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A Former User last edited by
As an example, how many users use or know VPN?
How many users use currency converter?
How many users uses Feed Reader?- I know what it is since last year.
- What for???
- What sort of an animal is that? :knight:
I was using Opera since like 2006, started on my phone: Opera Mini 3.0.
I was not a geek. I continued using Opera on my computer as my MAIN browser since I got one. I'm still not a geek: a friend tried to seduce me to learn HTML, I miserably failed :party:
2 to 3 per cent, Leo?
Who are the rest 97 to 98??
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
This may be getting off-topic.
In that way, Opera forces users to lose time:
It may be valid for those few who keep changing settings often but I would say that 90%+ probably will never change a setting or will do it once in a lifetime.
Market share = time advantage (Despite human stupidity...)
Market share helps you to get more revenue.
If the users spend lot of time doing things that others products give them quite easly... couldn't expect too much
So you are basically confirming that Opera Presto wasn't that perfect browser.
Now, mostly there are 2 or 3 tech devices per person (users), so, knowing Opera for mobile they probably know / test Opera for Desktop too ( it's a supposition) "*" and every one may use Opera because smartphones and tablets market it's bigger.
When Opera started, both computers and the Internet were something for a few ones who could use and afford it.
Now they are part of people's daily life. People who just want to read their favorite news pages, find some recipes, talk to their grandchildren and so on.
Those people want simple things.
It seems Opera it's still for Geeks, because you need to dive into extensions for small basic things, so..
But who needs it? The geeks or the regular users?
As I said, I think regular users just want to be able to access pages without that much complication.
users if finally you have to spend time in AddOns store and load the product with lot of "addons" if others are less visual spectacular but have the most basic features?驴
What basic features? They are the same for everyone?
As an example, how many users use or know VPN?
How many users use currency converter?
How many users uses Feed Reader?I don't know how many use those features but I think they are probably more useful for regular, common users than individual site settings.
So, I don't understand that kind of strategy...
The idea is always to try to bring new users and keep the current ones, I would say.
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zalex108 last edited byAs an example, how many users use or know VPN?
How many users use currency converter?
How many users uses Feed Reader?I know what it is since last year.
What for???
Skip country blockings (mostly)
Skip IP tracking...What sort of an animal is that?
About Feed Reader驴?
Just a joke I suppose xDI was using Opera since like 2006, started on my phone: Opera Mini 3.0.
I was not a geek. I continued using Opera on my computer as my MAIN browser since I got one. I'm still not a geek: a friend tried to seduce me to learn HTML, I miserably failed
:lol:2 to 3 per cent, Leo?
Who are the rest 97 to 98??Deficient browsers = Human ""stupidity :rolleyes:
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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zalex108 last edited by
This may be getting off-topic.
Don't bother... I'm the post starter xDD
In that way, Opera forces users to lose time:
It may be valid for those few who keep changing settings often but I would say that 90%+ probably will never change a setting or will do it once in a lifetime.
Market share = time advantage (Despite human stupidity...)
Market share helps you to get more revenue.
"*"But usually a good product has a good market share.
If the users spend lot of time doing things that others products give them quite easly... couldn't expect too much
So you are basically confirming that Opera Presto wasn't that perfect browser.
Opera presto had more options than other browsers, there were userscripts to complete the browser... then the extensions appear and a lot of things could be done, despite Opera start that way later than others, but usually most of the needings were supplied by UserScipts, but with the extensions you can do things nicer.
Now, mostly there are 2 or 3 tech devices per person (users), so, knowing Opera for mobile they probably know / test Opera for Desktop too ( it's a supposition) "*" and every one may use Opera because smartphones and tablets market it's bigger.
When Opera started, both computers and the Internet were something for a few ones who could use and afford it.
Now they are part of people's daily life. People who just want to read their favorite news pages, find some recipes, talk to their grandchildren and so on.
Those people want simple things.Opera has complex things.
It seems Opera it's still for Geeks, because you need to dive into extensions for small basic things, so..
But who needs it? The geeks or the regular users?
It's there when need it, for every user.
As I said, I think regular users just want to be able to access pages without that much complication.
users if finally you have to spend time in AddOns store and load the product with lot of "addons" if others are less visual spectacular but have the most basic features?驴
What basic features? They are the same for everyone?Translation驴?
Unload toolbar from extension icons驴?
Reset browser option when problems detected?(Would be nice to add a "Panic Button" to clear cache / cookies and disable extensions when everything goes wrong)
Here in the forums are a part of what users need / want.
As an example, how many users use or know VPN?
How many users use currency converter?
How many users uses Feed Reader?I don't know how many use those features but I think they are probably more useful for regular, common users than individual site settings.
Many posts problems are solved cleaning cookies and cache, it could be managed without asking in the forums with an easy access and an info banner:
(Clean site settings if the page looks or goes wrong)So, I don't understand that kind of strategy...
The idea is always to try to bring new users and keep the current ones, I would say.
Of course, but usually the question should be:
How satisfied are the users with the product?
Are we fulfilling the needings?Could I learn from my colleges competitors?
Could I doing it better驴?"*"
Do the extensions creators get any revenue? Most of them are essentials!
Without extensions, Chromium is nothing, (as all now).
Could be the time to help each other working together, browsers and extensions creators, maybe some extensions could be ported to the browser as a feature fully optimized.So, I don't understand that kind of strategy...
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you". 路 Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
But usually a good product has a good market share.
It may depend on several factors. Marketing can make a huge difference for example.
Opera presto had more options than other browsers
For sure, but at the same time that it was something good for some users, for others it used to cause some confusion mainly because people tended to forget that they had enabled/disabled one of those options or had a custom menu/toolbar.
Also, all those options turned Presto in something hard to maintain.
As I said sometimes, I'm not against options, features, etc but they should be evaluated before being implemented so the same mistakes will not happen again.
Like the pinned topic on this forum says, a new feature/option should be useful for most users.
Opera has complex things.
It's a complex software.
It's there when need it, for every user.
Sorry, but things don't work that way. You can't simply go adding options and features without checking if they would be really useful for both the users and the software authors.
Like I always say: more options/features means more code, more code means more (chances of) bugs.
Translation驴?
You can add Google Translator or any other as a search engine. I did that and I use it.
Opera could allow use search engines with urls in address bar. I think it would be better than being asked all the tine if you want to translate a page like in Chrome.
Anyway, as Opera don't have a translation service, adding a translation feature may depend on a legal agreement with one of those services.
Unload toolbar from extension icons驴?
How it would be useful?
Reset browser option when problems detected?
A rest button would be interesting, something like the one in flags page.
Anyway, none of those could be called basic features.
Many posts problems are solved cleaning cookies and cache, it could be managed without asking in the forums with an easy access and an info banner
It may work for the more 'tech savvy' users who know what to do and, more than everything, know what they are doing. The others would still ask for help.
And cleaning cookies should be an ultimate solution as it makes the user loose many site configurations.>
Of course, but usually the question should be:
How satisfied are the users with the product?
Are we fulfilling the needings?Welcome to capitalism. Welcome to real world. :-D>
Without extensions, Chromium is nothing
Why?
I use only one extension in Chrome, mainly for testing purposes. In Opera I use two at the moment, none of them I could call essential.
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zalex108 last edited by
Well, I could understand your opinion.
About Opera, I don't understand his strategy...
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zalex108 last edited by
http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2014/11/feedback-feedback-feedback/
A post pointing to Suggestions box will be need it. 卢卢
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zalex108 last edited by admin
What strategy exactly? On what?
https://forums.opera.com/post/119085
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by admin
What strategy exactly? On what?
Well, just because something has been requeste doesn't mean that it should be implemented because of all the reasons already listed.
BTW: http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2017/04/opera-developer-46-0-2567-0-update/#comment-3264703977
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nekomajin last edited by
They always say security is a priority, but still, I have to use an extension if I want to have an overview of site permissions. The Chrome solution is very good. They could use it, at least least until it gets a priority.
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zalex108 last edited by
Well, just because something has been requeste doesn't mean that it should be implemented because of all the reasons already listed.
BTW: http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2017/04/opera-developer-46-0-2567-0-update/#comment-3264703977That option it's a must to keep a clean UI.
You don't need to see some extension icons rarely clicked but used, and I don't want to hide the icon from toolbar and spend time every time I need to modify something on it.
Also reorder extensions and keep them organized it's an aspect of good behavior.Some requests are extremely easy to understand.
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leocg Moderator Volunteer last edited by
That option it's a must to keep a clean UI.
Also reorder extensions and keep them organized it's an aspect of good behavior.
Maybe for those users who use a bunch of extensions, but how many they are? It worths the efforts to implement such feature?
There are many questions that need to be answered before adding or changing something.
You don't need to see some extension icons rarely clicked but used, and I don't want to hide the icon from toolbar and spend time every time I need to modify something on it.
And how that feature would help on that?
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zalex108 last edited by
You don't need to see some extension icons rarely clicked but used, and I don't want to hide the icon from toolbar and spend time every time I need to modify something on it.
And how that feature would help on that?
Hide + Reordering
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zalex108 last edited by admin
This is not what I mean,
聽it's useful just for very few of them.
I mean this
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A Former User last edited by
There is a nice Opera extension called "Policy Control" which allows one to make exceptions for 11 preference settings for individual sites.
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zalex108 last edited by
Nice,
I have another extensions but i'll try that too.BTW, I prefer that kind of option menus built in the browser itself.
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