Posts made by MarqM

@marqm said in Lost My Opened Tabs:

correct start (no tab loss, displaying the last opened tab)
start without tab loss but with start page first
start with complete tab loss in last opened workspace with start page only

I have to add a fourth possibility to this list, it happened just a few minutes ago:

• correct start (no tab loss, displaying the last opened tab)
• start without tab loss but with start page first
• start with complete tab loss in last opened workspace with start page only
• start without tab loss but with start page first in the last opened workspace, but complete tab loss at another workspace with start page only (only one workspace affected)

Wow, a completely new feature: randomized bug symptoms.

@mixchild I guess you mean "one workspace"?.
However I experienced the same at least once with the latest three Opera One releases (currently version 102.0.4880.33 on Windows 11 Home), that all tabs of the last opened workspace where wiped out at starting the first browser window.
It seems that Opera does not properly distinguish between the first opened window and any further "New Window", which is opened with empty workspaces, except one speed dial tab.
According to my settings the first browser window should be opened with my last tab configuration. Occasionally it works that way but in most cases it still starts by displaying an additional speed dial window and not the last opened tab, consequently overriding my setting not to "Display the start page first". And once in a while it starts the last opened workspace empty with only the start page, treating the workspace as if it was part of a "New Window".

But what Opera does when starting the first window is totally unpredictable. I do not use islands and I always close Opera the same way and I get all 3 possibilities on startup as described above, no idea how to reproduce them:

• correct start (no tab loss, displaying the last opened tab)
• start without tab loss but with start page first
• start with complete tab loss in last opened workspace with start page only

@markus443 I do not exactly understand your confusion. Every app I worked with provides the option to open a new page/tab/window/sheet... whatever as a base for a completely new document/project/drawing/model... Nobody would expect that a new page in MSWord would be filled with text when you open it. But when opening a new browser window in Opera some people obviously expect that it automatically shares content from somewhere or is automatically filled with tabs. Why? So in case you would want to start from scratch you would have to delete the shared content first?

However, I agree that the workspace concept has plenty of room for improvement.
My suggestions for additional workspace and windows features would be as a start:

• the option to "open a duplicate window" - containing all tabs from the source window (workspaces are included already anyway)

• "workspace synchronization": sharing all tabs from a workspace of a source window with the same workspace in the target window(s)

• "option to "share single tabs" of the same workspace between different windows (e.g. dropdown menu at the tab with checkboxes for the open windows - tab should be shared with windows 2 and 5 e.g.)

Sorry @leocg , my intention was for sure not to provide the source for the post above.

@leocg according to my experience, the functionality of workspaces has not changed since they were introduced, therefore I would have never expected to open anything other than tabs inside them. Even in the workspace description here https://forums.opera.com/topic/61763/workspaces/1 no windows are mentioned: "Workspaces are a feature in Opera that lets you organize your tabs into different groups in a dedicated tab strip, like rooms in a house. Each workspace is like a different room, and you can customize them based on your browsing habits."
I really wonder where this phrase "Workspaces contain windows and tabs" may come from.

@leocg I have been using workspaces since they were introduced in Opera, when their number was limited to 5 (I think it was). They are and have always been very much the same as the multiple desktop feature in Windows. This was my impression at least and I always used them that way. Just rename "Desktop" to "workspace" and "app" to "tab" and apply it to a browser.

@leocg how should that work? You can only define workspaces inside a window. And now you want to open a regular window inside a workspace which is part of every new window you open?

@leocg it seems you are mixing up terms here. The "windows" you can open inside workspaces are called "tabs".

@terminatedprocess I understood the point of your post. I just thought that the speed dial folders could at least help a bit to bring some order into your speed dial as long as the feature you suggest is not available, that was all.

@cirenjules I would not call that a workaround. It is just one of the two possible methods to work with tab islands in the current state. The first one is to hover over all collapsed islands to see its content, the second method would be to expand the islands before starting to work with them. Both methods could be quite time consuming when the tab bar is clustered with those colorful dashes, not at all convenient when I want to find content quickly.
My "workaround" is not to use tab islands as long as they can not be configured that way, that they do not play hide and seek with me for my content.
This is just like having a library at home and then deliberately wiping out the labeling at the back of the books - how reasonable is that?

@cirenjules In my opinion, naming the island only makes sense when the name stays visible when the island is collapsed. There is a reason when I establish a tab in the tab bar. I have searched for a content and I want to keep it to be able to look it up whenever I need it without having to search for it again. How reasonable is it to hide away the searched content completely in such a featureless dash so that you finally have to search for it again in your tab bar, when there are only lots of those meaningless dashes there. This is outright absurd.

@fidelius no lost tabs confirmed with Opera 100.0.4815.76, Windows 11 Home. I tested tab islands and I have a group of pinned tabs (those disguised islands) back on my tab bar as I had before, which had been the guaranty for tab wipe outs on my system. The only issue remaining is, that Opera sometimes still starts with the start page and not with the last open tab - this seems to happen totally at random.

@ehlly you are right, pinned tabs groups have a very strange behavior for islands. They do not collapse and they are created regardless if the option to automatically create tab islands is enabled or not. The whole tab islands concept is not consistent.

@ehlly according to my experience, at least in the 2 latest Opera versions: version: 100.0.4815.54 and the previous one on Windows 11 Home, a group of pinned tabs is automatically treated as an island. At least there is the same pop up window as for an island when the cursor is placed at the very left side of the group.
Unfortunately islands are currently not a feature but a virus. Every time I create an island in a session I loose all open tabs in all workspaces at the next start of Opera. Avoiding to have them created helps for the moment.

Regarding your suggestion, I absolutely agree. This topic was already discussed here [https://forums.opera.com/post/315992] b.t.w.

@mixchild sorry to hear that my workaround does not work for you. But instead of accusing me to spread misinfo (implying that I don't tell the truth which is quite insulting...) when your system reacts differently to mine, it may be more helpful to provide information here, developers who may read our thread could work with.
In none of your posts you ever mentioned your system specifications, you only state that something is not working...
It seems that Opera One runs less stable on Windows 10 than on Windows 11 for example. I did not experience the issue that Opera crashes when a tab is dragged to the upper left corner of the browser window in Windows 11 Home, users on Windows 10 reported this issue. There seems to be also some influence if synchronization is used or not regarding stability...

To my big surprise, the last Opera Update to version 100.0.4815.54 went without a further tab wipe out. I accomplished this by avoiding any usage of the tab islands feature. For that it is not sufficient to just deactivate the automatic creation of islands and not assembling them manually. This feature creeps back in action as soon as you use groups of pinned tabs. When you assemble pinned tabs to a group they automatically become a tab island, regardless if you have turned the automatic tab islands creation on or off.
At the last Opera update I had neither any tab islands nor any pinned tabs active. This seemingly was sufficient to avoid a tab wipe out at the update and I had no further wipe outs since I avoid tab islands creation in any form.
And some minor buggy behavior I would like to mention: every day at the first start of Opera the last active workspace starts with the start page and not with the last open tab, even though "Display the start page first" is deactivated in my settings.

Not confirmed with Opera 100.0.4815.47 Win11

@natcuber said in [Request]Allow selecting tabs all the way to the edge of the screen:

@optrin Can yall try to open 2 tabs, and then quickly drag the tab on the right to the top left corner and let go? This crashes Opera for me every time.

I tried it, I get a new browser window with the dragged tab opened in it, no crash.

@mixchild said in Lost My Opened Tabs:

@marqm You are just spreading misinfo. only way to stop this happening is dev's fixing it or using tab suspender extension to suspend all tabs before quitting opera, that fixes the issue for now.

What do you mean with misinfo? All I wrote is what I experienced, hoping this information can help to fix the issue. What kind of misinfo could it be, when I report what works for me to avoid the symptoms of this issue for the moment?

Yet another complete tab wipe out as I opened a link from an email in Opera. Opera was started by clicking on the email link, no instance of Opera was open before.
Not sure what caused this one actually.
As mentioned in my previous post, I had no issues as long as I did not touch any islands, neither let them create automatically nor assemble them manually.
But, as I recently recognized, Opera now interprets a group of pinned tabs as an island, at least you get the same pop up window as for an island when the mouse cursor is placed at the very left of the group of pinned tabs. (Unfortunately attaching images still not working)

Lets see what happens when I don't use pinned tabs in the next days, if the tab wipe outs persist and if there is an influence when an external link is opened in Opera, as experienced just now.

First attempt to start Opera from an email link without having any open tabs pinned caused no further tab wipe out so far...

Windows 11 Home up to date
Opera One version: 100.0.4815.47
I use a single browser window with 15 workspaces, "Automatically create tab islands" disabled.