General Opera One Feedback Topic
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Denizen976 last edited by leocg@thedoubletap First, thank you for documenting so well. Second, you're a brave person (Using Edge). Third...
I guess I don't really have a third, but I will echo - Opera needs some serious work.Let me tell you about my divorce because of Opera...
I am a bad browser. I will have many, many tabs open. Some will be in Tab Islands. Many of those will be there accidentally. Other, related tabs, will be off on their own, in shark infested waters, I guess.
I will wind up opening additional windows, thinking this will help me organize... i.e.,- email-related tabs wind up at one side of one window... but every link clicked on, winds up in that same window.
- Another window will have tabs to AI image generation, AI chats, AI news, and random links from those tabs.
- Another window will have social media things
- Another window will have other technical, programming, etc.
- Aaand another one will have electronics, etc.
I usually wind up with links spread sporadically across all of them... all windows will have some YT video, the Social Media one will have login tabs for banking or AI chat. The AI one will have tabs for "X", it's all just 'orible.
My memory is full. I mean, really full. Like, 10 pounds of manure in a 4 pound sack, full. 471 tabs across 5 windows? Oh... not counting the Private window.
And periodically, I try to at least inventory. I can't save a window's worth of tabs, like in any regular browser. No. I have to save a windows worth of tabs to a speed dial. That's it's own type of insanity.
"But that's OK, because you can just move speed dials to bookmarks!" Argh. That's total insanity.Although... I did (just) learn that I can open a bookmarks TAB, and, I can export the whole shebang to a file and edit it IN an external text editor, to get my bookmarks from the speed dial tabs.
Insanity.
So, I figure I'll try Workspaces again. Tried 'em before, didn't understand the concept, so, quit. Read a bit on it, "maybe workspaces can be used kind of like profiles!"
Spend hours (sob) setting up workspaces for the organization I was trying to get. I'm thinking, "Hey, I know it's not really documented WHY they are or WHAT they do, but somebody said this worked for them..."
I should have inventoried everything before I started - but I was brave - and besides, I was maybe a hours away from Opera expiring on it's own and being so full of tabs that it takes 20 minutes to reopen.
Set up 5 general workspaces, to generally match what should have been organized in the windows, but hey, I'm not that good.
Spend hours weeding through and sending tab islands to the proper window, and assigning to specific workspaces. Hey, I'm beginning to like the idea!
Wow, got all Social stuff with all email stuff with ... basically, any signin not otherwise aligned.
Got all my AI stuff declared to the AI workspace and in the same window.
Etc., etc.
I'm keeping an eye on my memory... it's inching higher still... the Opera windows freeze for a few seconds in between operations... the outlines haunting me like ghosts. Reproachful ghosts.
Okay, time for the big experiment. Close two windows... memory comes down. Close the media/email one... memory goes down. Close the tech/battery/whatever window. Only AI left open. Cool!
If Workspaces work the way described, I should be able to shut Opera down, bring it back up, and go to any workspace, retrieve all the tabs saved to that workspace, in the last state, log-ins and all, and be merrily on my way using oh... 30% of the memory I was?
Open Opera. Ok. AI tabs. Now. Open a fresh window, and Click another workspace.
Nothing.
Nothing?
nothing!?
A different workspace. A couple of tabs. Correct topics, but only 5 or 7 out of the 60 or so that were assigned to that workspace?!
A different workspace. Nothing.I'm not against grown men showing emotion. I cry when dogs die. I shed a tear for friends who have passed. I sniffle over how much I love my kids.
Opera has caused a grown man to break down in sobs of agony, writhing on the floor, kicking the computer desk, over turning the chair, causing his wife to come running to see what happened.... all she sees is a grown man weeping openly, tearing out great handfuls of his hair.
"Who died?! What great tragedy has befallen us?!!" She's starting to get frantic, tearing up, expecting the worst, ready to rend her garments and join her husband in whatever fresh hell has been visited upon our family! "What is it, husband mine?"
"Opera," I manage to whisper, croaking out the cause of my pain, through cracked lips. "It's... Opera."
She's confused. She's wondering if it's a tragic opera I'm comparing life to.
She is wondering if we're broke, destitute, penniless, if we'll be cast out into the snow next month (We're in May, in the 35th degree latitudes... it'll be hot soon).
"My browser crapped out, I lost all my hard-won tabs. It's gone. It's all gone." (For me, "crapped out" is pretty strong language, in front of my wife.)
She knows beans about my computer. Or my browser. And I should probably delete my history, but anyway.
"What?" She's still concerned, but now she's concerned about if it would be considered justifiable homicide, and, if she can get the blood stains out, could she turn the room into a sewing room or something.
Okay... it turns out I didn't divorced. Only a broken arm and a couple bruises.
But I blame it all on Opera.
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Nikopol1821 last edited by
I have settings for Wallet stuff I dont use, AI stuff I dont want but cant decide what my standard search engine is? Instead I have to type in some code stuff every time that doesnt work for me to use the search engine of my choice? I find this very hard to use and I dont get it, its way easier in all other browsers I used before since they simply give you the option to type in your own standard search engine unlike Opera.
Also the settings for how a new tab should behave are very limited? I can set up what site Opera shows when I start the browser (not even a new window counts I have to quit Opera completely and re-open it) but not what site I want when opening a new tab? I dont want to close the whole browser to have "quick" access to my most visited site and the quick access tiles are nice but really just fancy bookmarks, quicker would be - like in every other browser again - just let me edit what site to show when opening a new tab?I dont know if im missing literally everything in the settings where you can actually edit all these things or are they just not available in Opera which I find hard to believe, such a fancy browser (honestly) but this pretty common basic settings stuff is missing? I really would like to use Opera and hope im just missing something or misunderstand the settings. Would appreciate it if someone could help me.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@nikopol1821 It's been a while that browsers no longer have a "home page" that is loaded every time you open a new tab.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@nikopol1821 Regarding search engines, as known only the pre-defined ones can be set as the default search engine.
It was said that it is for security reasons back on the time it was introduced.
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ToKkHi last edited byI am gonna stop using opera. I downloaded it because chrome used too much ram but when I started using opera, the difference between these two were obvious. Chrome is definitely more comfortable to use.For example, when you close the last tab on chrome it also closes the chrome itself but it doesnt happen on opera. I get it a lot of people uses that way but still this is not a new issue nor I am the only one who wanted to use it.They could have at least put a setting for it. Or when you import history,passwords etc. they dont work like they should.Or the mobile browser and the windows browser doesnt even sync like the chrome not history not bookmarks, you have to do it all for the mobile app too.After all,I dont like chrome but with excluding the ram issue chrome is better than opera in any way.
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Denizen976 last edited by
I recently tried to migrate from my pervious Opera One to Opera One GX ... Because...
- Let's you limit amount of ram taken up,
Haven't tested yet - Let's you import bookmarks
Not on my computer - Let's you create profiles...
Pretty useless and awkward
I have moved the below content to here, because I was clotting up a post on Aria disappearing.
Transferred content:
I also updated to use Opera GX, on the thought that I could transfer over my existing windows and tabs, and be able to limit the amount of RAM that they take up. My results from that:-
I tried the concept of WorkSpaces in the original Opera One - I am less than satisfied. Spent a couple of hours trying to organize all of my tabs across 5 open windows, into themed workspaces in each window, then tried to move from that to each window having a single workspace. I lost workspaces in other windows, they didn't transfer correctly. Workspaces seemed associated with the original window, and when I thought I was cleaning out, moving to other workspaces in other windows, then closing the current window, it lost everything in the subsequent workspaces, and the tabs in that window, because: other windows are open, you've modded your session..
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No luck trying to save/export the many tabs across 5 windows. No way to "save all tabs as bookmarks". The best you can do with "save all tabs as SpeedDial". I don't know what that does for tabs in separate workspaces, but I'm guessing that you have to visit each workspace in each windows, and save all tabs from that workspace into a speeddial.
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There is NO good way to move contents of a speeddial into bookmarks.
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I wound up pushing all tabs from all 5 windows into Speed Dial entries, figuring that was the way to save my window tab content.
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External recovery MAY be possible: I basically have backed up files names "Tabs" and "Sessions", but it's approaching 8 MB of data, and I don't have the patience to go through it.
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I exported all bookmarks, and speed dials, and PW info, etc. From the Bookmark TAB (vs side menu access), it says that I can export bookmarks, as well as Speed Dials, etc.
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Import into Opera GX did not work, on any level. No sessions, no bookmarks, no speeddials... no PWs. Not happy, devs.
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Opera GX is supposed to get you have "Profiles". It almost kinda sorta does, but not in any useful way. You can force separate profiles as separate Opera Links - but there's no way to go to a specific profile, or switch to another profile from w/in GX. You basically have to PIN each "profile" to your (Windows) Start Bar, to be able to access them. Basically, I have 5 pinned "O"'s taking up room on the task bar... There's not enough contrast between the icon colors,. If you hover over the icon, after a few seconds, it will have a pop=up that tells you what you named that "profile", but it's super tiny.
This is substandard design, substandard UI, and a substandard "features list" - as most of what I'm tried has failed, and I've lost work.
- Let's you limit amount of ram taken up,
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SWK058 last edited by@error-user-not-found On that bar nothing needs a second click.
DL to a other dir.
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SWK058 last edited by
@denizen976 Thanks for honest end: I have brandnew 8core: if you don't use it: close it. Edge takes 700 mb RAM, plus edgeview etc, uninstall as much possible and close tabs/progs
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Nikopol1821 last edited by
@leocg how could there be any reason at all opera not allowing their users to change new tab page? like its not a hard thing to do and i really dont see why they shouldnt allow that? seems like the opposite of user friendly and innovative
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@nikopol1821 Not that difficult to think of a reason for them to not allow it.
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Nikopol1821 last edited by
@leocg what is the reason then not allowing users to customise the browser in a useful way? i thought the devs want me to use their product why they make it so hard to use then? surprisingly useless answer for a mod btw
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@nikopol1821 Probably the same why they don't allow you to set up a custom search engine as the default one.
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Nikopol1821 last edited by
@leocg probably, so you dont know, okay. opera seem to have a lot of excuses for having useless functions which some you cant even disable and for not having functions that many consider standard for a browser, weird way for devs who want people to use their product but maybe thats just me.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
@nikopol1821 As an user, I can only make speculations about the reasons for Opera not allowing those things.
Officially, custom search engines stopped being allowed for security reasons, to avoid them being hijacked by malware. Searches are also the main source of revenue of a browser.
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Leuchtfeuer812 last edited by@nikopol1821 You can't set custom search engines as standard, but you can enable them, generally, and create a shortcut for the address bar like "e" for Ecosia for example.
Of course, it's not that convenient to type an "e" or whatever before your search item, but that's the way it is.
You can also set your custom search engine as your "home page".
For me personally, it's all and well to have DuckDuckGo in the selection, offered by Opera. I'd probably use Ecosia as well. Unfortunately it's not quite as straightforward to set Startpage as a custom engine or Brave, if you like. -
Jehoram last edited by
Great product! As a dedicated Chrome user, I can now say that it's better; except it can never be my main browser. Why I hear you cry! Because it does not support Roboform, it's a simple as that. And no, before you say, I don't work for Roboform.
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dinesh12321 last edited by
I don't like to change the default browser without asking permission. Because, i already set for my preferance so you should not change the automatically without my permission. I think it's not legal.
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Falt1 last edited by
Just installed opera-developer from the aur today, and I can say that there is only three reasons I cannot switch from my current browser. These three things are: No tab cycle mouse gesture(I use click upward for this), secondly no way to hide the url bar, and thirdly no way to hide tabs. I currently use vivaldi and I'm able to hide everything I don't need and I'm able to configure everything else through mouse gestures. I hope these features can be added to opera.
