Where's recently closed pages now?
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jax765 last edited by
The new method is far worse. Before I could just move the mouse swiftly to the top left, click the opera icon and go down to the recently closed tabs menu. Now I have to manoeuvre more carefully as the new menu is located right next to the minimize icon. Terrible UI decision, hope it gets reverted back.
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noxart last edited by
Full recently closed tabs was one of the great features of Opera, I don't really understand this huge regression in functionality.
"wouldn't really work well because it would result in a huge list that would push the 'open tabs' part of the tab menu really far down..."
Not necessarily, even before there was a [< More] button, they can add that I guess.
And from a broader perspective ... imho tab grouping was far better solution to too many tabs than this menu (can't think of any other reason why would someone use it), so this menu could have been reserved for recently closed as it was before and worked really well.
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jax765 last edited by
Full recently closed tabs was one of the great features of Opera, I don't really understand this huge regression in functionality.
They say you can use history as a complement of recent closed tabs.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Between this and the sudden crashing I'm getting when trying to access Paypal, I think I'll switch to Firefox til they sort it out.
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jaredcheeda last edited by
How do you remove the "Tab Manager" icon from the browser. It serves no purpose to me other than to take up space and piss me off.
"When modifying existing UI, never add elements without giving the user the option to remove them" - One of the Principals of UX.
This can also be summed up with "People don't like change", "You can't please everyone, so don't force your changes on them", and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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A Former User last edited by
That said, I'd not be opposed for there to be some way to view all closed tabs, but I do think for the tab menu ui in particular showing recent closed tabs makes most sense.
Perhaps they could add a list of all closed tabs to the tabs webui page under 'this pc'? That could be pretty cool, because then you'd be able to search through them with ctrl + f, would be much nicer than the current list of all closed tabs imo.Ok, now what I think... That'd be too far away too many steps and waiting for the webui to load.
This is supposed to be a quick action, otherwise I could waste time typing in the address field or accessing the history to search for that page already.
What I want in my everyday web browsing: a simple full list, easily accessible, fast and non-frustrating.
What Opera gives now: cut list, complicated and frustrating if the tab you were looking for is just 10+ closed tabs away (you won't see it in the list then the hunt begins). Workaround is to take additional steps, wait for a history page to load and hunt the page in thousands of entries that are ordered by last accessed instead of last closed. Or disabling a flag that'll be removed completely in the next version, plus the act of disabling the flag isn't even monitored by Opera anonymous usage statistics they were supposed to monitor to improve the users' experience...
I've always listed this simple function as an Opera differential over Chrome when people asked on the subject, I used it and it's in fact a reason I can't stand Chrome, and now it's simply gone...
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thorneel last edited by
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
This is probably the most important rule in ergonomics.And not only there is a "fix", but it causes a loss of usability: you can't search for more than a few recently closed per window, and it brings nothing new in return (same number of clicks to get to it, and general history was already accessible).
This may be the stupidest evolution I've seen in software interface evolution since Windows 8 start button removal.
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chrothbart last edited by
This change in 'functionality' justs caused me to lose an entire window's worth of tabs. I accidentally closed the wrong window first and went to re-load the other window from the 'Recently closed tabs' menu only to find that it had disappeared. 10 minutes of Googleing later and I find it's moved, but of course the tabs aren't there since its from last session. Even more infuriatingly I've had 'delay loading of background tabs' turned on (this feature is one of the reasons I use Opera), so I can't even go in to history to find out whats been closed. I guess the jokes on me Opera, but I'm not laughing. Time to scrape together what I can from my history, and hope the rest wasn't that important.
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jorakae last edited by
I highly doubt they made the change 'to borrow code from chromium'. They did it because now that there's a tab menu, it makes sense from a UI perspective to have recently closed tabs there, but having the tab menu show a list of all closed tabs wouldn't really work well because it would result in a huge list that would push the 'open tabs' part of the tab menu really far down...
I really can't understand this design logic. They added a tab menu, which for me was completely unnecessary. This adds 0 additional functionality. I already have a tab bar which is far more convenient (for me) to navigate tabs (34 open now) then a long scroll down menu. I can easily visually identify the tab I want to move to and do so in a single click without any additional steps of opening a menu, scrolling to the page I want, and clicking again.
Then they moved a very functional component (recently closed tabs) to the unnecessary menu that I don't need and would rather not even have on my browser. In addition, as a result of this UI change, if I understand correctly from what has been posted here, they were forced to limit the functionality of the useful component. Nice trade off. Seems like a win/win. Insert sarcasm here.
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bluejeans last edited by
I know I shouldn't have upgraded
My fault.
Every time I think of upgrading Opera, I have to check the changelog, but the removed features are hard to find this way.
To Opera developers: why do you keep removing the features that make Opera cool? I am still elaborating the loss of v12. -
threatdown last edited by
How do you remove the "Tab Manager" icon from the browser. It serves no purpose to me other than to take up space and piss me off.
http://i.imgur.com/snbzvqS.png
"When modifying existing UI, never add elements without giving the user the option to remove them" - One of the Principals of UX.
This can also be summed up with "People don't like change", "You can't please everyone, so don't force your changes on them", and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."The tab menu Icon literally does not take up any 'usable' space... It's located under the min/max/close buttons where there was nothing else there anyway...
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threatdown last edited by
I highly doubt they made the change 'to borrow code from chromium'. They did it because now that there's a tab menu, it makes sense from a UI perspective to have recently closed tabs there, but having the tab menu show a list of all closed tabs wouldn't really work well because it would result in a huge list that would push the 'open tabs' part of the tab menu really far down...
I really can't understand this design logic. They added a tab menu, which for me was completely unnecessary. This adds 0 additional functionality. I already have a tab bar which is far more convenient (for me) to navigate tabs (34 open now) then a long scroll down menu. I can easily visually identify the tab I want to move to and do so in a single click without any additional steps of opening a menu, scrolling to the page I want, and clicking again.
Then they moved a very functional component (recently closed tabs) to the unnecessary menu that I don't need and would rather not even have on my browser. In addition, as a result of this UI change, if I understand correctly from what has been posted here, they were forced to limit the functionality of the useful component. Nice trade off. Seems like a win/win. Insert sarcasm here.You're ignoring the other functions of the tab menu... it also serves as a place to quickly access sync'd tabs from other devices, and it can also serve as a useful tab overflow when you have a ton of tabs open (when you have many tabs open, it's difficult to differentiate between tabs on the tab strip because they become very small and you can't see the titles, whereas on the tab menu you can see the full title of each tab, you can preview tabs without having to actually switch and potentially lose your place, and the list is scrollable).
The tab menu has legitimate, useful functionality. I can certainly see why people would want the ability to see a larger list of recently closed tabs, but I don't see any reason to throw the tab menu under the bus.
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etschrad last edited by
Looks like they got rid of the opera:flags#tab-menu-with-recent-tabs option. Lovely.
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A Former User last edited by
Lovely.
""Lovely"""
I'm lovely staying in Opera 31 until I simply can't anymore then will see what to do next.
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A Former User last edited by
can it be in both places?
many times I have closed 100 tabs at once and then a moment later wanted to bring back one that isn't in the 10 listed.
sometimes the tab list isn't wide enough to show me enough of a page title to tell it apart from others with similar page titles.
