@chewy I submitted a bug report myself and I would have to think encouraging everyone on this thread to do so might well have some salutary effect. If they get flooded with complaints at home maybe they'll do something. In the meantime . . . I've downloaded Vivaldi to see how it ticks and if it can be made to work as well. Losing that feature truly is dramatic. I discovered it organically and used it constantly. It was just so beautiful and natural.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg I fail to see how this is in any sense fake. There's a quite real problem with the user experience of the browser. It needs fixing. If that's the only we can get them to pay attention then so be it. That's what we do.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg I think perhaps you're using a rather technical definition of "bug report." The truth is most of us aren't programmers. We're ordinary users. To me a "bug" is a problem with a program. Well, this is a problem. You can see how very passionate folks are about this from the volume of dissatisfaction today alone. Lots of veteran users talking about leaving the platform and taking their business elsewhere. That, I should think, is something the dev team would want to know.
A fair few people have said the devs don't follow the forums, so . . . how do you let them know what the problem is? Filing a bug report seems like a pretty straightforward solution. And if they chose to ignore it, so be it. But if this is what people complain about the most then it really is the biggest problem and it's not simply "distracting" from some other "real" problem.
My bug report was polite. I don't think I'm acting like a spoiled child by suggesting the problem could use fixing. To be incredibly frank, your characterization feels like a personal attack. If you want to teach me about bug reports you might approach the problem more directly. Something along the lines of "Here's what a bug report is for."
Anyway, my sympathy to you if it's your job to defend this change. I truly have loved Opera over the years and I want to see it succeed. But I'm willing to examine a different browser if it comes to it. (Heck, I maintain my own baby website, so I use a half dozen browsers to check it anyway.) But we're getting off topic. The subject here is how to fix a problem: how do we get the recently closed tabs button back. As of right now, there's no good answer that I see. -
RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg Where it pops up in yet another new tab and you have to navigate through even more new territory and further out of your workflow. I suppose we'll all just have to learn a new interface.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
It only shows three closed tabs, and not consistently even the most recently closed tabs. Just a seemingly random assortment from different domains. And I have no need whatsoever for something to show me active tabs. I can see those since they're . . . active. They're pretty visible. The ease of retrieving a closed tab probably helped ween me off keeping fifteen tabs open at once, much as tabs helped ween me off multiple browser windows twenty years ago. This might not be quite as bad as trying to get rid of tabs by replacing it with something else, but it's not far off. The closed tab button changed the way I browse; the way I navigate. And it was a fairly clear change for the better. I could browse faster. This doesn't feel like a small loss at all. Which is why I'm now looking at other browsers and extensions to restore the lost functionality. I try to use the search in tabs button and it consistently fails me. It almost never has the tab I want. So I end up going to a less attractive add on to find it. I could go to history, but . . . why? It's more clicks and takes longer to use.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@duulket, To test your theory I just closed five tabs quickly and attempted to recover them using only the search tab. Quite intentionally didn't pay close attention to what they were, but it was this one, a Wikipedia tab, an urban development forum, a google maps page, and a store page. I was able to recover the Wiki, the forum, and this. I could have recovered the map. But the store page never did show up. It skipped that and showed the maps page, a related page I'd closed earlier, and the already opened forum. And when I typed "kitchen set," which turns out to be the title the tab is showing now that I have recovered it otherwise, it actually crashed my browser. It showed no results. I hit enter. The browser just . . . disappeared. I don't think I'll be repeating that process when clicking a button and the selecting from a list is four times faster and doesn't require me to change approaches midstream. Thank you for the suggestion, but you may keep it. Not sure where you found it, but it's a tad smelly.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@duulket, To test your theory I just closed five tabs quickly and attempted to recover them using only the search tab. Quite intentionally didn't pay close attention to what they were, but it was this one, a Wikipedia tab, an urban development forum, a google maps page, and a store page. I was able to recover the Wiki, the forum, and this. I could have recovered the map. But the store page never did show up. It skipped that and showed the maps page, a related page I'd closed earlier, and the already opened forum. And when I typed "kitchen set," which turns out to be the title the tab is showing now that I have recovered it otherwise, it actually crashed my browser. It showed no results. I hit enter. The browser just . . . disappeared. I don't think I'll be repeating that process when clicking a button and the selecting from a list is four times faster and doesn't require me to change approaches midstream. Thank you for the suggestion, but you may keep it. Not sure where you found it, but it's a tad smelly.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
It only shows three closed tabs, and not consistently even the most recently closed tabs. Just a seemingly random assortment from different domains. And I have no need whatsoever for something to show me active tabs. I can see those since they're . . . active. They're pretty visible. The ease of retrieving a closed tab probably helped ween me off keeping fifteen tabs open at once, much as tabs helped ween me off multiple browser windows twenty years ago. This might not be quite as bad as trying to get rid of tabs by replacing it with something else, but it's not far off. The closed tab button changed the way I browse; the way I navigate. And it was a fairly clear change for the better. I could browse faster. This doesn't feel like a small loss at all. Which is why I'm now looking at other browsers and extensions to restore the lost functionality. I try to use the search in tabs button and it consistently fails me. It almost never has the tab I want. So I end up going to a less attractive add on to find it. I could go to history, but . . . why? It's more clicks and takes longer to use.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg Where it pops up in yet another new tab and you have to navigate through even more new territory and further out of your workflow. I suppose we'll all just have to learn a new interface.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg I think perhaps you're using a rather technical definition of "bug report." The truth is most of us aren't programmers. We're ordinary users. To me a "bug" is a problem with a program. Well, this is a problem. You can see how very passionate folks are about this from the volume of dissatisfaction today alone. Lots of veteran users talking about leaving the platform and taking their business elsewhere. That, I should think, is something the dev team would want to know.
A fair few people have said the devs don't follow the forums, so . . . how do you let them know what the problem is? Filing a bug report seems like a pretty straightforward solution. And if they chose to ignore it, so be it. But if this is what people complain about the most then it really is the biggest problem and it's not simply "distracting" from some other "real" problem.
My bug report was polite. I don't think I'm acting like a spoiled child by suggesting the problem could use fixing. To be incredibly frank, your characterization feels like a personal attack. If you want to teach me about bug reports you might approach the problem more directly. Something along the lines of "Here's what a bug report is for."
Anyway, my sympathy to you if it's your job to defend this change. I truly have loved Opera over the years and I want to see it succeed. But I'm willing to examine a different browser if it comes to it. (Heck, I maintain my own baby website, so I use a half dozen browsers to check it anyway.) But we're getting off topic. The subject here is how to fix a problem: how do we get the recently closed tabs button back. As of right now, there's no good answer that I see. -
RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@leocg I fail to see how this is in any sense fake. There's a quite real problem with the user experience of the browser. It needs fixing. If that's the only we can get them to pay attention then so be it. That's what we do.
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RE: Where is the "Recently closed tabs/Tab menu" button on the top right?Opera for computers
@chewy I submitted a bug report myself and I would have to think encouraging everyone on this thread to do so might well have some salutary effect. If they get flooded with complaints at home maybe they'll do something. In the meantime . . . I've downloaded Vivaldi to see how it ticks and if it can be made to work as well. Losing that feature truly is dramatic. I discovered it organically and used it constantly. It was just so beautiful and natural.