Opera 20: what the hell is "Discover"?
-
Deleted User last edited by
I'm jus trying out Opera 20 to see if they finally made a browser worthy of being called Opera (it's not - but nearly there).
So I noticed there's a tab "Discover" in the speed dail. What the hell is that? Some kind of news feed, but what is it exactly that I'm looking at? Where is it pulling all that stuff from? It seems extremely American... How can I set up which sources Opera uses for this Discover thing? I do like it, but I hate the kind of content it displays - I want my nerd news in there.
-
-
Deleted User last edited by
Not really what I was hoping for. I'd like to enter a couple of websites (RSS feeds?) that it should display.
These categories are too obscure for my liking/needs.To clarify further, when I select SCIENCE (why is it in capitals, I don't know) I don't get the sciency news that I'm after. The news that it does display is vaguely sciency, but not a single one is from a source that I'm used to.
-
-
frenzie last edited by
It's like a built-in http://portal.opera.com/ except I think that one's better.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by missingno:
Not sure what you're trying to tell me.
Originally posted by Frenzie:
It's like a built-in http://portal.opera.com/ except I think that one's better.
So it can't be customised?
-
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by thany:
What the hell is that? Some kind of news feed, but what is it exactly that I'm looking at?
You are looking at the result of a money-making arrangement between the Opera Company and various news sources:
Opera delivers a captive audience to them, and is in return payed for page impressions delivered via 'Discover'.As you have noticed, you cannot select anything about these sources beyond your country of origin.
This is intentional, for obvious reasons.If you want to stick with Opera 15+ and still read the feeds of your choice, you will have to install a separate reader.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Frenzie:
It's like a built-in http://portal.opera.com/ except I think that one's better.
Well, you no longer can customize this one, either: the log-in option for registered users seems to be gone from the site.
Remember, back in 2009:
Log in now to customize your Portal
By Espen André ØverdahlEspenAO. Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:29:15 PMWouldn't be absolutely fantastic to have your Opera Portal customized the way you want it?
Customize it with your own colours, add the content you want to see, move around the content boxes to suit your tastes and a lot more.
This can be easily done by just signing up or logging in. And we have made it easier for you - you can even use your My Opera, Google or Yahoo accounts to log in and customize your Portal.
http://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2009/07/21/log-in-now-to-customize-your-portal
-
missingno last edited by
Originally posted by thany:
Not sure what you're trying to tell me.
I think "Discover" is your guide to the internet you don't want to have.
-
A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by Sawo:
If you want to stick with Opera 15+ and still read the feeds of your choice, you will have to install a separate reader.
Or install the Standalone Presto-based Opera Email Client
-
frenzie last edited by
Originally posted by Sawo:
Well, you no longer can customize this one, either: the log-in option for registered users seems to be gone from the site.
Oh, you're right.
I'd swear it was still there just a month or two ago. As you can tell I don't really use it; I just think it iswas better.Originally posted by Opera Portal:
Only logged in users can use the OPML import feature. Please login through News Portal.
Follow the link:
Originally posted by Opera Portal:
This page cannot be found.
The page you are looking for could not be found. It may be temporarily or permanently unavailable, or you may have misspelled the address (URL).
Go back to the home page.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by Sawo:
If you want to stick with Opera 15+ and still read the feeds of your choice, you will have to install a separate reader.
Or install the Standalone Presto-based Opera Email Client
Quite right, but aas for a separate program I've already got QuiteRSS. Quite a good RSS reader, iyam. It just would be nice to have that sort of stuff integrated in the browser, and the Discover tab seems the place to do that.
But it's not customizable. Opera going anti-consumer too with their content deals?
Since when can you no longer customize every bit and bolt of this browser? That's the sole reason I chose Opera, some 12 years ago! -
Deleted User last edited by
But it's not customizable. Opera going anti-consumer too with their content deals?
Since when can you no longer customize every bit and bolt of this browser? That's the sole reason I chose Opera, some 12 years ago!If you want the official answer to that question, it can be found here: The vision behind Opera 15 and beyond
over the years, Presto-based Opera had become overloaded with features, a number of them confusing rather than helping our users — you can’t imagine how many reports we’ve gotten from users telling us that their favorite site was broken, simply because they had turned on fit-to-width by accident, for instance.
Unofficially, I'd say the Opera company simply wanted to increase profits by minimizing the costs for development and customer support (including sites like my.opera.com).
Opera is fa more successful on mobile devices than on the desktop, so this is where they are concentrating their efforts now. No wonder Opera 15+ looks and feels like a smartphone browser.
In this vein, I wouldn't be surprised if the Opera stand-alone mail clients never gets updated beyond 1.0, and Linux versions abandoned entirely.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Overload of features is bad design, not too many features. Doesn't mean dumbing down the browser is the solution, because it clearly isn't. But that is still beside the point. The point is Discover, for which I started thinking: what's the point?? Opera is in no poiition to dictate what sort of content goes to my browser, so why on earth would they disable any sort of customization from Discover?
I don't think any other browser has it, so they could make it a USP. Yet, they manage to cripple it by making it impossible to choose which sources are being pulled from. Opera has made some bad desicion in the past year or so, and this is just one more in their repertoire of bad decisions.
@Opera: fix this. Just fix this. I don't care how much money you're getting for all that useless crap content, I'm not reading it anyway. I'm reading the sort of news I'm interested in, not the news that you want me to be interested in. What am I to you now, a product like we are at Google? Just make this stuff customizable! It's called Opera for pete's sake. Opera==customizable, has always been like that, and must continue like that.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by thany:
Just fix this. I don't care how much money you're getting for all that useless crap content, I'm not reading it anyway. I'm reading the sort of news I'm interested in, not the news that you want me to be interested in. What am I to you now, a product like we are at Google? Just make this stuff customizable! It's called Opera for pete's sake. Opera==customizable, has always been like that, and must continue like that.
And Opera should undoubtedly listen to you because????? Oh, because you've given them your orders. I see. You're a shareholder, no doubt? Opera will definitely be concerned that you are refusing to read their Discover feature. :whistle:
-
Deleted User last edited by
So you're agreeing with this anti-consumer nonsense?
They shouldn't listen to me just because I tell them, they should listen to me because I'm right. You may disagree of course.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
And Opera should undoubtedly listen to you because????? Oh, because you've given them your orders. I see. You're a shareholder, no doubt? Opera will definitely be concerned that you are refusing to read their Discover feature.
Living up to your reputation, Leushino?
Ridicule frustrated posters all you like - that Opera 15+ has been a disappointment for many users is undeniable.
All it takes to notice that is reading forums like this on.As for the Opera Company, their major sources of revenue have little to do with desktop browsers.
So disgruntling this user base is obviously something they are willing to do. -
Deleted User last edited by
LOL...hey, Sawo, I have a reputation to uphold! Gotta work at it, right? Here's a novel thought for ya: if you don't like Discover, DON'T use that feature. What a concept. Sort of like what many did regarding M2. I never bother activating that feature in the older Presto suite because I did not care for the integrated email client. What I didn't do was whine on forums about how horrible M2 was (in my opinion, not shared by many I might add). Here's another thought for you, Sawo: if Opera 15+ is a disappointment for you, don't use it. Continue to use v.12 or 11 OR use another browser. But whining here on the Help forums won't get you squat. You do understand that... right? Opera made its decision (which was its prerogative, not yours or thany's or mine or anyone else's) and Presto is finished. Many of the developers on that team are now gone so there will not be a return to Presto. Oh... and by the way: it was not a business decision. The developers decided that this was the best way for Opera to proceed WHETHER you happen to disagree or agree with their decision. You see... your opinion is merely an opinion as is mine. And your opinion means very little as does mine.
Thany doesn't like Discover. Thany can simply ignore Discover. You don't like me. YOU can simply ignore me. And meanwhile... have a great day.
-
Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
But whining here on the Help forums won't get you squat. You do understand that... right?
I understand that the Opera Company is in danger of losing a substantial part of its desktop user base.
Because its powerful, customizable and versatile desktop browser is being replaced by a featureless Chrome, dumbed-down clone.I further understand that there are some contributors on these forums who seem to know no greater joy than trying to elevate themselves other others with smug and pointless disparagement. You are one of them.
I can only stand so much self-satisfaction, Leushino, and that is why this discussion ends now.
