWell, Open tabs From my perspective is kinda useless, you have them on the tab bar.
25 would be way better than 10. -
A Former User last edited by
they mixed recently closed tabs with tab menu (currently opened tabs)
so...probably because of space saving, Opera gives only 10 last closed tabs on the list
Chromium API will give last 25 (again not all....just saying)Before the Tab Menu implementation Opera would have no problem displaying more than 25 closed tabs. They aren't limited by the Chormium API.
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A Former User last edited by
I agree that 10 recently closed tabs is not enough. There should be more by default or some option to choice how many you want to have.
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A Former User last edited by
I think 10 is enough, people usually doesn't keep reopening closed tabs.
I guess I'm not "usual" enough to deserve to be in the VIP list of users this company wants to support and I'll have to look elsewhere...
And what exactly is the problem of keeping the full list, perhaps at the same place it was before so it doesn't interfere with the new Tab Menu?
They are removing a feature for the sake of removing a feature and nothing more!! It blows my mind, I guess the people who worked on the Presto version really aren't there anymore (I mean I can't believe they are).
there is always History.
That is too far away to be quick and simple. Not only requires loading another page, but that page includes the WHOLE history of EVERY tab whether open or closed. It CAN'T be used for the same functionality as the list is too long and ineffective and using the search would be yet another extra step.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
And what exactly is the problem of keeping the full list, perhaps at the same place it was before so it doesn't interfere with the new Tab Menu?
Maybe nothing but i guess it could turn into a mess if you have a huge number of closed tabs.
That is too far away to be quick and simple. Not only requires loading another page, but that page includes the WHOLE history of EVERY tab whether open or closed. It CAN'T be used for the same functionality as the list is too long and ineffective and using the search would be yet another extra step.
Depending on the amount of entries in the recent closed tabs list, i think it's better to just go to History and search for the page.
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skoy21 last edited by
Well, it could be a mess, but for whom? As you say, a "usual" user won't reuse so many tabs, so they won't have a huge list to make it a problem. On the other hand, there are the "not usual" users, that obviously a huge list of closed tabs is rather an asset than a problem...
History as said before, has a totally different function than recently closed tabs. History lists everything visited in the past, whereas RCT (Recently Closed Tabs) lists only that Recently Closed Tabs on the particular session. (Another subject is to why we can just NOT use history?)
Also, opera used to be a browser of choice for advanced users, who wanted something more from their browser. Sure, you can check your facebook page, and view a video or music on youtube easily, and have a couple more tabs open, but this is not what browsing is all about to everyone... As I said in my original post, people use browsing for work related issues, research etc, that a big amount of open tabs is required. 10 is simply not enough.
And again, the "new" Opera, made some steps to satisfy that userbase, but quickly turned to the "average", doing what everybody else...
It is pity that people "supported" opera until 12.xx, are now left out of opera's average userbase. All they see now is getting a piece of chrome users. Innovation creates a pie, it just doesn't try to get a piece from the other one's pie.
The thing is... Why should someone use Opera today? What are the benefits over the market? If it is the same, with different hood, and in some cases with more bugs, well, it just looses audience instead of gaining, because the majority, will just go with what it knows and works simple and good (for their needs), which is usually chrome.I used to say to my friends and colleagues, use Opera for a while, you will see browsing differently after that. That days are way gone... As systems administrator at my work, I am the only person to have Opera, i install chrome to my users...
Sorry for the long unrelated things (to RCT) I wrote, but this is a small brick, out of a lot of bricks that were removed from that wall, which will eventually fall...
And a final thought to people answering "use chrome" or "nobody forces you to use Opera" etc. If you have to contribute something useful, then do. Nobody forces you to defend Opera being problematic or not better than what it could and used to be...
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skoy21 last edited by
And as rafaelluik said, there is an overall feeling from users that supported opera, that opera does not support them any more...
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gustavwiz last edited by
This is no news. It's been known for some time now that Opera has changed direction, more towards "regular" users.
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A Former User last edited by
This is no news. It's been known for some time now that Opera has changed direction, more towards "regular" users.
Yeah that makes sence because of Opere never was for regular users and regular users dont have reason to use Opera... Regular users use IE/Edge or chrome because its part of system (Windows) or they get it with some other software (Chrome).
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skoy21 last edited by
I know it's no news... I just got mad when tried to check something I closed just to realise that this was gone too...
I wonder what else is there to remove???
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
Well, it could be a mess, but for whom? As you say, a "usual" user won't reuse so many tabs, so they won't have a huge list to make it a problem. On the other hand, there are the "not usual" users, that obviously a huge list of closed tabs is rather an asset than a problem...
WElcome to reallity: (Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power users many times may not worth the efforts.
History as said before, has a totally different function than recently closed tabs. History lists everything visited in the past, whereas RCT (Recently Closed Tabs) lists only that Recently Closed Tabs on the particular session.
Most probably you will need to know the page you want to bring back so, imho, it will be easir to serach for the page's name on history than have to look at dozens of tabs listed under "recent closed".
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A Former User last edited by
Maybe nothing but i guess it could turn into a mess if you have a huge number of closed tabs.
It's a frigging list. Just stop reading when you reach the 10th tab in the list if you can't take it, is that hard?
Depending on the amount of entries in the recent closed tabs list, i think it's better to just go to History and search for the page.
Now you're putting at doubt my ability to glance at favicons and titles.
You want to force me to accept I can't do what I could anymore, defending a change that doesn't have any justification. Keeping the list where it was or giving an option wouldn't confuse any user but you prefer to defend the arbitrary removal of features.The thing is... Why should someone use Opera today? What are the benefits over the market? If it is the same, with different hood, and in some cases with more bugs, well, it just looses audience instead of gaining, because the majority, will just go with what it knows and works simple and good (for their needs), which is usually chrome.
This is it, kind of. And locking us to 10 last closed pages is a little step towards less differentiation to Chrome.
Truth is most regular users really don't know how to use computers to benefit from Opera's great "little" features. If anything could lead them to Opera it'd have to be the most obvious "on the face" features, today it'd be something like the Speed Dial which gives freedom for us to edit unlike most other browsers. I mean, the question really is, why would users switch from Edge? Is that the kind of user they want? Edge could soon add the ability to edit its "speed dial", what would happen to Opera then? Don't just look at their market share, look at the number of users in financial reports, it's flat, "browsers" is a saturated market.
By removing the "little" features they'll lose all their above average users.
I sadly realize the Opera browser could possibly cease to exist in the future.I don't get Opera now, it's bipolar: mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts customization that the "usual" user will never touch, but it can't even restore the 11th closed page.
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A Former User last edited by
(Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power users many times may not worth the efforts.
We aren't asking for features to be added, we are on our knees begging that they don't remove one that's already implemented.
Sarcasm time!
The effort on removing features is worth it, removing features will finally take Opera above 2% market share. -
skoy21 last edited by
WElcome to reallity: (Free) Software usually are made for the average users. And adding features/options for the power >users many times may not worth the efforts.
There is another reality... Free software is made for the very power users as well...
Dude... They remove things that worked for many many years and made Opera special over others... Nobody says to add (well, i want things added but that's another story) There is no effort to add anything, they make huge unnecessary efforts to strip things down.
Just a rhetorical question... How does it make sense to try get a market share of THE leading and well established company, with the biggest share on that market, by copying their product and start making it less functional?
Would you do it? Who would?leocg, I am still wondering, what is it that you support?
You say it's easier to- Remember the name or the specific page of what i closed
- Open history
- type it into history (that it may have more than one results)
- try to figure out which of these results is the one that I closed earlier
5.click to open
Instead of - look at a list and just SEE the one I want that I closed earlier?
- Click it to open
It is always easier to find by looking than find by trying remember...
Do you disagree just for the sake of it? Just as Opera removes things Just for the sake of it? You really don't get what everybody says here?
There are tons of useless crap for the average user that he will never ever use (paste as plain text, really? for the average user to paste code maybe?), but they choose to remove things that people use...
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
You say it's easier to
- Remember the name or the specific page of what i closed
Well, unless you are trying to reopen a tab you've just closed you will need to know the title of the page to be reopened, right?
- Open history
- type it into history (that it may have more than one results)
My bad, you don't need to go to History, you can use the address bar.
- try to figure out which of these results is the one that I closed earlier
Most probably the first. History shows you date and time of when page was last accessed.
nstead of
- look at a list and just SEE the one I want that I closed earlier?
Depending on how many entries you have, there is good change that search will be faster.
Do you disagree just for the sake of it? Just as Opera removes things Just for the sake of it? You really don't get what everybody says here?
Nope, i guess i just understand their point. With an unlimited number of entries, the list could split into two, three, four colums and it still have to handle the other info in the tab menu.
I am still wondering, what is it that you support?
I support the return of full page/text index so we can easily find anything.
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skoy21 last edited by
You will have to know the title, or you might don't fully remember it, but when you see it on the list, your brain instantly knows this is the one to choose... Brain functions
You have to still remember the website's name or a portion of it, to search it through the adress bar or history, whereas you need to know just the more memory friendly, eye catching title that comes in recently closed list In general, easier to spot than remember...I can give you another example why RCT is way more convenient than history. Suppose that you have 2 windows open, with specific tabs to each window, dividing your work... The list keeps the closed tabs of each window separate to that window, whereas history mixes all together...
Anyway, I know there are alternative, which you present here, this is true, but none of them is faster and more convenient. Maybe you have never used a lot of time, a lot of open tabs, and the ability to open close then quickly. Because, if you do, I know that you understand, despite you act like the devil's advocate...
For just simple browsing 10 might be ok, but for anything else, is way too limited...
At this point I have to state that I support the return of the fellowship of the drink... Cheers
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A Former User last edited by
Nope, i guess i just understand their point. With an unlimited number of entries, the list could split into two, three, four colums and it still have to handle the other info in the tab menu.
So? I didn't ask for them to move the list into the Tab Menu in the first place. Give option to, or keep the full list where it was for over a year: in the main menu. It won't bite...
