Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)

[Deleted User]

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FWIW,
Seamonkey has been one of my main browsers for years, just as Opera has been since version 5.04, when it was still ad supported, and good!

[Deleted User]

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I've used SM and it's a decent browser but... it's pretty clunky in comparison to Opera. I doubt more than 1% of users bother with SM. Why it is kept afloat by this little band of devoted fans is beyond me. The browser reminds me of the old Netscape suite back in the 90's. It was fine then but technology has moved on in the past fifteen years.

[blackbird71]

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Originally posted by leushino:

... Why it is kept afloat by this little band of devoted fans is beyond me. The browser reminds me of the old Netscape suite back in the 90's...

Because they are committed to some basic concepts they've embodied in Seamonkey and feel are not adequately embodied elsewhere, and upon which that 1% or so of users you mention depend. I think a number of folks do things, sometimes with little thanks or tangible feedback, simply because they perceive those things to be good in and of themselves - just as some of those same kinds of folks have helped out constructively in the Opera user forums. Would only that there were more of that attitude around in this increasingly jaded world...

It's something to keep in mind in these troubled times when there's a lot of verbal rancor about Opera versions and such. I value and thank all those "regular" Opera users who have poured themselves out helping other users solve technical problems in these forums over the years, regardless of which side of the browser version debates we may currently find ourselves.

[Deleted User]

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I agree.

[salahuddin1]

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I don't find SeaMonkey to be "clunky." Not quite sure what you mean by that exactly. I'll agree that it is not as visibly appealing as Opera 12 or some of the other common browsers, (it basically looks like the old Firefox). However, it is snappy, quicker than Opera in loading pages, is highly customizable and has many built in features. Personally, a browser's appearance only involves less than 1/10th of the screen, so I don't put too much value on how it looks as long as its functional. That being said, there are many themes you can download to change the appearance of SeaMonkey if that is important to you.

[Deleted User]

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Did you say "quicker than Opera in loading pages"??? Not according to Peacekeeper. I challenge you to go over to http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com and test it for yourself. SM is one of the slowest browsers according to their bench tests. It's clunky all right and that is why it has such a small acceptance among users. It is definitely not a viable alternative to Opera unless you want a browser that looks like the old Netscape browser from 1998.

[highstream]

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As an email client, for those who can live without true HTM, I'd suggest Sylpheed. Available for people using a number of platforms.

[salahuddin1]

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Originally posted by leushino:

Did you say "quicker than Opera in loading pages"??? Not according to Peacekeeper. I challenge you to go over to http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com and test it for yourself. SM is one of the slowest browsers according to their bench tests. It's clunky all right and that is why it has such a small acceptance among users. It is definitely not a viable alternative to Opera unless you want a browser that looks like the old Netscape browser from 1998.

Peacekeeper is an overall benchmark of many different tests and only one of many benchmarking tools. It certainly is not a measure of which browser loads web pages faster. Firefox, for example, has almost always trailed Opera and Chrome in Peacekeeper. Go use Numion Stopwatch and test any page in Opera against SeaMonkey. Its a straight forward stopwatch of how fast it takes to load a web page. I couldn't even find ONE page that Opera loaded faster than SeaMonkey.

Also, I tested Firefox, Chrome, SeaMonkey, Opera and Opera Next in many different benchmarks, not just Peacekeeper. Some browsers do well in some, and less so in others. SeaMonkey performs pretty much on par with Firefox. And as you can see in this review by Tom's Hardware, Firefox is overall much faster than Opera (which comes in last).

So yes, I did say "quicker than Opera in loading pages."

BTW, where do you see Peacekeeper showing SeaMonkey as one of the slowest browsers? I couldn't even find where it ranks the different browsers. A link proving your claim would be welcome. On the same system, SeaMonkey should score only about 500 points less than Opera in Peacekeeper, which would really put both browsers in a similar performance category for this benchmark.

[salahuddin1]

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Oh and btw, Opera 12 only supports 4/7 HTML5 capabilities in Peacekeeper. SeaMonkey supports all 7.

Also, try playing this next generation browser launched game from Crytek: Warface. Opera 12 can't support it. SeaMonkey can.

So clearly your comment on SeaMonkey not being a "viable alternative to Opera" holds little weight.

[Deleted User]

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I tested SM, FF, IE 10 and Opera Next and SM came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. That is where I got the comparison. If SM were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does. BUT... if it floats your boat, then more power to you.

Aside: the Tom's Hardware tests are a half year old and therefore reasonably inaccurate.

[salahuddin1]

salahuddin1 last edited by

Originally posted by leushino:

I tested SM, FF, IE 10 and Opera Next and SM came in dead last on the Peacekeeper site. That is where I got the comparison. If SM were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does. BUT... if it floats your boat, then more power to you.

Aside: the Tom's Hardware tests are a half year old and therefore reasonably inaccurate.

I wonder if you ever reread your posts to realize how devoid of logic some of your statements are. I've already demonstrated that Peacekeeper isn't the holy grail of browser performance. Why don't you run Dromeo on all those browsers and post your scores? Or use Numion to see which browser loads pages the quickest? I just ran Peacekeeper and got 2069 in SeaMonkey 2.22 and 2628 in Opera 12.16, where SeaMonkey supported 7/7 HTML capabilities and Opera only 4/7 (click details on the results to see).

And just to take your own sentence to show you how absurd it is: "If "Opera" were such an awesome suite, it would have far more supporters than it currently does." Obviously the number of "supporters" a browser has is not directly related to how good it is. It is related to how well known it is. Opera has had a <1.5% desktop usage share for years. I guess that means Opera is a bad browser? Internet Explorer 10's browsers share is second to Chrome, well that must mean IE is the second best browser! SeaMonkey is relatively unknown and is not advertised, of course it will have low usage. I would think an Opera user of all people would understand this.

Your "Aside" statement also makes no sense. Browsers haven't changed so much in 5 months that any of those tests would be significantly different. Peacekeeper scores have remained pretty similar between browsers for years with Chrome>Opera>FF>IE. Opera Next can't even get bookmarks in 5 months, but that whole Tom's Hardware review is "reasonably inaccurate" because you said so... right.

[Deleted User]

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Look. Let's try this another way. You have found SeaMonkey and think it will meet your needs. Good for you. I've used SeaMonkey since its inception and frankly, I find it old-style and clunky... period. You think that all of the tests prove your position that it is a viable alternative. Bully for you. Go use it and be happy. What makes no sense (since we're dealing with logic now) is why you continue to hang about here since Opera no longer meets your needs. Oh yeah.... you're trying to lead others to the Promised Land. I get it. Okay...

SeaMonkey is the best thing since sliced bread (even though less than 1% of users worldwide even bother with it). Everyone migrate to SeaMonkey.

How's that? Uttered from the lips of an Opera fanboy! :lol:

[berng]

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Originally posted by leushino:

What makes no sense (since we're dealing with logic now) is why you continue to hang about here since Opera no longer meets your needs. Oh yeah.... you're trying to lead others to the Promised Land. I get it. Okay...

I don't get this constant whining either.

They're not happy with Opera, OK, we know by now, we get it. Everyone with a brain of at least a potato gets it. So why repeat over and over and over? Please, just leave. Fall in love with a new browser and torture their forums.

Reading these very repetitious anecdotes of shock, horror, betrayal, angst and so forth is, frankly, so immature.:bye:

[salahuddin1]

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lol, even when you think you're using logic, you aren't. You're constantly trolling everyone's posts when they have nothing to do with you. Why don't you take you're own advice? "Look at it this way, you like Opera Next even though it has lost the functionality of the old Opera. YOU think its a viable alternative. Good for you. I've used Opera Next since its inception and frankly, I find it horrendous, period. Use it and be happy. Why don't you leave others alone to discuss the topics they wish to discuss in their posts?... Oh yeah, your misplaced fanboy pride can't stand anyone using any other browser or saying anything against your featureless browser! So you MUST respond negatively to everyone possible who doesn't like the new Opera! You MUST show everyone that integrated email, bookmarks and whatever feature anyone else wants really doesn't matter! I get it, ok..."

I continue to read this thread because of its topic. I'm looking for what other alternatives people have tried and what is working for them. I didn't say SeaMonkey was the best, I didn't say anyone should switch to it, and I've actually learned a few things from other Opera users (not you of course) who have posted here.

I was defending the viability of SeaMonkey because of nonsense you posted in this thread. Making statements like they are fact when you have very little understanding of what you are talking about. I mentioned my testing because you claimed SeaMonkey was not a viable alternative and I proved you wrong. What is YOU'RE point in posting here other than to degrade other people's alternatives in this thread? This is a thread discussing Opera alternatives which you obviously don't need. So, since we are NOW talking logic, I suggest you go troll somewhere else.

You know, you may think you're pretty intelligent, but all you're doing on these forums is annoying people. If you were truly intelligent you would see that. Or perhaps annoying others is what gives you satisfaction in life. You're not going to force people into loving or using the new Opera and all these witty posts you think you make are just serving to further turn off existing Opera users (the less than 1.5% of users worldwide that bother with it as you would put it). If you think the Opera team appreciates that or that you're helping them in any way, by all means continue.

[laurenbacall]

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Anyway, back on topic ;). Cross-posting from another thread in case it may be helpful:

Originally posted by laurenbacall:

Originally posted by serious:

Well, not stopped using it, but def. pushing back any upgrade and looking for viable replacements (firefox looks good with a handful of extensions), but need yet to find something that supports bookmarks shortcuts which I use waaay often.

The Add Bookmark Here² addon for Firefox can add keywords to bookmarks (it basically uses the same system Firefox uses for custom searches but adds it to bookmarks). Forgot to mention this in that addons list I posted about :p

The Speed Dial addon also allows adding of multiple sites per tile, separated by a pipe character (|). It can then be used as a kind of bookmark folder, opening each site in it's own tab.

I would have added it to my original post if it weren't for the 24-hour edit limit :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by Salahuddin1:

You know, you may think you're pretty intelligent, but all you're doing on these forums is annoying people. If you were truly intelligent you would see that. Or perhaps annoying others is what gives you satisfaction in life.

You constantly attack me personally rather than deal with the subject matter. That tells me that your argument is a weak one. Please stop the personal attacks. There is no call for that. Thanks.

Returning to the subject at hand (i.e. alternatives to the Opera suite) the choices are few but very evident and truly not requiring a thread in my opinion.

- FF/TB
- Chrome/gmail,yahoo,gmx,outlook (to name a few webmail accounts) OR The Bat, Windows Live Mail
- IE 11/see above (assuming you have Windows 8.1)
- SeaMonkey

OR
- stick with Opera Presto (recommended) and keep an install of Opera Next to watch its development

None of this should be difficult for anyone to figure out for himself and make his own decision. All it takes is a little searching (i.e. YouTube, PC World, PC Mag, etc) and a willingness to experiment. I said it from the start and I continue to believe it: this does not necessitate a thread. Surely at this level most people can figure this out for themselves with a little searching. Besides - these alternatives have been presented countless times in dozens of threads already.

[A Former User]

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Here are the alternatives:

Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
Opera 17 + Opera Mail
Opera 17 + Thunderbird
And so on...

You're welcome!

[stng]

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Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Here are the alternatives:

Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
Opera 17 + Opera Mail
Opera 17 + Thunderbird
And so on...

You're welcome!

For what reason? Just for a loyalty to a lovely brand-name and app's icon?

Opera 17 isn't better than any other Chromium-based clones (Blink's shells):
- UI is immensely backward and primitive
- Nearly zero customizability and personalization
- Resources hogging and memory eating
- Chrome's extensions means limited functionality (due to the API) with really bad affection on a cpu/memory consumption

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Here are the alternatives:

Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
Opera 17 + Opera Mail
Opera 17 + Thunderbird
And so on...

You're welcome!

Good stuff.

[A Former User]

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Originally posted by STNG:

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Here are the alternatives:

Opera 17 + Outlook.com / Yahoo! Mail / GMail / Your Personal Choice.
Opera 17 + Opera Mail
Opera 17 + Thunderbird
And so on...

You're welcome!

For what reason? Just for a loyalty to a lovely brand-name and app's icon?

Yeah it's only because I like Opera icon better.