Opera 15 is a DISASTER
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msols last edited by
I was a fan of Opera and, as many of you, I'm very frustrated and angry with the lack of features of Opera 15. Perhaps Opera was trying to gain new users with a clone of Chrome, despite the loss of "long-time" users, or perhaps they really wanted a "tabula rasa" where they could rebuild the browser with, in time, almost all its features.
It doesn't matter. Opera 12 is dead (including my beloved M2) and all of us have made our point. Now, we can only wait for future versions of this new Opera and see if they are listening to users.
My opinion: In due time, we will have a browser with almost as many features as Opera 12, but more compatible with webs.
Every day I repeat to myself: "All will be well"
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paulverizzo last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Patience, Gentlemen. It's in a development stage. Meanwhile, use Opera 11 or 12. Features that you miss will be added. It takes time to rewrite from the ground up.
Probably not. It's based on the open source webkit product, just like Chrome and Safari and some older Nokia phones. If not in the webkit core, forget it.
Opera just joined the list of also rans. Opera development staff meeting last winter: "Hey, guys and girls, I have a great idea! Let's change Opera from the wonderful, unique, much love product that it is and make it like Chrome and Safari! No more Save as MHTML, no more search toolbar."
Starting with a clean Windows install, I downloaded Opera 15...............WTF is this???????..........Fortunately, I found 12.16 on the intertubes and it is, and will be my browser until it grows a beard. For the icon for 15, I named it, "Son of Opera."
Never thought Internet Exploder would become my secondary browser. At least it has save as HTML.
Been with Opera since 6.0. Even paid $35 for it way back when, no ads and great email support.
Sign me, 12.16 Forever
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newworldman last edited by
Originally posted by jrista:
I think the feature that I am most infuriated is now missing is the closed tabs list. I used that feature ALL THE TIME. I hated the fact that none of the other browsers had it
It's available in Firefox but I think via an extension. I have it in my Firefox but can't remember from which extension!
Along the same line was the infinite history, the durability of everything in every tab (i.e. if you started typing text in input fields, then closed the browser or the system crashed...Opera WAS the ONLY browser that PRESERVED THAT INFO!!
Again, available in Firefox via extension.
This is utterly pathetic. Operas one strength is gone. The unparalleled functionality, its unparalleled convenience, all the things it once did to make using the web, particularly in unstable environments, a pleasant and even addictive experience....are gone. What a sad, sad, depressing day. What a joke. Opera 15...RIP.
Best thing to do is keep 12.x and 15.x installed side-by-side, continue to use 12.x, and then monitor 15.x over the next few months to see which 12.x features get added.
Based on the typical critical posts on 15, if you really must abandon Opera, then the closest you can get to it right now is Firefox. But it will take you some time to learn how to customise it to be as close as possible to what you're used to with Opera.
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Deleted User last edited by
Still in development or not, quite how they could release it without a bookmarks list/folder is mind boggling.
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Deleted User last edited by
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. You can choose to use it side by side with v.12.x OR you can choose to simply continue with v 12.x and keep an eye on the new Opera as features are added back. You also have the option of moving to another browser and waiting to see how the development of Opera proceeds. OR... you can be adventurous and install Opera 15 and try to find work arounds for those features currently missing. Having said all that, Opera is proceeding quite nicely. It's fast, it's compatible and features are returning. No need to wring your hands and panic. The thing that is apparent in these threads is that there are many first-time posters (really?) who evidently do not read very well. You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
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rumpel23 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. ... You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
Nice point, leushino, but it doesn't quite fly -- because Opera did NOT post an advisory on the v15 download page. If we'd been aware that we were "upgrading" to an unfinished product, we'd have done as you suggest -- stayed with v12.16 until v15 was fully baked, and maybe taken a look at v15 from time to time to see how it was coming along.
As it is, Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15. They now have a bunch of disappointed users who thought they were getting something "new and improved" because Opera let them think that. Some of those users may not come back. Me? I'll stay with v12.16 for now, and check back on v15 in a while.
But now I'm worried that Opera has shot itself in the foot. That's not usually fatal -- unless it weakens their ability to compete in a crowded browser market. Which I'm afraid it does.
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langrobi last edited by
I see a lot of comments that Opera 15 is not a finished browser, we should wait until the older features are put back, it's in a development stage, we should be patient and stick it out with version 12, etc. This way of thinking didn’t work for me. Since Opera 12 is a dead-end, I had to find an alternative and long-term solution. I tried Opera 15, but uninstalled immediately, just like its similarly inferior brother, Chrome. I tried several other browsers and eventually wound up at Firefox. After searching for some addons, I achieved a comparable functionality with it.
It was a bad decision to come up with this Chrome-clone too soon. If indeed it’s planned that something of the old Opera will return within the new engine, then they should have waited a little longer rather than alienate a lot of users by a half-baked product. (It is also possible that they have no intention to improve it too much and will just go with the crowd and remain one of the browsers for dummies.) I don’t know if I will check back in the future to see how things worked out once I decided to migrate to another browser. As I read other forums, I'm not alone.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Rumpel23:
Nice point, leushino, but it doesn't quite fly -- because Opera did NOT post an advisory on the v15 download page. If we'd been aware that we were "upgrading" to an unfinished product, we'd have done as you suggest -- stayed with v12.16 until v15 was fully baked, and maybe taken a look at v15 from time to time to see how it was coming along.
As it is, Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15.
Now that is interesting. Somehow I never fell into the problem you've related above. I knew from the start that Opera 15 (or Next as it was dubbed then) was experimental and that the best thing to do was to stick with v. 12.16 until such time as the features absolutely essential to my browsing were returned. And you know... I'm just an average guy, Rumpel. Nothing special about me so if "I" could manage to understand this, how is it that so many according to you, were duped? Very odd.
You go on to add that Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15 but that's not completely correct. Let me correct that statement: "Opera has not met the expectations of a group on these forums ... PERIOD." That's ALL you can say with absolute certainty because the millions of Opera users around the world have not posted their views. And I would dare say that the disgruntled group posting here numbers no more than a few hundred (if that). In addition, very zealous members of that group continue to post day after day the same messages throughout the forums but in truth don't really add anything new. It's the same messages we heard back during the first week. So in reality, the numbers are not nearly as great as you're making them out to be.
Opera is heading in the right direction. Just give them time. If you can't wait, stick with v.12.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by langrobi:
I see a lot of comments that Opera 15 is not a finished browser, we should wait until the older features are put back, it's in a development stage, we should be patient and stick it out with version 12, etc. This way of thinking didn’t work for me. Since Opera 12 is a dead-end, I had to find an alternative and long-term solution.
Your thinking is wrong. Opera 12 is still being given security updates and is the Opera that you currently love. Why abandon it? There is no viable alternative... period. And while you use Opera 12, Opera 15 will continue to be developed and features will be added. Patience.
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ugly95 last edited by
Opera 15 is a finished browser. It's been released as an official stable release.
Saying Opera 15 isn't a finished product is nonsense. Every browser, and all software that is getting updates could be considered an unfinished product. Opera 12 wasn't a finished browser either right up until they stop updating it.
Opera decided that version 15 was good enough to release. I'm not sure if there are any updates for version 15 other than Chromium updates. Now they are working on Opera 16 and beyond.
Opera users should wring their hands over this product if they don't like it. Otherwise Opera might decide that a certain feature isn't worth bringing back. They weren't going to bring back bookmarks until there was enough complaints from the users.
If you don't like something about the new Opera, users absolutely should speak up (with constructive criticism and without being insulting).
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by ugly95:
Opera 15 is a finished browser. It's been released as an official stable release.
Saying Opera 15 isn't a finished product is nonsense.
Let's try this again... but a bit more slowly. Opera 15 is a stable browser BUT it is in a state of flux... it is being given "fast" (relatively speaking) updates as it continues to be developed. The rate of updates will be much quicker than Opera previously gave to its Presto version.
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Deleted User last edited by
So 15 is just a consideration to get in the market and later there will be some sort of expert mode? :doh:
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operalinknx1 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. You can choose to use it side by side with v.12.x OR you can choose to simply continue with v 12.x and keep an eye on the new Opera as features are added back. You also have the option of moving to another browser and waiting to see how the development of Opera proceeds. OR... you can be adventurous and install Opera 15 and try to find work arounds for those features currently missing. Having said all that, Opera is proceeding quite nicely. It's fast, it's compatible and features are returning. No need to wring your hands and panic. The thing that is apparent in these threads is that there are many first-time posters (really?) who evidently do not read very well. You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
If Opera 15 is not a finished browser, then Opera 15 should not be the PRIMARY download. That spot should be taken by Opera 12, and Opera 15 offered as a Try out, with User Input. Uninstalling Opera 15 just isn't satisfying enough. It left some of us with the feeling that it should be Destroyed permanently. Google needs serious competition, not to chicken out and join the junk they peddle. How many times did you have to install a program with custom options so Google Chrome won't force its way into your computer?
The rest of your post is useless because Plans should be just that, Plans, until Release. So I reiterate again that Opera 12 should be the MAIN download. -
blakk77 last edited by
removing bookmarks from a WEB BROWSER it is like removing wheels from a car...and then pretending that it`s the new and faster and better stuff..
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jito463 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Now that is interesting. Somehow I never fell into the problem you've related above. I knew from the start that Opera 15 (or Next as it was dubbed then) was experimental and that the best thing to do was to stick with v. 12.16 until such time as the features absolutely essential to my browsing were returned. And you know... I'm just an average guy, Rumpel. Nothing special about me so if "I" could manage to understand this, how is it that so many according to you, were duped? Very odd.
For anyone who visits Opera.com, all they see is a page promoting their latest version, no info concerning missing features or a rewrite.
Opera homepage:
http://imageshack.us/a/img189/8997/17vn.pngOpera download page:
http://imageshack.us/a/img836/8691/h8pt.pngYou tell me how any average user would know there's a difference, until they download and install it? Or anyone, for that matter, who doesn't visit the forums regularly?
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spartaa last edited by
well..
perhaps their decision to put Opera 15 as default download is a little bit crazy.
but if some users that confused with it , and they go to Official forum.
then, somehow it must there any people that kind enuf to show them the FTP for Opera 12.
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/
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jito463 last edited by
A little bit crazy? Ya think? What they should have done, is still promoted 12.16 as the primary download, but *also* offered the "developing" version 15 as an alternative. As it is, all they are doing is essentially fooling people into downloading the latest feature-incomplete version, which leads to misgivings and bad feelings towards Opera. When I downloaded this onto a customers computer, and saw the massive changes made, I was completely shocked and dismayed. I had no clue what was going on, only that it was no longer the Opera I knew. They way they are handling this rollout is a debacle, and is the primary reason why there is so much backlash.
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spartaa last edited by
i have no idea why they do that.
but Opera is a Company, every decision must be not a single person decision.
it seems they also ready with the risk.cant do anything with that.
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fortran13 last edited by
Opera 15 is more usable then Opera 12. Opera 12 seems to crash more offen then other browsers and it would slow down sometimes for no apparently reason. After using Opera for over 15 years, I actually stopped using Opera 12 as my primary browser.
