opera 20 vs Chrome
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biggerabalone last edited by
cfpct:
interesting that several people replied and no one gave a reason for using opera 20 over chrome. the truth is, chrome has more to offer. but here's a few reasons:
-i like the red `O'
-no startups added to windows
-possibly diminished privacy concerns verses chrome? i've been corrected on this, so i'm not sure.perhaps someone will reply with more ...
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burnout426 Volunteer last edited by
Why should I switch from Chrome to Opera 20?
Can't really think of any reasons at the moment other than loyalty. Chrome with the FVD Speed Dial and the Gestures for Chrome extensions make it pretty hard to consider Opera.
Chrome does close the window when you close the last tab though. Most Chrome extensions that prevent that don't work 100% of the time though. The Chrome Toolbox extension worked the best with that, but even it failed sometimes and the last time I used it, it caused problems with youtube. So, Opera has a little advantage here. But, if you use Chrome long enough, you get used to the window closing on you and it doesn't become a problem as Chrome loads so fast.
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Deleted User last edited by
How about this... Google is evil. Google does not care one iota for our privacy. Google has a cavalier attitude when it comes to doing as it pleases UNTIL a country decides to clip its wings by fining it. I've heard more disgruntled Opera users say the new Opera is just like Chrome and then in the same breath that they're off to make Chrome their default browser. Uh... no thank you. If I "must" leave Opera it will NOT be for Google Chrome but rather for Mozilla Firefox which is open source and a far sight more concerned about our privacy than Google ever will be.
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zzzxtreme last edited by
last time i remembered about opera was i could setup smtp/pop, irc, i could right-click on bookmarks dropdown, set tabs in windowed mode (MDI) , set timed-reload (like very 5 or 7 minutes), all those important features to me all gone now in latest opera. I really really wish there's a paid version that has all that classic features.
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A Former User last edited by
So my question is this? Why should I switch from Chrome to Opera 20? I tried Opera 15 and dump it immediately because I though it was a stripped down version of Chrome. What does Opera 20 over that Chrome doesn't that would make me switch.
That question was already answered many times in the old forum.About the claim that it's a stripped down version of Chrome:
15.0, the very first version, really lacked some options like fonts and start-up settings, yes, but that and other lacking options have been already implemented soon after (note: it acted as "Continue from last time" which is the option I use and I suspect most other Opera users use anyway and that's why they decided to launch the browser as stable even before implementing it).
Today (Opera 20), it's not a stripped down version of Chrome at all. The only things that it hasn't compared to it are a classic bookmarks menu and manager that opens on its own tab (and the mechanism for matching bookmarks the address field which I'm confident will be implemented soon), sync which is coming back soon and the ability to set another search engine as default (as Opera wants to implement some kind of hijacking protection before giving us this option so it can't be hijacked like Chrome is easily by Babylon, etc).Still, I don't think it's fair to call even the first version a stripped down version of Chrome.
Please remember that for Opera 15+ they stripped Chromium's UI layer and built their own, and in systems like Mac OS X, Windows Vista, 7 and 8 it looks a lot more native than Chrome and the interface arrangement is very different.Some things Opera removes are benign for us. I don't want NaCl in the browser I use or the latest other non-standardized crap Google is pushing in their agenda for example. Opera is closest to pure web standards (as in W3C) and the web I support is a web that is accessible via any browser and platform, NOT exclusive to Chromium / Google-blessed browsers/patforms as NaCl and other technologies they're pushing is.
Opera has an amount of features that aren't present in Chrome and makes it unique. Yes you could install dozens of extensions in Chrome or Firefox to mimic them, by why should I do this? Opera is where the people that pioneered stuff are (multiple documents in one window that turned into tabs, sessions, zoom, integrated web search AFAIK, Speed Dial new tab page, browser data synchronization, click-to-play plug-ins) so by using Opera you give the merit to the right people.
- Speed Dial, where you can choose exactly what and how many pages you want, and now with folders. You can personalize it with a background or use the built-in theme creator to make additional tweaks. And it also has advanced configuration options.
- Off-road for poor networks, saving data/plan/money or for accessing that site your ISP/DNS is not handling well.
- Built-in additional shortcuts like Ctrl+Shift+V for Paste & Go (yes you'll have do install an extension just for that in Fx/Chrome)
- Built-in mouse and rocker gestures
- Access to all your search engines in the selected text right-click menu, another annoyance that you'd need to grab an extension to solve in other browsers.
- Up to a recent Chrome version you had to open a new tab only so you could open the list of closed tabs that when clicked opened yet another tab. Now you can access the list via the menu like you can in Opera but you're still limited to the last 10 closed tabs while Opera's closed tabs list is limitless.
- Some people are finding Stash useful, maybe they can give some tips on how to use it and for what. It displays saved pages' screenshots and indexes some page content to quickly filter using the search box.
- The present bookmarks bar is praised by some people who use it, I think it has to do with the drag and drop features on it and the context menus.
- There are some desired behaviors in Opera that I don't think I could configure in Chrome like TAB that only cycles through form elements (it's default). It makes a lot of difference in my browsing experience.
- The downloads pop-up is more discrete than the Chrome downloads toolbar.
- I once saw an add-on that couldn't be disabled/deleted in Chrome's plug-ins page, but in Opera I could disable it normally.
- There are advanced keyboard shortcuts. I think there's a manual way to configure them and they plan to make them configurable via GUI.
- They're promising improvements to the tabs handling and a redesigned tab cycler. You can see some development going on to make the browser able to handle a higher number of tabs.
- You can find some unique tweaks in opera://flags
- There are more small things and there are more things planned, some they told us and of course some that they didn't told us about yet.
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lem729 last edited by
Rafaelik,
You said on the Speed Dial, you can choose exactly what and how many pages you want. I see how you can choose how many speed dial items you want. And you can put items together into a folder. But it seems you are still limited to one page in Opera 20. If I'm missing something, please explain how you can set up multiple speed dial pages, the way you can, for instance, with Fox Tab Speed Dial 9.2.1 in Chrome.
By the way, it was helpful of you to list some of the ways Opera is distinct from Chrome. However, for people who feel Chrome has so many more extensions than Opera 20 at this point, I just discovered tonight that you now have an Opera Extension that lets you use Chrome extensions from the Chrome Store. It's called "Download Chrome Extension." So in addition to the Opera extensions, all of the Chrome extensions seem to be available for use now in Opera 20. Indeed, I downloaded one, and it worked.
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biggerabalone last edited by
lol, rafaelluik said opera isn't a stripped down version of chrome, cuz it has features like: "The downloads pop-up is more discrete than the Chrome downloads toolbar". these are weak, where's the beef? (and the bookmarks bar is not a distingishing feature, chrome had it first).
-chromes got beef:
-nacl is important and a true stand out. it makes chrome a formible gaming platform. gaming is big business. and have no doubt, chrome will push this as a standard, and eventually opera will have to impliment it or fold.
-chrome has a sandbox and is more secure than opera
-chrome has a process monitor. very handy when your browser is slow so you can isolate the crap addon doing it.
-chrome has over 100x more addons and extensions then opera (of which, fvd speed dial is better than opera's speed dial. it has more features and is customizable)
-chromes online backup is great. i can load it on any computer with my preferences and bookmarks etc.-removing large feature sets does make opera a stripped down version. i hate chrome, but i'm not blind.
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biggerabalone last edited by
How about this... Google is evil. Google does not care one iota for our privacy. Google has a cavalier attitude when it comes to doing as it pleases UNTIL a country decides to clip its wings by fining it. I've heard more disgruntled Opera users say the new Opera is just like Chrome and then in the same breath that they're off to make Chrome their default browser. Uh... no thank you. If I "must" leave Opera it will NOT be for Google Chrome but rather for Mozilla Firefox which is open source and a far sight more concerned about our privacy than Google ever will be.
no, the danger is you will migrate to chrome because it offers so much more ... diminishing the privacy concerns (though opera does also have privacy concerns). i'm forced to have chrome on my computer for my kids, they love the games. it's like a nintendo system. i tried to use other chrome clones, and they could play many of the games, but the move advanced ones (nacl) they couldn't. furthermore, many online games exist and flash games etc: chromes sandbox helps secure my system from these dangers. an infected flash game would likely jump straight through opera and into my system. even ie has an excellent sandbox (protected mode). why should i have to download sandboxie to run with opera?
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burma-road last edited by
If you hover over the link box, those three horizontal lines in the banner next to where it says Opera forums, you will get a dropdown box saying...
Opera Browser
Choose a better browser.
I did, I chose Chrome.
Thanks for the suggestion Opera, the best thing you have done for quite a while. -
burma-road last edited by
What's with the reformatting of posts to word wrap?
We are not allowed to have paragraphs like grown ups?Also.....
The arrogance of Opera astounds me. I also lost my Blog and all the images that I had posted, yes I had backups but all the work in formatting and arrangement is now lost. The pitiful support for retrieving content was as good as useless. The guidelines almost non existent and the solutions abysmal I tried downloading in the format given for Wordpress and all I got was text I could have just copied and pasted to a new blog of my choice, which would have been blogger, but after wasting so much time with the totally useless so called support I gave up and started from scratch. After years of convincing others to move to what used to be one of the best browsers, built in mail client and the superb Notes feature, all now gone from the latest version that now resembles a cobbled together copy of Firefox, I have now got many people asking me what to do about their lost content, I have no solutions for them. I am appalled by the attitude of the once fine folks at Opera and in future will recommend people to avoid it like the plague. You guys really suck.
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A Former User last edited by
lol, rafaelluik said opera isn't a stripped down version of chrome, cuz it has features like: "The downloads pop-up is more discrete than the Chrome downloads toolbar". these are weak, where's the beef? (and the bookmarks bar is not a distingishing feature, chrome had it first).
Fail, way to filter what I said. You want to pass as clever and ironic, but happily other real smart people can read my full list above and see how fake you are.
Opera had a bookmarks bar long before Chrome come into existence.-nacl is important and a true stand out. it makes chrome a formible gaming platform
Nope, the only thing it makes is turn Chrome into a browser that doesn't respect the true open web standards.
chrome will push this as a standard, and eventually opera will have to impliment it or fold
So you like bullies! How sweet. You like supporting a big corporation pushing their agenda on other's throats and leaving the ideals and morals at the door, that's something that I'll never do.
-chrome has a sandbox and is more secure than opera
AFAIK, Opera uses the same sandbox as Chromium.
-chrome has a process monitor. very handy when your browser is slow so you can isolate the crap addon doing it.
Opera has the same process monitor. You must enable the developer tools in menu -> more tools, then you'll be able to find it in the Developer tools menu.
-chrome has over 100x more addons and extensions then opera
No, Google Chrome has a catalog with more add-ons, because that's where the devs uploaded their extensions, but Opera is compatible with nearly all of those extensions and the ones that aren't compatible yet are just because Opera is still implementing some missing APIs in each new major version.
-chromes online backup is great. i can load it on any computer with my preferences and bookmarks etc.
No, you can load it in any computer which runs Chrome. Opera's online backup is the one you can access in any computer, via https://link.opera.com. Opera Link just isn't implemented in the newest stable version yet.
-removing large feature sets does make opera a stripped down version. i hate chrome, but i'm not blind.
I disagree.
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A Former User last edited by
What's with the reformatting of posts to word wrap?
We are not allowed to have paragraphs like grown ups?Only if you are a grown up
but judging from your completely off-topic post in this thread (unless there's a secret e-mail client and notes feature in Chrome that I don't know about??) I'm afraid I can't tell you about the markdown formatting these forums accept. -
A Former User last edited by
I see how you can choose how many speed dial items you want. And you can put items together into a folder. But it seems you are still limited to one page in Opera 20. If I'm missing something, please explain how you can set up multiple speed dial pages, the way you can, for instance, with Fox Tab Speed Dial 9.2.1 in Chrome.
You can't, and I can't see the point of wanting multiple pages when we can have folders with the same number of columns already.
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biggerabalone last edited by
rafaelluik - your feature list was shallow, i just pointed out one of your more amusing reasons to use opera. you wrote it, not me.
but you did do something in your reply that opera hasn't. you marketed opera successfully. i didn't know opera had a sandbox, or a task manager. that is a weakness in opera's marketing strategy. i did know they have a chrome app (i use it), but it is a little disingenuous to claim you're not chromopera and yet use googles apps and googles store. these strengths should be common knowledge. opera needs to work on this.
as for nacl, google is slowly directing (if not dictating) the direction web standards go (and have gone). they will act in googles interest and not for the good of the web (which is what they should do, and their stock prices reflect that). that is presumably why opera ditched presto and was forced to implement blink.
"So you like bullies! How sweet. You like supporting a big corporation pushing their agenda on other's throats and leaving the ideals and morals at the door, that's something that I'll never do".
sorry, i thought i was at the grown-up's table. and how you got that from me saying " i hate chrome" is mysterious.
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A Former User last edited by
rafaelluik - your feature list was shallow, i just pointed out one of your more amusing reasons to use opera. you wrote it, not me.
It's not shallow, it'd require installing a lot of extensions in Chrome (if the ones as replacement for everything I said exist at all) just to get it up to Opera's level of built-in features and thereafter you could start thinking about adding other extensions for other features.
You quoted one of the most irrelevant differences, but it's still a sign of how Chrome and Opera do UX differently so you can pick which one is the best for you. A lot of people who say they don't want the bookmarks bar justify it by saying they don't want a bar unnecessarily occupying their screen maybe others won't want Chrome's obtrusive downloads bar.So you like bullies! How sweet. You like supporting a big corporation pushing their agenda on other's throats and leaving the ideals and morals at the door, that's something that I'll never do.
sorry, i thought i was at the grown-up's table. and how you got that from me saying " i hate chrome" is mysterious.Here's what you said about NaCl: "-nacl is important and a true stand out. it makes chrome a formible gaming platform. gaming is big business. and have no doubt, chrome will push this as a standard, and eventually opera will have to impliment it or fold."
You highlighted it as if it's a good point in favor of Chrome, and you seem to think it's amazing that they'll push it into other throats since it's so "important and a true stand out (...) formidable" - if you don't think it's amazing the only other interpretation from what you said is that you don't care, which equally harms the web's cross-browser standards. If that's not supporting a bully corp that disrespects the W3C and WHATWG open web standards goals then I don't know what it is.it is a little disingenuous to claim you're not chromopera and yet use googles apps and googles store.
What do you mean by "Chromopera"? As you can see from my previous posts Opera's features and values are very different from Google Chrome.
It's not disingenuous to go to the only site where the Chromium extension developers cared to upload their extensions, they created that dependency not Opera. -
biggerabalone last edited by
amusing. chromes not forcing anything down your throats. it is offering a good feature that makes its browser better and you can adapt or die. at one time, opera used to try that. gaming is big business. and guess what, my kids don't know or care who google is, they just like the games: the feature attracts them.
sadly, you reflect the problem with opera and its marketing. instead of positively focusing on the feature set that intrigued me and prompted query, you choose to reinforce your personal attack on me by questioning my character based on some bizarre association of equating the liking of a feature to supporting bullies. sad really.
it is disingenuous. we all understand you're paid to disagree.
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A Former User last edited by
amusing. chromes not forcing anything down your throats. it is offering a good feature that makes its browser better and you can adapt or die. (...) gaming is big business. and guess what, my kids don't know or care who google is, they just like the games: the feature attracts them.
The possibility of having slaves may attract a lot of people and it'd be very profitable, that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
NaCl is not a web standard that's what matters. It did not pass the process to become a open web standard so only then it should be shipped by all the browser vendors. The result is the "feature" locks your kids into Chrome if they want to play those games, which means it's the opposite of the goal of the web of being available in any browser.it is disingenuous. we all understand you're paid to disagree.
I'm not paid by Opera, I'm genuinely disagreeing with you and justifying why but since you are unable to reply to my argument you rely on manufacturing lies about my life.
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biggerabalone last edited by
again you lower yourself to personal attacks: referring to me or anyone that points out a good feature in chrome as being "slaves".
while you may not want people knowing you're an employee, through multiple forum topics you have already shown your hand. anyone that's read the "Jon von Tetzchner, Opera's founder and former CEO spoke to The Register" topic can plainly see it. so i guess you should temper your personal attacks, 'cuz they reflect on opera personally.
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grandadmiralthrawn last edited by
No, rafalluik is correct.
Vendor Lock-ins are always wrong. Never ever shall a feature be provided by only one vendor. Either it becomes open to all people, or freedom will be endangered. It has been the same with IBM, Microsoft, Apple, now Google. Also EMC², HP (personal experience on the storage side), you name it. Everybody tries to lock you into his jail.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the new Opera 20 either. But freedom is always more important than convenience. Instead of teaching the next generation to give in to convenience, we should teach it to fight for freedom. That is at least my personal opinion.
By calling it "slavery", rafalluik has chosen some harsh words, but I do understand that actually. I have called the same name on different users of Apple software, Google cloud services, even Microsoft users (and for gods sake, I partially am one myself still even if it's just XP x64, and I DON'T LIKE myself for that).
Whenever a way is harder than the other one, it seems it's the right one these days. For whenever "free" becomes too easy, it seems it's more like turning the user into the product being sold.
But that's market philosophy... Probably the wrong thread for that.
A good feature in Chrome (I think) is not just a good feature. It's a lure to draw you into a non-free environment.. with promises of GPL tacked on. And the backstabbing starts after you join..
Maybe I'm seeing things in a too dramatic fashion. I dunno. Maybe I should just go back to pure "free as in free beer" software and use FireFox/WaterFox/Iceweasel..
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biggerabalone last edited by
No, rafalluik is correct.
Vendor Lock-ins are always wrong. Never ever shall a feature be provided by only one vendor. Either it becomes open to all people, or freedom will be endangered. It has been the same with IBM, Microsoft, Apple, now Google. Also EMC², HP (personal experience on the storage side), you name it. Everybody tries to lock you into his jail.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the new Opera 20 either. But freedom is always more important than convenience. Instead of teaching the next generation to give in to convenience, we should teach it to fight for freedom. That is at least my personal opinion.
By calling it "slavery", rafalluik has chosen some harsh words, but I do understand that actually. I have called the same name on different users of Apple software, Google cloud services, even Microsoft users (and for gods sake, I partially am one myself still even if it's just XP x64, and I DON'T LIKE myself for that).
Whenever a way is harder than the other one, it seems it's the right one these days. For whenever "free" becomes too easy, it seems it's more like turning the user into the product being sold.
But that's market philosophy... Probably the wrong thread for that.
A good feature in Chrome (I think) is not just a good feature. It's a lure to draw you into a non-free environment.. with promises of GPL tacked on. And the backstabbing starts after you join..
Maybe I'm seeing things in a too dramatic fashion. I dunno. Maybe I should just go back to pure "free as in free beer" software and use FireFox/WaterFox/Iceweasel..i agree with you and am an adamant opensource guy: i even advocate for opera to opensource its presto engine:). google has too much momentum and power and it concerns me. everyone is addicted to their money - and honestly they don't seem to have a choice. opera profits from googles' searches and from google footing the bill for blink. even open source firefox received 300 million from google for searches. eventually, these companies get used to that money, they grow, hire more staff, company shares go up, etc. they're in bed with someone who's business interests are adversarial to them. what happens if google decides to turn off the taps? would opera fold? their shares would likely plummet as investors scare easily. firefox would have to fire a lot of staff but would likely continue, though at a diminished pace. but you're correct, this is the wrong place for such conjecture.
