I cannot believe that we're on Opera 25 and still don't have CUSTOM DEFAULT SEARCH ENGINE
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Deleted User last edited by
And no need for any name calling (namal23 or cal5760) telling people to shut-up, etc. That's rude and juvenile. We don't need that in the forum. If that's okay, then I say shut the damn forum down. It would be worthless. We all have our own opinions, and if everyone thought the same, the world would be boring.
Appreciate the defense, lem. In general I chalk up that sort of talk to teenagers who lack self-control so I try and cut them some slack. Getting back to the OP, your idea of giving a keyboard shortcut mimics my own of putting the shortcut on the bookmark bar although that necessitates have the bar which many don't want. Therefore, yours is a better solution.
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lem729 last edited by
I don't generally use the bookmarks bar. Now I also set up Duck Duck Go and some others to use from the main Onmi-search bar. So after going to the website of DDG, and right clicking on the search bar there to add the engine, if my cursor happens to be at the Omni address bar, I just type "d" and then my search query. but if my cursor is far away and my hands are on the keyboard, the alt d is simple (that's the shortcut I give the DDG extension), and it immediately puts the cursor in the search box of DDG, making unnecessary having to move the cursor to the search box. Alt d and then I start typing my search.
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treego last edited by
You could also hit f8 which focuses the address bar and then type "d your search text" to do a DDG search.
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radarnyan last edited by
Not cool guys, NOOT COOL
It's been years, every time someone comes up asking for a way to change the default search engine, you guys change the subject to "Hey, there's a number of ways to use your own search engine. What did you say you want to change the default search engine? Ok, let me teach you how to use a non-default search engine."
STOP IT
Google still have my trust so I'm okay with using Google as my default search engine, and been knowing that you can manually edit the "default_partner_content.json" file. Until today, someone asked a way to change the default search engine of Opera and I suggested to edit that file - guess what? It doesn't work anymore!
I understand that ordinary users may break things, that's quiet possible. But why prevent "power user" changing a freaking default search engine?! Come on! You even have a "Power user settings" (to someone don't know, type "UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A" in opera://settings/ , kind of cool hum, it's the Konami code :D) but even that doesn't allow you to do anything as simple as change the default search engine.
Yes, I can use any of my custom search engine by using a keyword search, but I just want to type my search query and hit the enter key because that's what I did for other browsers for years! Why are you forcing me to change my behavior?
Someone from opera team have a very funny excuse saying that limit the default search engine to five is a way to prevent malware blahblahblah... like they're the good guys.
Just face it, you take the money from the search providers and set them as the default search engine
Stop lying. If you really concern about your users, shouldn't you put up a vote like "Which five search engines would you like as defaults"? I'm not a big fan of DuckDuckGo (Like I said I myself is pretty happy with Google) but I've seen numbers of posts requesting that, why didn't it made itself into the list? I guess just because it's a community driven search engine that won't pay you to get itself into the list and you won't receive money when users use it
Want proof? Just open that "default_partner_content.json" file I mentioned, you'll see a lot non-necessary things in the search query like:
utm_source=opera
client=opera
sourceid=opera
...this list goes on and on and on...
Listen to your users, they just want to custom their own search engine!
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Deleted User last edited by
Thanks for the reminder, Treego. I also had forgotten that shortcut. Lem, I'm going to give your method a shot, although I still find my simplified method suitable for me.
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radarnyan last edited by
@namal23 Yes, of course.
As I said, even Google Chrome (Yes, I'm talking about the Google Chrome not Chromium) allows you to choose a search engine other than Google as default search engine, and you can do whatever you want with the default search engines, and you can add your own custom search engine and set it as default.
What we have in Opera? 5 pre-defined search engines, can't edit, can't remove (you can clear the list to only "Google" if you delete the file default_partner_content.json) and you can't set your own custom search engine as default.
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A Former User last edited by admin
All the people in this topic are failing to realize that doesn't matter where the setting is hidden, leaving the file exploitable would allow third-party malware to hijack and change Opera's search engines leaving it as vulnerable as Chrome and Firefox. The other thing you don't analyze is what kind of fairness it'd be if Opera charges Google, Microsoft, Yandex, etc, to include their search engines in the browser but would include DDG and other options for free = it doesn't exist, it's a request that doesn't make sense.
Please read:
About the reason for the limit, the pending anti-hijacking protection.
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namal23 last edited by
All the people in this topic are failing to realize that doesn't matter where the setting is hidden...
I know a good solution for this. MS Windows should only allow IE as default browser. Problem solved. You would be happy with IE as default browser, wouldn't you?
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lem729 last edited by
I agee, misteromar, busy wrecking the Speed Dial that isn't broken.
Now that's aggravating and crazy.As for the search engine, between the extensions (such as DDG for Opera), keyboard shortcuts (that easily open them), typing one letter at the search bar before a query, f8 as an option too, to get instantly into the search bar, for me, the limitation in default engines is not a big deal, if Opera concludes it's safer for the user, AND the other pieces of the browser are there and working. On the other hand, i recognize that everyone has different priorities.
@leushino, the ability to use a keyboard shortcut to open an extension is useful for more than just that DuckDuckGo for Opera extension.
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garbagelol last edited by
Chropera is utter crap. There's much better browsers out there. Just use one of those. The good version of Opera is never coming back.
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A Former User last edited by
I'm pretty sure there some business decisions why you cannot change default search engines. Too bad.
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gregorw last edited by
Here is what I would change given the option:
Google. Use .com instead of the local version, HTTPS and encrypted.google.com for additional privacy. Append &nfpr=1 to turn off auto-correction that keeps second-guessing me ("Showing results for ...", "Did you mean ...").
Wikipedia. Same here, use en.wikipedia.org instead of the local version.
Yahoo. Reassign the "y" keyword to YouTube. I have been using this for years with the old Opera. Tried to get used to "yt" but still unintentionally end up at Yahoo several times a day.
This is not simply about typing a second or different letter, but being forced to unnecessary, tedious, and error-prone relearning. As if someone had decided that swapping Ctrl+T and Ctrl+W was a good idea.
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A Former User last edited by
Google. Use .com instead of the local version...
Wikipedia. Same here, use en.wikipedia.org instead of the local version.:yes:, but I'm guessing if it's actually up to Google - to
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lem729 last edited by
Opera says it's a safety issue. I have no basis to doubt them. Maybe it's a little of both -- business and safety. On the Firefox New Tab page, you get a Google Search bar. Money is a reality, too, I guess, when you're trying to produce a free browser.
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radarnyan last edited by
What is Opera?
Opera is a fast and free alternative browser, made to discover.
(official statement at opera.com)What keeps your system safe&clean from virus/malware?
Antivirus or anti-virus software (often abbreviated as AV), sometimes known as anti-malware software, is computer software used to prevent, detect and remove malicious software.
(via Wikipedia)In what case a user's browser settings like default search engine would be hijacked?
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You ignored or your browser / OS / antivirus software failed to notify you about a unsafe download.
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Your antivirus software fails to warn you when a unsafe executable be launched and fails to protect your system from it.
When the antivirus software fails to protect the system, which means in that case your system would contain some malware or virus, would you really trust a browser to protect you when your system is insecure?
So you mean a browser shouldn't consider security at all?
Of course NOT. A browser could (and should) keep user safe when surfing the internet, which includes (but not limited to)
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Suspend connection and notify user about bad certificate, to secure SSL connections
(but still, provide user a way to access it) -
Warn user about a known unsafe site that may contain malware
(but still, allow user to access it anyway and prevent danger scripts to harm user's system, that's why we have sandbox in Chromium) -
Warn user about a unsafe download, for example when it's a known malware
(but still, if user decide to run it anyways, it's antivirus software's job to prevent system from being damaged)
And what about locking the default search engine?
When your system is insecure, locking the default search engine means nothing.
Locking the default search engine means NOTHING
(I said it twice since it's important)
The attacker could, for example, change your DNS server to attacker's without you even know it. In that case, when you're trying to access a site (let's say Google.com) it could be resolved to attacker's site. It's not hard for the attacker to add his own certificate as trusted, so in this case https can't protect you. Your connection would be still be encrypted, but not to Google's server, to attacker's server.
Is it necessary to have some protection on search engine?
Absolutely yes. But NOT like what Opera does.
Let's take a look at what Google Chrome does about search engines:
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There are build-in search engines. But you can edit them, remove them (all) as you wish.
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You can add your own custom search engine, and set it as default.
So how does Google Chrome prevent unwanted change to search engine?
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A extension could add a search engine, but may not override the default settings without user knowing it.
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A extension couldn't be installed without user knowing it.
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A extension doesn't come from Chrome Web Store will be disabled at every startup of browser (on stable/beta channels only)
In short: Google Chrome prevents search engine settings being changed without user knowing it while using the browser.
In conclusion, a browser, should offer user a safe Internet experience, but should never try to protect user's system outside the browser - We have antivirus softwares to do that.
But... but they said it's about safety
They might be trying to do so, but it's a completely pointless, meaningless move.
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