Opera 15 is a DISASTER
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by arashpour:
I didn't offend you at all. I just stated some facts. BTW, you did not deny that you are working for Opera? Oh well, who would believe you anyway given the fact that you are still constantly answering EVERY post against the new version. Are you even only one person?! And oh, you better look up the meaning of "LOL" to understand that "troll" calling was a joke.
Nonetheless nobody is going to change his mind about Opera if you attack them or not. It was not YOUR opinion that made Opera great. It was Opera that made Opera great. So save your energy (and Opera company better save their money and fire you already).
Your facts are nothing more than surmises. I do NOT work for Opera. I have no financial connection with Opera or its subsidiaries. As far as people believing me or not, that is their prerogative. The last time I checked the mirror, there was only one of me staring back so yeah... I'm one guy (who loves Maui, by the way).
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm essentially trying to tell Opera lovers to act reasonably and like adults. Behaving like spoiled children is counter-productive and will not bring about any substantive change.
No need for me to save my energy. I have plenty and I enjoy calming troubled waters. I've already seen some angry-types change their tune and several have decided to stay the course. Opera 12 is NOT returning so you'd better get used to it. Holding your breath, throwing yourself on the floor and kicking and screaming will result in bruised shins (not good for you, you know). As I see it you have a few viable choices:
- stay with Opera 12 (and keep an eye on the new browser's development)
- leave Opera altogether for another browser (may I suggest SeaMonkey)
- be a brave little man and try Opera 15 and its successors. Try to find workarounds for those features that are currently missing. Consider it an adventure.Now.. I'm not going to charge you for my expert advice. I know.... my generosity overwhelms you (hey, I'm just a generous guy, what can I say?). But I want to see a big smile on that sour puss of yours. So... there you go!
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t-bone tone last edited by
I see poor Leushino is doing his best 'King Canute' impression.. Being an Opera 15 apologist is tough, as no one is fooled by his positive spin on what is most certainly the worst browser version I have come across in all my years using this product.
It is not the fact that Opera have erred big time and launched a 'stinker', it is the horrible fact the devs seemingly have never used any previous versions of Opera, or are being paid by the competition.
I suspect by now, at the higher levels they will be reaping what they have sowed, and there will be more than a few regrets of letting the devs remove this and that from what was a great browser, and the 'cold water in the face' reception by the users of Opera15.
We can only hope, they learn from it. If not, Opera truly IS doomed.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by T-Bone Tone:
I suspect by now, at the higher levels they will be reaping what they have sowed, and there will be more than a few regrets of letting the devs remove this and that from what was a great browser, and the 'cold water in the face' reception by the users of Opera15.
We can only hope, they learn from it. If not, Opera truly IS doomed.
Nah. Your suspicions are misplaced (but they're imaginative so you get credit for that). Opera Next will outlive its pallbearers. The only one doomed, is that person who insists on going backwards. And going backwards would be returning to Presto and a suite that never caught on with more than 3%. And Opera cannot afford to do that.
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kolbur last edited by
Just installed Opera 15 and came here to observe the shitstorm.
LOL, are the developers completely insane? Sooooo many important things seem to be completely gone! I don't even know where to start. Is there a complete list of cut out features? This is just mind boggling. It seems that there are no customization options AT ALL. OK I can change the background... -.- I don't give a flying fuck about the god damn background, I want to customize my freaking UI like you always could do easily in Opera. This always was it's main strength and now they just completely removed it? Insanity! -
Deleted User last edited by
Well, let me join the shitstorm then.
I just installed (and very quickly uninstalled) Opera 16. What a freakshow.
Opera 15 & 16 are literally Chromium clones. Chromium clones with a few clever extra's that are readily available as extensions for the real Chrome. Why bother?I couldn't give a rat's ass whether the new version is a complete rewrite or not. When a feature (many of them actually) exists in one version but not in the next, it's "removed". Why did they do that? To mock us? To show what a horribly bad decision the move to the Blink engine was? What asshole makes these kinds of decisions at Opera, and why does he still work there?
(oh wow, it's a good thing cursing is allowed here. kinda shows off the urgency of the matter, dunit?)
Anyway, where I come from, this tactic is known as "digging your own grave". It's like an athlete who deliberately shoots himself in the knee. Not a good idea if you wanna continue to be an athlete. Cripple yourself and you will fall. Simple is that. And that what's happening to Opera.
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msols last edited by
I was a fan of Opera and, as many of you, I'm very frustrated and angry with the lack of features of Opera 15. Perhaps Opera was trying to gain new users with a clone of Chrome, despite the loss of "long-time" users, or perhaps they really wanted a "tabula rasa" where they could rebuild the browser with, in time, almost all its features.
It doesn't matter. Opera 12 is dead (including my beloved M2) and all of us have made our point. Now, we can only wait for future versions of this new Opera and see if they are listening to users.
My opinion: In due time, we will have a browser with almost as many features as Opera 12, but more compatible with webs.
Every day I repeat to myself: "All will be well"
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paulverizzo last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Patience, Gentlemen. It's in a development stage. Meanwhile, use Opera 11 or 12. Features that you miss will be added. It takes time to rewrite from the ground up.
Probably not. It's based on the open source webkit product, just like Chrome and Safari and some older Nokia phones. If not in the webkit core, forget it.
Opera just joined the list of also rans. Opera development staff meeting last winter: "Hey, guys and girls, I have a great idea! Let's change Opera from the wonderful, unique, much love product that it is and make it like Chrome and Safari! No more Save as MHTML, no more search toolbar."
Starting with a clean Windows install, I downloaded Opera 15...............WTF is this???????..........Fortunately, I found 12.16 on the intertubes and it is, and will be my browser until it grows a beard. For the icon for 15, I named it, "Son of Opera."
Never thought Internet Exploder would become my secondary browser. At least it has save as HTML.
Been with Opera since 6.0. Even paid $35 for it way back when, no ads and great email support.
Sign me, 12.16 Forever
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newworldman last edited by
Originally posted by jrista:
I think the feature that I am most infuriated is now missing is the closed tabs list. I used that feature ALL THE TIME. I hated the fact that none of the other browsers had it
It's available in Firefox but I think via an extension. I have it in my Firefox but can't remember from which extension!
Along the same line was the infinite history, the durability of everything in every tab (i.e. if you started typing text in input fields, then closed the browser or the system crashed...Opera WAS the ONLY browser that PRESERVED THAT INFO!!
Again, available in Firefox via extension.
This is utterly pathetic. Operas one strength is gone. The unparalleled functionality, its unparalleled convenience, all the things it once did to make using the web, particularly in unstable environments, a pleasant and even addictive experience....are gone. What a sad, sad, depressing day. What a joke. Opera 15...RIP.
Best thing to do is keep 12.x and 15.x installed side-by-side, continue to use 12.x, and then monitor 15.x over the next few months to see which 12.x features get added.
Based on the typical critical posts on 15, if you really must abandon Opera, then the closest you can get to it right now is Firefox. But it will take you some time to learn how to customise it to be as close as possible to what you're used to with Opera.
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Deleted User last edited by
Still in development or not, quite how they could release it without a bookmarks list/folder is mind boggling.
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Deleted User last edited by
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. You can choose to use it side by side with v.12.x OR you can choose to simply continue with v 12.x and keep an eye on the new Opera as features are added back. You also have the option of moving to another browser and waiting to see how the development of Opera proceeds. OR... you can be adventurous and install Opera 15 and try to find work arounds for those features currently missing. Having said all that, Opera is proceeding quite nicely. It's fast, it's compatible and features are returning. No need to wring your hands and panic. The thing that is apparent in these threads is that there are many first-time posters (really?) who evidently do not read very well. You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
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rumpel23 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. ... You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
Nice point, leushino, but it doesn't quite fly -- because Opera did NOT post an advisory on the v15 download page. If we'd been aware that we were "upgrading" to an unfinished product, we'd have done as you suggest -- stayed with v12.16 until v15 was fully baked, and maybe taken a look at v15 from time to time to see how it was coming along.
As it is, Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15. They now have a bunch of disappointed users who thought they were getting something "new and improved" because Opera let them think that. Some of those users may not come back. Me? I'll stay with v12.16 for now, and check back on v15 in a while.
But now I'm worried that Opera has shot itself in the foot. That's not usually fatal -- unless it weakens their ability to compete in a crowded browser market. Which I'm afraid it does.
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langrobi last edited by
I see a lot of comments that Opera 15 is not a finished browser, we should wait until the older features are put back, it's in a development stage, we should be patient and stick it out with version 12, etc. This way of thinking didn’t work for me. Since Opera 12 is a dead-end, I had to find an alternative and long-term solution. I tried Opera 15, but uninstalled immediately, just like its similarly inferior brother, Chrome. I tried several other browsers and eventually wound up at Firefox. After searching for some addons, I achieved a comparable functionality with it.
It was a bad decision to come up with this Chrome-clone too soon. If indeed it’s planned that something of the old Opera will return within the new engine, then they should have waited a little longer rather than alienate a lot of users by a half-baked product. (It is also possible that they have no intention to improve it too much and will just go with the crowd and remain one of the browsers for dummies.) I don’t know if I will check back in the future to see how things worked out once I decided to migrate to another browser. As I read other forums, I'm not alone.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by Rumpel23:
Nice point, leushino, but it doesn't quite fly -- because Opera did NOT post an advisory on the v15 download page. If we'd been aware that we were "upgrading" to an unfinished product, we'd have done as you suggest -- stayed with v12.16 until v15 was fully baked, and maybe taken a look at v15 from time to time to see how it was coming along.
As it is, Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15.
Now that is interesting. Somehow I never fell into the problem you've related above. I knew from the start that Opera 15 (or Next as it was dubbed then) was experimental and that the best thing to do was to stick with v. 12.16 until such time as the features absolutely essential to my browsing were returned. And you know... I'm just an average guy, Rumpel. Nothing special about me so if "I" could manage to understand this, how is it that so many according to you, were duped? Very odd.
You go on to add that Opera has not met the expectations of those who installed v15 but that's not completely correct. Let me correct that statement: "Opera has not met the expectations of a group on these forums ... PERIOD." That's ALL you can say with absolute certainty because the millions of Opera users around the world have not posted their views. And I would dare say that the disgruntled group posting here numbers no more than a few hundred (if that). In addition, very zealous members of that group continue to post day after day the same messages throughout the forums but in truth don't really add anything new. It's the same messages we heard back during the first week. So in reality, the numbers are not nearly as great as you're making them out to be.
Opera is heading in the right direction. Just give them time. If you can't wait, stick with v.12.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by langrobi:
I see a lot of comments that Opera 15 is not a finished browser, we should wait until the older features are put back, it's in a development stage, we should be patient and stick it out with version 12, etc. This way of thinking didn’t work for me. Since Opera 12 is a dead-end, I had to find an alternative and long-term solution.
Your thinking is wrong. Opera 12 is still being given security updates and is the Opera that you currently love. Why abandon it? There is no viable alternative... period. And while you use Opera 12, Opera 15 will continue to be developed and features will be added. Patience.
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ugly95 last edited by
Opera 15 is a finished browser. It's been released as an official stable release.
Saying Opera 15 isn't a finished product is nonsense. Every browser, and all software that is getting updates could be considered an unfinished product. Opera 12 wasn't a finished browser either right up until they stop updating it.
Opera decided that version 15 was good enough to release. I'm not sure if there are any updates for version 15 other than Chromium updates. Now they are working on Opera 16 and beyond.
Opera users should wring their hands over this product if they don't like it. Otherwise Opera might decide that a certain feature isn't worth bringing back. They weren't going to bring back bookmarks until there was enough complaints from the users.
If you don't like something about the new Opera, users absolutely should speak up (with constructive criticism and without being insulting).
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by ugly95:
Opera 15 is a finished browser. It's been released as an official stable release.
Saying Opera 15 isn't a finished product is nonsense.
Let's try this again... but a bit more slowly. Opera 15 is a stable browser BUT it is in a state of flux... it is being given "fast" (relatively speaking) updates as it continues to be developed. The rate of updates will be much quicker than Opera previously gave to its Presto version.
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Deleted User last edited by
So 15 is just a consideration to get in the market and later there will be some sort of expert mode? :doh:
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operalinknx1 last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. You can choose to use it side by side with v.12.x OR you can choose to simply continue with v 12.x and keep an eye on the new Opera as features are added back. You also have the option of moving to another browser and waiting to see how the development of Opera proceeds. OR... you can be adventurous and install Opera 15 and try to find work arounds for those features currently missing. Having said all that, Opera is proceeding quite nicely. It's fast, it's compatible and features are returning. No need to wring your hands and panic. The thing that is apparent in these threads is that there are many first-time posters (really?) who evidently do not read very well. You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button.
If Opera 15 is not a finished browser, then Opera 15 should not be the PRIMARY download. That spot should be taken by Opera 12, and Opera 15 offered as a Try out, with User Input. Uninstalling Opera 15 just isn't satisfying enough. It left some of us with the feeling that it should be Destroyed permanently. Google needs serious competition, not to chicken out and join the junk they peddle. How many times did you have to install a program with custom options so Google Chrome won't force its way into your computer?
The rest of your post is useless because Plans should be just that, Plans, until Release. So I reiterate again that Opera 12 should be the MAIN download. -
blakk77 last edited by
removing bookmarks from a WEB BROWSER it is like removing wheels from a car...and then pretending that it`s the new and faster and better stuff..
stupid....
