opera is not what it used to be
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lestalia last edited by
The only reason you can't see noticeable differences between 12 and 28 is that you didn't use about the 90% of 12's features, this discussion is senseless XD
Oh I did, it appears that you're the one that didn't since you couldn't see the down side to it.
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loxiw last edited by
The only reason you can't see noticeable differences between 12 and 28 is that you didn't use about the 90% of 12's features, this discussion is senseless XD
Oh I did, it appears that you're the one that didn't since you couldn't see the down side to it.
RSS, IRC, an AMAZING password manager, customization, an actual mail client (no, the deprecated/dead software called Opera Mail is not), notes, contacts, Presto's RAM consumption, torrent client, the sidebar, dragonfly...
And I might be missing some of them as I didn't used them for almost 2 years, but 28 IS miles away from 12 and that's a fact, so it's pointless to discuss it.
Said that, the last releases seem to be improving a lot the new Opera
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A Former User last edited by
So what? You've said your piece. We've heard your opinion. You are beating a dead horse. Its not going back to the way it used to be. Deal with it. Move on. Get a hobby or something.
Perhaps some people think if they say it many times, accuse the Opera team of not caring/going backwards, etc, blah, blah, etc, they might shame the team into resurrecting v12 (or at least its features). Just out of interest, I wouldn't like to think about the amount of money I've spent on paid for software that no longer exists - oh the bane of the computer age!
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babogredac last edited by
Mail is the same just set shortcut to it.
Bookmarks are better this way and can be access just as quick (they built sidebar for you though).
Speed dial is much better now.
Inspecting and other tools are far better.
Right click the main bar to save you session as speed dial folder is just as good as sessions.Is it joke?!
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A Former User last edited by
Mail is the same just set shortcut to it.
Bookmarks are better this way and can be access just as quick (they built sidebar for you though).
Speed dial is much better now.
Inspecting and other tools are far better.
Right click the main bar to save you session as speed dial folder is just as good as sessions.
Is it joke?!Probably a joke... Maybe I dont get it but in my opinion bookmarks are just one big mess right now. No organization, forced folders, and not really easy acces. Speed dial is quite same but you cant set number of columbs or disable "+" button so not as good. Inspecion looks complicated for me.
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lando242 last edited by
No organization,
And now you are just telling falsehoods. You've been shown how to organize bookmarks several times.
not really easy acces
Theres like 3 different ways you can get to bookmarks. 4 ways if you are using the developer release. You really need to turn off your selective hearing mate. I know thats the only way you can continue believing that the new Opera is as bad as you say but you really aren't doing anyone any favors with your constant complaining.
Speed dial is quite same but you cant set number of columbs
Of course you can set the number of columns. Where do you even come up with this stuff?
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gregorw last edited by
In fairness, the option is hidden until you show advanced settings.
Since you brought up the developer release, let me point out that with the default-enabled experimental start page in developer 30.0, "big thumbnails" and the konami-code-accessible option to customize thumbnail sizes have vanished, leaving us with huge speed dial buttons.
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Deleted User last edited by
RSS, IRC, an AMAZING password manager, customization, an actual mail client (no, the deprecated/dead software called Opera Mail is not), notes, contacts, Presto's RAM consumption, torrent client, the sidebar, dragonfly...
And I might be missing some of them as I didn't used them for almost 2 years, but 28 IS miles away from 12 and that's a fact, so it's pointless to discuss it.
Said that, the last releases seem to be improving a lot the new Opera
...not to forget the COMPLETE synchronisation of ALL relevant stuff (bookmarks, bookmarks bar, typed history, Speed dial, Notes, Search engines, Content Blocker rules, Passwords).
I mean I understand the point of view from people who have not actually been using the features mentioned above. Who might not have been WORKING with Opera.
And I certainly don't want to oppose to anything new just because i am sooo comfortable with the old stuff.BUT as has been mentioned before there is a lot of functionality lost in the newer versions (i keep trying them out but still prefer my 12.17 Install) and I think it is my right to complain about that.
I know Opera will not return to v12 and sooner or later when 12 (including Opera Link) is not supported anymore i will have to find a new Browser, but I am actually very sorry about that.
Some remarks
It took 18 years to make Opera 12 what it was. They've had 2 years to make the current Opera what it is.
So was the enitire staff exchanged before v13 was build? Was there no Experience/Knowledge left from the developement of earlier versions? This reasoning is somewhat lame. If I had been working properly for 20 years and now I start to screw up things I cannot possibly tell my employer to just wait 20 years until everything will be alright again, can I?
Every single time you post here its just to complain about stuff. Why bother? We can't change anything for you. You're just wasting your time.
Protest (i.e. complaining) is a legitimate way to show you are dissatisfied with something. Following this reasoning above is like accepting the world's hunger/wars/injustice just because we cannot change it. (yes this is exaggeration)
But I still hope that the OPERA descision makers will take note of the (still large) amount of users who are still reluctant to use the newer versions because they simply lack functionality.
I cannot be so hard to re-implement some of the most wanted old features....Cheers, Cyb
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gregorw last edited by
I did a fresh stand-alone installation of Opera developer 30.0.1820.0.
Even after selecting both "show advanced settings" and "always show power user settings", neither "use big speed dial thumbnails" nor "speed dial thumbnail width" are available.
They only return after disabling opera://flags/#experimental-start-page and restarting.
Care to double-check?
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A Former User last edited by
And now you are just telling falsehoods. You've been shown how to organize bookmarks several times.
Ok best describe will be "no good organization"
Theres like 3 different ways you can get to bookmarks. 4 ways if you are using the developer release. You really need to turn off your selective hearing mate. I know thats the only way you can continue believing that the new Opera is as bad as you say but you really aren't doing anyone any favors with your constant complaining.
More ways to access doesnt mean its easier or better. Easy access = 1 click button with list of my bookmarks. Anyway its about organization not access. But when you mention this... yes accessing is also not very good.
Of course you can set the number of columns. Where do you even come up with this stuff?
Sorry this is my bad. Found it. I just didnt expect it under some advanced options.
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gregorw last edited by
No, I did enter the konami code, both on my original and the fresh installation. I specifically mentioned "always show power user settings" being selected, which becomes available after konami. Still, it is the experimental-start-page flag that controls if the additional thumbnail size settings are available.
Experimental start page enabled:
Experimental start page disabled:
Did you try a standalone installation?
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lando242 last edited by
This reasoning is somewhat lame.
I cannot be so hard to re-implement some of the most wanted old features....Clearly you've never programmed before. Just because you might have some of the same people working on a project doesn't mean you can just magic up a few hundred of pages of design documents, a couple hundred thousand lines of code, test it for function and compatibility and then release it. There is a reason why programmers get paid so much money, its a difficult job. People that don't program think its easy. Try it some time. I dare you clone something as simple a text adventure game from the 1970s in C or C++ in a weekend and have it come out without any bugs when you're done.
Think about it dude. If it was so easy, why did it take the dev team so long to get to Opera 12 to begin with? Look at Vivaldi. Some of the same people made it that worked on the old Opera, yet months later its still a mess. A promising mess but still a mess.
EDIT: Hey, it finally posted. This is that delayed post I mentioned.
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Deleted User last edited by
Think about it dude. If it was so easy, why did it take the dev team so long to get to Opera 12 to begin with?
As you may know Opera 12 did not just appear it was a developement stage from earlier versions. Actually I started working with Opera 5.0 when it became freeware (although ad-sponsored), and I have seen the constant flow of improvement until v12. Sure there were some setbacks (i.e. widgets which were soon abandoned) but there was an overall developement towards improvement until Opera 15 was released. And this is waht I am complaining about.
It is as if Windows 10 would be released only with the functionality of Windows 3.2 and the developper stating that it took sooo long to develop windows 8 one should just wait.... (this is not to say that I consider windows 8 a good OS :-))
See my point?
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A Former User last edited by
As you may know Opera 12 did not just appear it was a developement stage from earlier versions. Actually I started working with Opera 5.0 when it became freeware (although ad-sponsored), and I have seen the constant flow of improvement until v12. Sure there were some setbacks (i.e. widgets which were soon abandoned) but there was an overall developement towards improvement until Opera 15 was released. And this is waht I am complaining about.
It is as if Windows 10 would be released only with the functionality of Windows 3.2 and the developper stating that it took sooo long to develop windows 8 one should just wait.... (this is not to say that I consider windows 8 a good OS :-))
See my point?Its not the same. Yeah Opera 12 was developed very long time but the features are already invented (tabs, tabs stacking, bookmarks, combinated adress bar, buttons, mouse gestures and all behavior) so inventing things is already done. You have to only implement things that you invented. So its not the same as develop whole software from scratch.
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lando242 last edited by
@cyberbrat
It is as if Windows 10 would be released only with the functionality of Windows 3.2 and the developper stating that it took sooo long to develop windows 8 one should just wait....
They had to start over though. All they had to build on was a rendering engine. The interface, the features, everything had to be recreated from scratch because the old interface was not compatible with the new rendering engine. You program something with only an engine to start with. Just because the ideas are there doesn't mean you have the man hours to implement them. Ideas are cheap. Work costs money and time.
@airforce25228
You have to only implement things that you invented. So its not the same as develop whole software from scratch.
As I said, coming up with an idea is one thing, making it happen is a different story. You have to pay someone to write the code, someone to test it. Test it not just with the other moduals but with different operating systems and system configurations. Just because you have an idea doesn't mean you can snap your fingers and the code just appears. I've done programming, its not easy. Its hard. Damn hard. And writing it is maybe 40% of the task. The rest is troubleshooting, testing and tracking down bugs.
How many programmers does Google have working on Chrome? How long were they working on it before its first public release? There were working on a browser on and off for SIX YEARS before its first beta release. Even then they hired programmers away from the Mozilla Firefox dev team to get jump-started. All the ideas were already there, yet it still took them years, why? This was with some of the best and brightest programmers money can buy and a huge budget. Because its no. easy. task. You can't just brainstorm a feature, write out some pseudocode on the back of a napkin and have some monkeys in the back knock out a module over the weekend.
You two seem to have serious misconceptions about how long these kinds of things actually take. Please, enlighten us; how many days/weeks/months should it take a team of say, 40 programmers, to write a web browser from the renderer up? Complete features and all?
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A Former User last edited by
They are just lazy developers. Sorry but they have almost all the work. They have finished browser core from chrome - no work here. They have features from old Opera - no new inventions here. So all what they have to do is build ONLY features aroud browser core and then test it. 2 years to program few features you have to be kidding me?
Someone said that they done this new Opera because maintaining old core was hard so whats hard now?
