Posts made by nightmaresoul

I could be mistaken, but this topic is about appearance feedback concerning Opera One ? So why is Himmelsheriff attacking forums members, by calling them strange ,who are leaving feedback, insinuating that they are "false users" or that their criticism lacks any value ? It seems counter productive for the moderators to allow such a toxic environment to continue to build just to have one voice that is both supporting the new appearance, while also trying to push users out of the Opera community towards Vivaldi because they do not meet his purity test requirements. As someone who has been a fan of Opera since around 2003, I hope Opera and their forum moderators will hear the suggestions and criticism to improve Opera One to what would make their base happy while allowing the potential for testing and growth of new features for those who would be inclined to use them.

PS. Himmelsheriff, deleting your reply is an interesting way to send me a message though it lacks a certain something. None the less you said no one has given you a convincing reason for the "new" forum users. So I have to ask you, what makes your approval give validity to their criticism, or perceptions ? As well why do you think anyone should be inclined to spend the time to convince you.? Convincing you might have value if you are the lead developer, CEO, President, or what have you, Baring you being a member of the development team, part of the corporate structure, or a monied backer your approval, or disapproval lacks any merit to the discussion at hand, Equal to that however what have you done to convince the new members or the old ones that you are arguing in good faith ?

It's possible I am an outlier here with as many tabs as I normally have open but the new tab bar is a bloody mess to sort through. I cannot select a tab if its playing video or music, other than to mute it not go back to it without having to search it, and the tabs are so bright it makes having night mode on useless. I hope that Opera One will allow users to have more control over the gui appearance and set up. As right now its a bloody mess.!!

I am in agreement with Nana1nana1, the tabs have become comically bright and cartoonish. I have my system set to dark which is almost useless with as much light as my tabs are throwing. Please put the opera interface back to how it was. Or at least give the users choice in preference for gui appearance.

@ceedee Well I suppose then the question would be how many were on your watchlist as in how much was it loading ? My current level of stacks in the watch list is 770 stacks. On the plus side however Version 76.0.4017.154 has seemingly relegated the crashes down to only the tab. However it can crash the tab when its not the active tab, just moving the mouse over the tab seems to crash it randomly as well.

Windows 10 Pro 20H2 Build 19042.985
Opera Version:76.0.4017.123
https://www.deviantart.com

The problem arose shortly after I updated to version 76. I had far far more tabs open than would be wise on any browser aside from Opera. At least 134 tabs if not more. It had been stable and able to manage although after updating to version 76 there were occasional freezes when attempting to upload pictures or files to emails or facebook. Then I started looking through my Deviantart watch list. That completely crashed opera and deleted all open tabs. I had assumed wrongly that perhaps Opera had finally met its upper limit of open tabs, and accepted my fate. The next time I had DeviantArt up and was going through my watchlist, it did it again, this time with 4 tabs open. I attempted to follow the instructions for a clean re-install. I loaded up one tab with youtube playing music, and another tab of deviantart and it did it again. After that I reinstalled my profile folders and such, which failed to transfer extensions or even bookmarks. I have attempted Deviantart with my files returned and the problem remains, however on Vivaldi Deviantart seems to work flawlessly.

As for steps to attempt to reproduce the issue for someone else they would need a watchlist on deviant art and then attempt to scroll through it. That should work to reproduce it.

The expected behavior would be that the browser would remain up, and the site would be usable, or if the site has some glitch in its coding that its tripping up Opera that it would simply kill the single tab not the whole browser. The actual behavior is that browsing deviantart with Opera is a game of musical chairs, the music doesn't always stop immediately but normally within 5 to 10 minutes the music stops and Opera vaporizes the chair.

I use quite a few actually, but I had disabled them all during testing to see if it was being caused by any of them. However assuming they remained problematic while disabled here is the list of the active extensions.

Adblock for Youtube Version 2.26
Adblock Plus Version 1.8.12
AdBlock Premium Version 2.6.4.5
Adblock Pro Version 3.1
Adblock Super Version 2.7.3
Add Bookmark Version 1.1.5
Adguard Version 1.0.3.8
Anything2MP3 Converter and Downloader Version 0.3
Blur: Protect your passwords, payments & privacy Version 4.7.1505
Classic Tabs Version 1.6
Dark Skin for Youtube Version 1.3.24
Disconnect Version 5.17.3
Download Chrome Extension Version 2.2.3
Dress-up Webpage Version 2.0
Facebook adless Version 3.1.1
Facebook Disconnect Version 1.6.6
Facebook Image Direct URL Version 0.6.0
Fix Google Image Search Version 1.2.2
FVD Video Downloader Version 1.2.9
Grammarly Spell Checker & Grammar Checker Version 3.0.98
Local pass store Version 1.5
Manga Viewer Version 1.9.1.2
My theme for Facebook Version 3.2.0
Night Mode Version 2.0
oClock Version 1.5.7.1
Save Image to Downloads Version 1.0.5
SearchBar Version 0.8.4
Show passwords Version 1.1
Social Fixer for Facebook Version 12.0
SuperSorter Version 0.4.4
Tidy Bookmarks Version 2.2
Y!Mail AdsFree Version 2.0
Zoom Version 1.1.0.5

Seems the private window is not affected by whatever is the problem with the normal window.

I have to wait to see, I cleared the cache last night pretty late before I could get back here.

Version:28.0.1750.48 - Opera is up to date Update stream: Stable System:Windows 7 64-bit (WoW64).
Over the last three weeks, When I search for something through the speed dial window or just visit google itself the page holds for about five seconds and then crashes. I have disabled extensions testing to find out if it was an extension yet it appears to not be. I have cleared my cache which seems to stop the problem for a little while, at the shortest 5 minutes at the longest a day. So is anyone else experiencing this, and if so have you found a workaround?

LOL... Let's see - according to the dictionary rabble means a: mob, crowd, throng, gang, swarm, horde, pack, mass and generally angry can be added as an appropriate adjective. Yes, indeed... we have among us a rabble who refuse to listen and simply whine on and on as though their whining will produce positive results. It won't. The so-called War is non-existent. Well, it exists insofar as there is disagreement between two groups but that is hardly a war. However, since the disagreement does exist (and in some cases it's downright nasty from the whining group), then here's a news flash for that gang. The War, as it were, is over. You've lost. Presto will not continue to be developed. Can you grasp that fact? Evidently while you enjoy likening yourselves to a power group of users, those who continue to complain and whine the loudest have difficulty grasping simple facts. So allow me to offer some constructive advice:

Continue to use whatever version of Opera Presto you currently use and be content
Install Opera 20+ alongside your current browser and watch its development with an OPEN MIND
Find an alternate browser and be content
Stop your whining, backbiting, blaming, prognosticating and just generally being tiresome trolls

There you go. And I won't even charge you for this advice. BTW... Opera 20 is awesome.

@Leushino, Actually that would be a thesaurus your quoting. The Dictionary would state the definition of Rabble like this "rabble noun

1.disorderly crowd; mob.

2.the rabble, the lower classes; the common people"

Which to call anyone who holds a differing opinion as a lower class is insulting. As for a mob it has a similarly less glorified definitions that are often the main interpretation to native speakers of the language. As for the term war, I will give you that this is not a war by common definition so much as a disagreement that leads to the concept of a flame-war upon the forums. Again however you are adding to the problem yet again by blaming the Prestovists, and then also calling them trolls. Although your first, and second pieces of advice are good,the third is a good portion of the aim of posts where the flame-wars have erupted. The Forth however isn't terribly helpful. Oh well..

Anyhow I'll take a Guinness, my old Amiga 1200..Hooray for Bards Tales.

@Lem729
Sorry your my current extension Guru, so I may have just signed you up for a horribly tedious task.

Ah, I see the rabble is out and about spreading lies, distortions and misinformation. One has to wonder why they continue to haunt a place they appear to hate so vehemently. Opera Presto is dead in terms of future development. Opera Blink is the new Opera. DEAL WITH IT.
`Lueshino

This is a prime example of missing the point. The Thread's name is "Let's Stop this War" yet calling people you disagree with rabble is not going to help that cause, as a matter of fact it very well could inflame the problem. Equally you state that they are spreading lies, distortions, and misinformation, yet offer no corrections or state what aspects of where the claims are false while providing citations to the accurate information. Also the Prestovists or old power users, do not hate Opera if they did then they would just walk already. It is simply that they loved Opera when it was Presto, and would like to see what they loved return in one fashion or another.

@Ersi

I think in general terms the Widgets failed to gain traction and a mass following of development from the user base. I could of course be incorrect about the three features your mentioning as they were not features I used; however I believe that when they phased out Widgets they implemented extensions at about the same time. As for Unite I believe they only changed its name or Turbo or possibly Dragonfly ? As for voice I remember its addition but do not recall it being functional the few times I attempted to play with it. Either or you have at least started something I was hoping someone would do which is helping to list all features of the Presto versions of Opera. As I think that with a viable list of all the power features found in Presto, Lem729 could potentially offer a list of extensions that may be able to at least mimic those features for 20 and help calm some of the anger and disappointment due to the loss of those native features.

@Lem729

I looked for a new titling system that wouldn't raise as many hackles. Although I certainly understand the dislike of personal attacks. They give nothing useful for the discussion and only add fire to an already boiling cauldron. As for the beneficiaries feeling grievously wronged I would say that it is much the same as being given a brand new top of the line muscle car fully loaded, and once you've put ten miles on the odometer having it unceremoniously taken away from you, by the person who gave it to you, and being given a Prius instead. Certainly some people like the Prius, but some also like the muscle car but thats subjective which is in general the problem with the war. Each version Opera Presto, and Opera Blink have their shares of Pros and Cons which are objective and can be enumerated yet are not. Obviously each side believes theirs is correct either by the list of pros or by the realistic views voiced where it comes to economic concerns and corporate policy. To the Prestovists it seems like a bait and switch, to the Blinkists it seems like people crying over spilled milk. However engaging those who's rants and raves are based on an emotional reaction with anything other than either sympathy or compassion will only turn the Prestovists ire upon that person which may dilute the anger they have towards Opera for a brief moment but it also works to build up their resentment, disappointment and anger towards the company. I also see the update today for 12.16 to 12.17 as something that may rally the Prestovists to have hope, which may only herald a greater resentment from that camp if 12.17 is the official end. As for the economic side I think Blackbird did it to perfection, although it does beg the question of the aim of Opera releasing a free browser to grow its market share then would not splitting their community due to removal of features not lower the market share swiftly ?

It seems to me that the core disagreement held between the Opera Prestovists and the New Opera Blinkists comes down to features. If you look at early editions of Opera with each new update new features were added. The Switch between Presto and Blink however removed all of the old features and implemented extensions as the primary way to expand the browsers capabilities. Many of which were the core aspect of why they choose Opera over Chrome, IE, Firefox, and other browsers. In essence they had a mansion built up and learned to live in it and love it, and then they went out, came home, and found the whole mansions save for the house number and a single room had turned to ash. As Lem729 has shown me many of the functionalities present in Presto do exist under the new blink system as variant extensions. Those extensions are certainly close although none have shown themselves to be identical or as well refined as Presto, but they have the capacity to become identical or surpass what was in Presto. That said there seems to also be shots fired in both directions of this argument. Blinkists believe there is no use in complaining or bemoaning the fate and direction that Opera is moving in, where Prestovists are upset and thus willing to argue when they are told to suck it up. Personally I loved Opera 12.16 (presto) and use it for the majority of my browsing, but I am currently giving Opera 20 equal face time with a few extensions to mimic what I mainly used in 12.16. In the end though I think the Prestovists would not be opposed to Opera 21 if it embodied the freedom of customization and functionality found in Presto, along with the rendering and flexibility of Blink. However I do not believe that simply asking for a war to end will end it. What needs to be done to end the war is either wait for a compromise from Opera to find a middle ground of merging the abilities of both, or to just let Prestovists voice their disagreements and ignore them until they give it up as futile.

Also it seems Tidy Bookmarks not available in Operas extension list on site unless your looking for it in Spanish o.O. Anyhow I hope that Opera will re-invigorate some of the beauty and majesty they had in 12.16 into Opera 21.

Well Topical Folders on 12.16 I have set into 9 main folders with sub-folders underneath them and then of course some free floating radicals outside the folders above and below. So that might be a viable alternative at least for leisurely hunting . Although Somehow I see that slowing down the Speed dials preview system massively. As for the applications from 12.16 that are needed sounds like a vast majority are in Tidy, although renaming and re-description of sites, Alphabetically works for me although 12.16 also had arrange by date added, visited, description, address, nick name or your own set order, as well it also had the addition of separators to help define if you will sub sections in a long list that were not numerous enough for their own to merit a folder. It was also included in the browser not as an addition.

I have not tried adblock Plus and disconnect but I may load them in just to see how they work out.

Lem729, I apologize the preview kinda garbled my list.

1.Bring back the ability to have a menu bar if a user wants it.

 1a.Bookmarks bring them back. 

2.Bring back Content Blocker.

3.Allow customization of the browser, sure the out of the box slick look could be native.

4.Be OPERA, Not Google, and Not Microsoft. Opera has been, up till the travesty that was 15 to present, the best browser on the market.

5.Focus on being functional over pretty, if you give the users the ability and they will make it pretty.

6.You want to know what customizations people want added look at the extensions being made for the current travesty, and anything that is outside of what was in 12.16 might be worth looking into as an extension.

7.Remember your community loves you and wants you to succeed.

As for the bookmarks I have a few seperate extensions hooked into 20 presently to allow me to import my bookmarks so far they make using them far less efficient or useful. The bookmarks tool-bar however well how to explain the problem with that. The Tool-bar would be inadequate for the 1500 sites I have bookmarked and organized. As for the new pimped out Speed dial that I admit I was not aware of and may have to take a look as to how its managed to see if it can be a viable alternative.

As for the Content Blocker it worked as an adblocker but it allowed the disabling of advertisements or unwelcome content on any page from any server and also prevented malware from being uploaded into the temp files. I have tried a variety of adblockers and most of the ones I have tried lack the power & control of the content blocker.

As for me I am an old power user who likes the power and abilities of 12.16, I doubt that Opera could not engineer Opera 12.16's abilities into the Chromium and Blink systems, but that it may take time, and I am hopeful that they will.

I would love for Opera to bring back all of the features for 12.16 that browser was and still is a god send.

Well I am a Opera fanboy, but I agree with you Funksoulbro. So Far the only browser I have found that works comparably to Opera 12.16 is Opera 12.16. If you find any others that are as good and are seeing a consistent stream of work being put to them, please come back and inform me.

I have been with Opera for....a long time I would like to be able to be specific, but alas I know it was before Windows Vista existed, but little remains in my memory of that point. I Have forced friends and family to download it and use it. Because frankly I loved each version of up through Opera 12.16. As a browser it was unparalleled in ability and customization. Extensions could in fact be helpful in 12.16 but were not necessary to use it. I have opera 20 installed as well as Opera 12.16 still, yet I touch 20 very little. Things that I would love to see Opera do which I know they can do.

1.Bring back the ability to have a menu bar if a user wants it.
1 a.Bookmarks bring them back.
2.Bring back Content Blocker.
3.Allow customization of the browser, sure the out of the box slick look could be native.
4.Be OPERA, Not Google, and Not Microsoft. Opera has been, up till the travesty that was 15 to present, the best browser on the market.
5.Focus on being functional over pretty, if you give the users the ability and they will make it pretty.
6.You want to know what customizations people want added look at the extensions being made for the current travesty, and anything that is outside of what was in 12.16 might be worth looking into as an extension.
7.Remember your community loves you and wants you to succeed.

So as someone who has been with Opera through many long years, I ask you Opera come back to your users.