Posts made by edmarcio

@leocg we will agree to disagree here.
You say that but it is utter useless without profiles.

And like I said before this is a place to ask for new features...

@leocg Chrome doesn't have sidebar configuration so these are where Arc store it... same for Opera that has files to store sidebar configs.

That has nothing to do with the profile for each Space.

When you create a new profile to use in Space it create a full new Chrome profile... so inside Arc userdata you have that:

Default (the default profile it comes)
Profile 1 (the first profile you create)
Profile 2 (the second one)
...
Profile N

This is a default Chromium profile folder... that is what is used to different profiles in each Space.

The files there are 99% similar in name to what you found in Opera profile folders... there is some files different but Opera has some of them too.

Arc is not doing something magical... it is just linking a Chromium profile to one Space... just imagine Spaces as being like another window in Opera (with it own profile) but displayed as a workspace instead window.

When you shift Space everything shift with the data of the other profile... folders, pinned tabs, cookies, bookmarks, etc... the StorableSidebar.json probably holds the configuration of the Spaces and the profiles linked... not the info of what is inside the Space / profile (that data is probably inside each profile folder like Opera has a folder for each profile and display the windows with the data of that profile folder).

See here the Arc data folder: https://i.ibb.co/sj7h9Z6/image-2024-08-26-154538664.png

Arc Default profile: https://i.ibb.co/2dXGZB8/image-2024-08-26-154708011.png

Arc Profile 1: https://i.ibb.co/19b3dyh/image-2024-08-26-154807274.png

Opera Default profile: https://i.ibb.co/Tv3nn33/image-2024-08-26-154909746.png

They probably could even link a profile to a Tab if they wished but I think that should create a mess in terms of organization... linking profiles to Workspace is how Workspace should always work since start.

About demand... I guess there is market for that... at least a bigger market than Opera markeshare because Workspace doesn't make sense at all without different session / profiles... the market share of Opera today is very small... any gain is good.

@burnout426 Arc Windows is bugged and has less features than the Mac one... the UI is worst on Windows too.

But the Workspace part works on Windows for these that wants to see how it is.

You can assign a different profile to any Workspace, and change it anytime you want... and you can change between Workspaces just like you do in Opera... it is ver snap without any delay at all.

In fact the Workspace is very similar to Opera... the difference is that you can use different profiles that is basically what we are asking to Opera add.

UI side Opera is way better than Arc... and that is even more evident in Windows.

@leocg trying to reply your two posts.

I won't talk about others browser not based in Chromium because I think we should focus in what Opera is based... so I only know Arc that does Workspace with different profiles.

And yes you can do in the same windows... you change anytime the Profile used by an Workspace... it doesn't open a new browser windows and you can have several Workspace with several different profiles.
Not sure how it does internally but it works pretty well.

The browser works as a sidebar like Opera... the difference is that there is no other option it is all in the sidebar (it only has vertical tabs not horizontal)... the Workspace and sidebar part is very similar to how Opera do it.

Said that Arc on Windows is not good... the UI is bad and lacks some key features.... on Mac it is pretty great.

My point was it is not impossible because we already have somebody that did it... and as a consumer it is not up to me to realize how it works... maybe Opera engineers can understand better how it works and how to do it even better.

@leocg the point is... there are example of Chromium browsers that does it... so it is possible... I explained that before.

That has nothing to do with Chromium... it was about Opera.
Before that excuse was used here but today we have Chromium browsers with Workspace that have different profiles.

Explain to me how can The Browser Company can do it and Opera not?

@leocg that is the reason we are asking Opera to add profile / session to workspaces... that is how it become useful in organize the tabs.

@Allex50 It can't be done... he just mistook you want to have different profiles.

You can't have workspace with different profiles in Opera... that is why we have this feature request thread.

@leocg but you can't use them in Workspace.
You need to have 2 windows opened... that way is the same as having two browser opened (Opera and Chrome).

I don't know how people use their browsers... but I have one browser for Work and another browser for Personal because the authentications in the sites are different (aka my Work profile should be different from my Personal profile)... when I say one browser it means one of instance of any browser running with a profile (so it can be two Operas).

The best way to organize that is to have one workspace for Work, one workspace for Personal and even have options to have others workspaces like University for example.
But without profiles / session per workspace it will never works... so it become useless to use Workspaces because in the actual state of Opera you will need to have two Windows opened.

Workspace is suppose to allow you to have grup of tabs without need to have another windows (browser instance)... but not having profiles / sessions kills it purpose.

In simple terms if I already have to open two, three, etc browsers to deal with different "working subjects" then why I need workspaces at all? Unless these workspaces allow to have different "working subjects" wihtout need a new windows / browser opened it will be useless and redundant.

PS. It become even more trick if you work with several clients... so for example the Salesforce authentication for one client is different from others clients... in that case you could have one workspace per client but how Opera works you need to have one browser window (instance of opera) per client.

I have no ideia how when we ask for workspaces with different profiles some here understand that we want just different profiles lol

Like I said if I need a new window to have different profiles then it will be same as having several browsers... it doesn't organize anything at all.

Please add different Profile/Session to Workspaces.

This is still the big miss in Opera even after years.
I keep trying to move to another browser due that... if Arc was not so bad in Windows I should have be using it but Opera UI is still king for me.

Just miss Workspace with different profiles/session... there is no point in using Workspace without that.

@AmericanEagle recently only Arc has it.
All the browser you listed doesn't have it even today.

@burnout426 this should be ok if no other Chromium browser did it but why others can but Opera not?

For example Arc workspace can have different profiles.

@andrew84: what you did opens a new windows for that tab.

I have a weird issue but the lastest version here is 102.0.4880.29 (it doesn't show new version).

My issue is when you restore the windows it doesn't change the button to maximize and you click the maximize button it does nothing.
It should maximize the window.

I have to click right-click in the title/tab bar to show Restore/Move/Minimize/Maximize and select Maximize as workaround because the button on the top right doesn't maximize (but it restore when the window is maximized).

BTW the minimize and close buttons works fine... just the Restore/Maximize that only works for Restore.

@dhhd: I tried and it works fine here.
Only the last tab was closed and no other in the current workspace or others workspace.

@jojo0587 that is not pratical in any way so that is why we are asking for Workspace have sperated sessions by itself using the same profile.

Do you understand that the ideia of feature request is about something that can't be done with the actual software and the developer have to work to add that new feature?

@leocg that is not necessary true... it is a feature to clean data after exit in private windows... the developer can disable that if they want.

You guys are taking private window example too literal... devs needs just to develop Workspace to work like private widowns without clean up the cache/cookies on exit.

@leocg of course I meant works like Private Window without the private flags... just separetelly cookies and cache for Workspace and after you close the browser it don't cleam up them like Private Window.

It is after all a new feature request... it is not supposed to use Private Window literally for that.

BTW I barely restart browser... basically only when there is browser or OS updates that are forced.

@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:

@edmarcio Well, it was. See https://help.opera.com/en/latest/features/#workspaces and the posts when Opera version with workspaces was released.

No sure what are you trying to say in no place in that link says anything about "group" because you not actually "grouping" tabs but creating a new empty area for them.

"Think of workspaces as pockets for tabs – you can keep them empty, or you can fill them."

Now look what they said about Tab Islands: https://blogs.opera.com/news/2023/06/opera-tab-islands/

"This way, each browsing context is kept in a separate group for easy organization and focused browsing."

See the difference?

@leocg said in Workspaces as separate sessions:

@edmarcio Opera seems to be implementing multiple profiles, there's a flag in Opera Developer.

That is nice... and it is a very requested feature too (and I see it as priority).
But it won't help with Workspace session isolation that we are asking... talking about myself only here multiples profiles is not useful but I see others uses for it.

@leocg I think we will agree to disagree here... workspace is not tab groups and I don't believe Opera devs created it as tab groups (it makes no sense).
Plus you guys talking about profiles when Private Windows works with the same profile and have clean cookies/cache.

I guess only Opera devs knows what is possible or not... and imo it is a matter of time/work to implement the feature and priorities than the "impossible" or "have to use other profiles" excuses.
I had no ideia the community here (not the devs) where so against features requests lol