Why Opera sucks now!

[stevenjcee]

stevenjcee last edited by

What's most distasteful and unhelpful about these forum threads are the condescending, completely unnecessary, and certainly not "helpful" scoldings of some of the self-appointed bearers of the wisdom of Opera. Good grief, there's not been much "help" to deal with all the shortcomings of these new versions of Opera, and if many users, longtime ones in particular, vent their complaints here, maybe, some of the Opera developers or workers will see them. But then again, their business sense is so wack, they might not care to see how their recent work is being received.....

[blackbird71]

blackbird71 last edited by

Originally posted by StevenCee:

... Good grief, there's not been much "help" to deal with all the shortcomings of these new versions of Opera, and if many users, longtime ones in particular, vent their complaints here, maybe, some of the Opera developers or workers will see them. But then again, their business sense is so wack, they might not care to see how their recent work is being received.....

The folks who help with technical problems in these forums are not Opera employees, they're volunteers. That's how these forums have worked for all their years of existence. And there's absolutely nothing these helpers can do about "shortcomings of these new versions of Opera" - they're not developers, nor do they have some kind of secret pipeline into Opera to influence development. Opera's developers respond primarily to comments in the various version development/release blogs, not to posts here; some of the devs may scan these forums from time to time and help in the properly-labeled threads about genuine Opera problems if those problem areas match their areas of expertise and they have the time. But they almost never respond in any way to the complaint threads, leading me to believe that they only rarely even read them... and I say that having read nearly every one (if not all) of the complaint threads in this forum and the Opera-Windows forum since before New Opera officially arose.

I'm not a fan of New Opera; in fact, my primary browser currently has become Firefox 26, with Opera 12.14 being a backup for many sites I know work on it. I prefer 12.14 to Firefox, but I feel the need to become adept at tweaking Firefox and its extensions, since there's a possibility that Opera may not evolve in directions that meet my needs by the time Old Opera becomes truly obsolete or insecure. On the other hand, perhaps it will evolve in the right direction, so I stay tuned here. But I still come to these forums to help users with problems with which I feel I can contribute, usually in the Old Opera area. However, the complaint threads and postings have now come to clog both the forum index and many of the technical threads themselves, and it only makes locating and helping users with genuine technical problems more difficult. The misinformation, unfounded accusations, and acidic rhetoric often scattered amongst the general complaints only act to poison the entire atmosphere, which may be the intent of angry users but is hardly constructive nor justified.

During the initial phases of the New Opera releases, I contributed my own share of criticisms coupled with explanations here and elsewhere - mainly because I believed it could do some good, and perhaps it did at the outset. But after 6 months or so, the same old complaints about New Opera have become repetitious and monotonous and increasingly nasty-toned. Whatever can be said, has been said - hundreds of times over. Whatever clever criticisms and sarcasms that can be expressed, have been - dozens of times over. Regardless, Opera is going to develop its free browser in whatever direction Opera itself chooses, for whatever reasons and in whatever ways it deems important. We all need to get on with our lives and realize that.

To reiterate, these forums exist purely for helping users with technical problems. Complaints can't be "helped with" and they only serve now to clutter the forums amidst postings from people with genuine technical/usage problems. It's time to give the repetitious complaining a rest.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Complaints can't be "helped with" and they only serve now to clutter the forums amidst postings from people with genuine technical/usage problems. It's time to give the repetitious complaining a rest.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

@blackbird71: a tip of the hat to you, Sir. :yes:

[nessquick]

nessquick last edited by

Originally posted by geomyster:

Originally posted by blackbird71:

Feel better now? If so, then this "helps" forum has fulfilled its purpose. :rolleyes:

Yes... Here, I'll make it even more helpful with a link to Opera 12.14

I Love You

[krischik]

krischik last edited by

I was just about to do the same — But Bookmarks are back! (Opera Next 19.0.1326.26) — I guess that settles it for me as Opera 12.16 is almost unusable on Mac OS/X.

Opera 12.16 crashes quite often on Mac OS X and the restart after crash function being thoroughly broken. One would be much better off without.

[jaybird21]

jaybird21 last edited by

I have been using opera from day one...
Until now..

Some of you self appointed mods might like my photo, its a fresh snap shot of today's build.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by jaybird21:

Some of you self appointed mods might like my photo, its a fresh snap shot of today's build.

Your photo is childish and your claims to have been using Opera from day one (or does Sept. 2013 qualify?) are undoubtedly made of the same thing your photo is. You're just another troll to put on my ignore list. Bye bye...:whistle:

[krischik]

krischik last edited by

Originally posted by leushino:

… your claims to have been using Opera from day one …

Some of us actually have. I for example where part off, what would now be called a “kick-starter“ project, “Opera-Magic” and have pre-ordered Opera for OS/2.

That would qualify as before day 1.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User last edited by

Originally posted by krischik:

Originally posted by leushino:

… your claims to have been using Opera from day one …

Some of us actually have. I for example where part off, what would now be called a “kick-starter“ project, “Opera-Magic” and have pre-ordered Opera for OS/2.

That would qualify as before day 1.

Maybe so, but then you're not behaving in such a juvenile fashion as the other poster. No one is thrilled at the new direction including me. We're all hopeful that somehow Opera will turn this around and add back the missing features we need. But pointless rants and crude posts such as the former post, are not the way to go about getting our message across "if" we expect it to have any credence whatsoever.

[scorpiopt]

scorpiopt last edited by

ignoring the childish remarks , we can agree that the current state of opera is a mess

using opera since version 4

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

I have been using Opera since build 4.6. I kept it as my main browser until about 3 years ago when I started playing Kingdoms of Camelot on FB and I needed the abilities of Greasemonkey which Opera didn't support (at least the instructions I found didn't help) so palemoon became my browser of choice. now I no longer play that game and decided to look at Opera again. WTF?????? a chrome look alike? all the mega customizations gone? no menu bar? my favorite theme Marina...gone? I've seen in this thread this isn't where complaints go, and even if my complaints were listened to where would I post them? (yes I'm being lazy, throw me a bone please). that's what I liked about Opera, it wasn't like the others. now it's just a sad rip off/look alike.

[habfan24]

habfan24 last edited by

I have to admit that I've been reading all the great comments both for and against so eloquently posted for quite some time hoping to get some idea of the direction Opera has taken. What I've discovered is that Opera is DONE for the consumer market. Really even at its hight it was around 2% of the market (yes I remember when you could tell Opera to identify itself as IE) and even if the bring back the full optimization that existed in the previous versions it's likely to be years at their current pace. So, why destroy the old opera we all loved ? My suspicion is that Opera is not a financially viable company under the old code and would be better served if it was swallowed up by a larger player that wanted their own version of a Google lite browser. We just have to face the facts that the party's over and don't forget to turn out the lights.

“Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators the creator seeks -- those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest.” too bad Google got there first.