Same thing just happened. Rather annoying, as Tampermonkey is incredibly useful. Yet another reason to run portable versions of these browsers? (Which can't update without your approval.)

I agree that the current setup is a little counter-intuitive. Workspaces make more sense as a master grouping of both Windows and Tabs. So when you flip to a new workspace, it would replace all of your open windows and tabs with new ones, truly shuffling you to a new task or part of your day, and freeing up those system resources.

For example, you might be working with stocks in the morning, and have 300 tabs open across a bunch of windows. Lots of graphs, lots of pages with company info. Then after market closes, you might flip to some research and articles, and have 50 tabs open across a couple windows. Then in the evening you might flip to an entertainment workspace, which has your favourite fanfics, YouTube channels and web comics open, plus some DnD research - only 100-150 tabs there across a bunch of windows. And finally when you need to, flip to your shopping workspace for your next computer upgrade or some Amazon.ca purchases, which might also have 50-150 tabs open. (Since wishlists suck and randomly empty themselves at many eStores. Amazon excluded.)

I would also use it for the occasional work project, like maintaining some websites for businesses. Right now I use tab folders that can open 10-20 pages, but I am annoyed by that as when I make new folders the old ones are always moved around. I'm used to Firefox/PaleMoon where they get added to the end, not rearranging stuff as you add more. The window for adding them is also so tiny, I can never see their names (should be 3-4x as wide and as tall as possible) - and it lacks F2 renaming, and doesn't keep folders open to subfolders, so organization-on-the-fly is hard - I would definitely use a workspace for this given the current state of the bookmark system.

And then some programming projects that I work on sporadically (maybe every 3-6 months), so don't need the tabs open. But when working on them, I need tons of reference pages up in front of me, so again I'd have 50-100 tabs. Once again, once you add that many as bookmarks, they get rearranged and shove each other around, and also clutter up your search bar when you type stuff in. Opera was not designed with having 4k-20k bookmarks in mind. True workspaces are just a better fit for many of these tasks.

That is definitely not how I use workspaces in other software. You can do exactly what you're doing right now with bookmark folders and clicking 'open all tabs'. Have one for Twitter, one for Facebook - have an entertainment one with all your different streaming services, etc.; bookmarks already do what you want.

For me, I agree with all points made in the original post...

• Workspaces should be the parent element to the Windows and Tabs that they contain.

• Session saving should be forced on if you choose to use workspaces, so that you never accidentally lose windows. "Emptying" a workspace should be something that you can do from the right-click menu, with lots of warning messages before hand.

• There should be the option of opening/closing all windows/tabs tied to them just by clicking on them. And having two or more workspaces open at once, in case a user feels as slashdot does, as that could help fit his use style.

@derloopkat To get around that you need to go into the device manager, manually update the driver, choose "Have Disk", then point it to an extracted version of that driver. (Use 7-zip and right-click -> Extract the Intel driver update.) Once you replace the OEM specific driver with a generic intel one, you can install it properly immediately after. I did that to an old HP laptop a while back, and saw WEI scores jump from like 4.9 to 5.4. What a difference an up to date graphics driver makes.

That said, guess why I am here?

Flickering crazy selection crap (up to 4 different shades/colours jostling and jumping around in the background as I type) on:

Win10 x64 1803
GTX 1070
391.35

I typically have at least two or three web browsers open at once, and also office software like LibreOffice.

Hi,

I am on Win10 Pro. I'm not sure if it is a bug or a missing feature, but when you turn off tab previews in the Settings, they don't actually turn off when you do Ctrl+Tab or Ctrl+PageDown to cycle through them. (I always map tab cycling to Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab)

It's rather annoying. I often have a few hundred tabs open. (Many on the exact same website / forums.) If I need to quickly flick through 20 or 30 to check and see if there have been any updates, it slows the process down dramatically. The whole screen flashes, fades dark, a giant scrollable list appears, and the preview is too low quality to read anything. Then you have to fully let go and the screen flashes bright again. It's very jarring. My eyes could focus much easier and it would save me a lot of time if I could just cycle from one tab to the next without the transition effects. When I've got 20 or 30 in a row, traditional tab cycling might only take 10 or 15 seconds to flick through them and take note of whether anything requires reading. With the fade transitions in between, it's more like a minute or two thanks to eye-refocus time.

Thanks. Hope this can be implemented/fixed.

@burnout426 It's usually invoices for me - so public pages? Not yet.

@leacg Yes, Chrome and other browsers do it too.

Here's an example with personal info blotted out. Amazon is portrait. Newegg.ca is portrait. Newegg order invoices are landscape with no option to change it.

@burnout426 Yep, that did it. Found it in cartDetail-blahblahhex.css - as soon as I removed it, I was able to change the orientation in the print dialog again.

That's just silly that this is even a feature. I see so many ways that this could go wrong. Only makes sense for precisely laying out stuff, which business apps might use - but then they should be using locked down LTS web browsers, not public builds.

@burnout426 Very helpful work-around! Thank you.

In my opinion this should still be in the control of the end user. It's their printer and paper - they probably know best.

Just wondering if there's a way to disable the Suggestions offered in the dropdown list when typing in part of a bookmark name? I recently found out that my banking site and CC site login issues were caused by using the top highlighted links. The Bookmarks and the History options work fine, but the top Suggestion one goes to a login page that spins and never signs in, despite appearing identical to my eyes. This is also the case in incognito mode, which was the first thing that I had tried. Since I've now had a half dozen issues with these "suggestions", I would like to disable it entirely if possible.

I would rather have 5 or 10 rows dedicated to History and Bookmarks. Making it configurable would be great.

Cheers,

@burnout426 Very helpful work-around! Thank you.

In my opinion this should still be in the control of the end user. It's their printer and paper - they probably know best.

@burnout426 Yep, that did it. Found it in cartDetail-blahblahhex.css - as soon as I removed it, I was able to change the orientation in the print dialog again.

That's just silly that this is even a feature. I see so many ways that this could go wrong. Only makes sense for precisely laying out stuff, which business apps might use - but then they should be using locked down LTS web browsers, not public builds.

@burnout426 It's usually invoices for me - so public pages? Not yet.

@leacg Yes, Chrome and other browsers do it too.

Here's an example with personal info blotted out. Amazon is portrait. Newegg.ca is portrait. Newegg order invoices are landscape with no option to change it.

@sgrandin This must be a recent change to Opera. I am having the same problem on some websites, like Newegg. Opera forces them to be Landscape (across 3 pages) when previously the invoice fit on one. If I force it to Portrait in my printer drivers... I get a smaller portrait page printed landscape with a white bar on the right! Oy!

Only certain websites do it. Most still have the option to change the layout. And most still default to Portrait. So I'm assuming there's either some intuitive AI settings thingy at work (which should be disabled IMO - just show me all the options) or they've enabled something that lets websites choose what you can and can't see. (bad form, IMO) Generally when you allow websites to decide what you can see - like if you have a mouse cursor, or whether menu and address bars are there, or whether to go fullscreen, etc - some scammer comes along and combines all the features into a way to trick elderly people and computer novices into paying them money. If you give a website some trust or some rope, they'll hang you with it.

I want my print options back so that I can print invoices properly.

@kramy

@joschua05

It's pretty terribad at the moment. It seems to be caused by specific problematic tabs, at least for me. I had one that sat there spinning, un-closable, and it slowly gobbled up 97% of my memory. If I restarted opera, same thing. It didn't seem to be an extension... the task manager said the pid was that website/tab specifically. My main extensions are click-to-activate ones like Google Translate, and of course uMatrix. I did not see anything like this months ago - must be a recent update.

Link that gobbled all my RAM:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4416988-google-stock-vs-faangs-compares-forecast?app=1&mail_subject=new-articles-by-people-you-follow&utm_campaign=nl-authors-alerts

@slashdot That might be tricky to do if the browser wasn't designed with that in mind. I currently do that by using a mix of Portable browsers.
https://portableapps.com/

(Just offering it as a solution, since the odds of your suggestion being implemented any time soon is... low.)

That is definitely not how I use workspaces in other software. You can do exactly what you're doing right now with bookmark folders and clicking 'open all tabs'. Have one for Twitter, one for Facebook - have an entertainment one with all your different streaming services, etc.; bookmarks already do what you want.

For me, I agree with all points made in the original post...

• Workspaces should be the parent element to the Windows and Tabs that they contain.

• Session saving should be forced on if you choose to use workspaces, so that you never accidentally lose windows. "Emptying" a workspace should be something that you can do from the right-click menu, with lots of warning messages before hand.

• There should be the option of opening/closing all windows/tabs tied to them just by clicking on them. And having two or more workspaces open at once, in case a user feels as slashdot does, as that could help fit his use style.

I agree that the current setup is a little counter-intuitive. Workspaces make more sense as a master grouping of both Windows and Tabs. So when you flip to a new workspace, it would replace all of your open windows and tabs with new ones, truly shuffling you to a new task or part of your day, and freeing up those system resources.

For example, you might be working with stocks in the morning, and have 300 tabs open across a bunch of windows. Lots of graphs, lots of pages with company info. Then after market closes, you might flip to some research and articles, and have 50 tabs open across a couple windows. Then in the evening you might flip to an entertainment workspace, which has your favourite fanfics, YouTube channels and web comics open, plus some DnD research - only 100-150 tabs there across a bunch of windows. And finally when you need to, flip to your shopping workspace for your next computer upgrade or some Amazon.ca purchases, which might also have 50-150 tabs open. (Since wishlists suck and randomly empty themselves at many eStores. Amazon excluded.)

I would also use it for the occasional work project, like maintaining some websites for businesses. Right now I use tab folders that can open 10-20 pages, but I am annoyed by that as when I make new folders the old ones are always moved around. I'm used to Firefox/PaleMoon where they get added to the end, not rearranging stuff as you add more. The window for adding them is also so tiny, I can never see their names (should be 3-4x as wide and as tall as possible) - and it lacks F2 renaming, and doesn't keep folders open to subfolders, so organization-on-the-fly is hard - I would definitely use a workspace for this given the current state of the bookmark system.

And then some programming projects that I work on sporadically (maybe every 3-6 months), so don't need the tabs open. But when working on them, I need tons of reference pages up in front of me, so again I'd have 50-100 tabs. Once again, once you add that many as bookmarks, they get rearranged and shove each other around, and also clutter up your search bar when you type stuff in. Opera was not designed with having 4k-20k bookmarks in mind. True workspaces are just a better fit for many of these tasks.