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Here are some suggestions for those looking for alternatives to Opera 12 (and use Opera Mail)

  • Originally posted by rilef:

    If you must use Firefox, and I no longer often do, use the Firefox ESR version. Firefox ESR receives security and stability updates from the most recent, stable version of Firefox, but is not updated for any feature or appearance changes (except once for every 7 versions of Firefox stable, approximately every 42 to 48 weeks).

    That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

  • Thanks for the roundup. It's what I came here looking for. I've used Opera 12 until now, but I've been experimenting with the javascript File API, and FileWriter it isn't supported until 15.

    Chrome hasn't improved at all since I last tried it. There's a new mouse gesture addon, MouseCrx, but it too misses about 2/3 of all gestures. Firefox does not have native mouse gestures, but FireGestures has worked very well. Firefox even has a bookmarks pan... uh, sidebar! No support for File API, but it's time to update, so I'll stick with it for now.

  • Originally posted by Frenzie:

    That's good advice if you want some stability (i.e. you use the browser to get work done). Still, the ESR might just as well break extensions as the smaller releases.

    All I can tell you from my own experience (I'm using Firefox ESR alongside Presto for 9 months) is that so far I didn't had any problems with broken extensions. Not even during the transition from ESR 17 series to ESR 24 series.
    On the other hand I only use a few extensions (for mouse gestures, for custom buttons and for saving as web archive/MHTML & MAFF).
    My local filtering proxy takes care of the rest 😉

    Anyway, if some extensions might break for the newest Firefox release there a good chances by using the ESR channel that those extensions will get updated till you get there.

  • danielsro

    - Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

    - Better than FireGestures
    - Not supported by its developer anymore.

    But Redox still doesn't come close to the native implementation in Opera:

    - It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
    - it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
    - No support for multiple actions in one gesture

    I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

  • Originally posted by STNG:

    danielsro

    - Mouse Gestures Redox (best extension for mouse gestures + rock gestures)

    - Better than FireGestures
    - Not supported by its developer anymore.

    I'm using "All-in-One Gestures". I have tested both, "FireGestures" and "Redox" (not sure if it is still working with Fx 24) in the past.
    For what's most important to me, history navigation (Rocker gestures) and for opening/closing tabs it works as well as Presto's built in mouse gestures.

  • Originally posted by STNG:

    - It doesn't support creating a gesture combined with a keyboard buttons(ctrl, alt, shift...)
    - it doesn't support context dependent gestures (in Opera, one gesture can be customized/used in a different parts of the browser's UI. For an example, in Opera, I've created the "GestureRight" gesture for Paste&Go function, which works exclusively over the address field.
    - No support for multiple actions in one gesture

    I simply can't adapt my own Opera's mouse configuration in the Firefox/MG Redox :(.

    MG Redox supports all these things, since you know a little bit of JavaScript. Edit gesture > Script.

    Examples:

    if(globalSrcEvent.ctrlKey) alert('Mouse gesture combined with Ctrl');
    
    
    
    
    if(globalSrcEvent.target == document.getElementById('urlbar')) alert('Mouse gesture only over the address field');
    
    
    
    
    if (mgGestureState.globalOnImage) alert('Do something if over an image');
    else alert('Do something else if not');
  • There have been some mentions about sleipnir...

    Just FYI, I tried it and was amazed how actively it phones back to g00gle (I guess every chromium-based browser does so, but haven't tested), thanks to comodo firewall with custom ruleset.

    Sleipnir establishes a bunch of connections right after the launch, and all of the IPs happen to belong to g00gle. That occurs, I'd like to stress, even before you managed to enter any address to navigate to. I could understand and (possibly) allow a connection to sleipnir's home site for the sake of checking for updates. But dozens of them, all headed towards g00gle, are beyond me. Many of them using SSL, so that you couldn't just look into those packets' payload.

    Firefox seems (without any warranty, though) to remain the last stronghold of non-snooping browsing. At least it doesn't initiate any connections until you actually decide to navigate somewhere. Opera is history now, as well as lavabit.com mail. The latter had the guts to inform its users about being pressed to comply. Opera just silently became "you can't stop the progress" Chrome.

  • Originally posted by captain-abstract:

    There have been some mentions about sleipnir... Just FYI, I tried it and was amazed how actively it phones back to g00gle (I guess every chromium-based browser does so, but haven't tested), thanks to comodo firewall with custom ruleset. Sleipnir establishes a bunch of connections right after the launch, and all of the IPs happen to belong to g00gle. That occurs, I'd like to stress, even before you managed to enter any address to navigate to. I could understand and (possibly) allow a connection to sleipnir's home site for the sake of checking for updates. But dozens of them, all headed towards g00gle, are beyond me. Many of them using SSL, so that you couldn't just look into those packets' payload. ...

    Hmm. It might prove an interesting exercise to temporarily block the site calls (with a hosts file, etc) and see what, if anything, "broke" in the browser...

  • Thanks everyone for sharing browser and extensions suggestions.

  • If someone had told me one year ago that I would leave Opera, I just would have laughed at him. I hadn't even thought about leaving "my" beloved, heavily customized browser.

    But then things changed fast as Opera Presto started having more and more problems on the web.

    - I had a deeper look at Thunderbird and also found the Lightening Addon
    It's much more powerful than everything Opera provides in that direction.

    - I had a deeper look at Firefox and its Addons
    I managed to get almost everything that Opera provides and I found FF to be compatible with almost every site.

    - I learned to use Autohotkey. (Not because my browser issues, I would have learned it anyway.)
    Soon it was clear to me that Autohotkey was the missing link to get things done operalike.

    Three powerful apps just to replace the champ - I still think Opera Presto could beat them all.

    Why I write this?
    One hand I feel kind of sad leaving Opera.
    Other hand I feel some huge relieve that I found an adequate solution for dying Presto.
    Try the FF/Thunderbird combo it won't hurt!

  • I think at this point I'd use any browser as long as it had bookmarks and a plugin which would automatically filter all of Leushino's posts from the web so that I don't have to waste time even seeing them.

  • Thanks for dragging up a thread that was last added to five months ago just to say that!
    😃

  • If your looking for an alternative that is trying to truly emulate Opera 12.xx try http://otter-browser.org/

  • Or just use the official original 12.x, which is still available and which is what I am doing.

  • I believe in free speech as long as it's civil, we all have opinions and thats ok, I did not see any bashing in the original post, just helpfull suggestions as sparse as it was. No one is paying me to defend Opera, may be a different story it that was the case, I use the latest Opera as my main default browser, that said, I also have 8 other browsers installed that I use from time to time, Opera does not fill all my needs but it's passable as a main browser. the dev team can not be left to isolate in thier own bubble, they need the input of what may be better in another browser, it helps thier thought process. It cant be WE ARE NUMBER 1, SCREW ALL OF YOU AND YOUR INPUT, No, they have to be aware of what the other browsers do if they want to improve what they are putting out. EDIT, Actually I think Opera is a very good browser, mainly because I'm a techie type and know how to make things better, but my Free Speech opinion still stands

  • If your looking for an alternative that is trying to truly emulate Opera 12.xx try http://otter-browser.org/

    Otter Browser is in it's infancy, it's barely an alpha, bad choice

  • I am a user that is involved in alot of online activities between business, personal, and social. My internet usage is probably considered extreme and a feature rich browser is a must. I gave Opera a try several years ago but a few years ago I gave v.12.xx a try. I learned alot about using a browser and although most people will not modify and make use of many of the settings and features, I found ways to make use of these things in v.12.xx. I was thoroughly disappointed when I heard about the decision to abandon Presto but I also understood some of the reasoning behind it. Most of the original members of Opera, including the owner, were no longer there. The original owner sold all his shares in the company and most of the development team was new, based on what I read.

    Anyway, I was always clueless why such a good Opera browser would be abandoned in order to pave the way for what is now being called "Opera". People want a good browser that has the tools to make life online more convenient, simple, and fast. Many users are not very literate and the most simplistic of browsers can do the job for them. I never realized just how powerful Opera 12.17 was until I started to dig deep into the settings. There is no turning back once you become dependent on a specific function or feature. You either have to release better version, or you are taking a step backwards. And I depend on, and need, some of the functionality of Opera 12.17.

    So the original post in this thread was a pretty good way to see just how many people might still need to find ways to get that functionality in a different browser that is still being supported. I want to continue using Opera 12.17 but since the latest update is said to be final, it is not really in anyone's best interest to remain attached to 12.17. I do not mean it is not worth using. It still is very useful. But maybe we have to admit defeat and make provisions to ensure we have options. And thank you, by the way, to anyone who posted some of the viable options that can give us some of that Old Opera vibe, but in other browsers. I am using a program in FireFox called SimpleFill. It gives back that option in the context menu when you right click and select personal in Opera 12.17. If that helps anyone, great. It's all I have so far. Although I did like the options mentioned regarding Mail in SeaMonkey. I too use Opera Mail but would welcome any options offering a better solution.

    I try to understand everyone's feeling. One guy insists Opera's new version does not deserve to be criticized. If we did not become familiar with how great and powerful Opera 12.17 was, then we would not have anything to compare to, and the new Opera would not get so much flack. But the way Opera was just abandoned, without much, if any, support, is pretty arrogant. Me and alot of other people were posting questions and looking for answers in the old forums all the way until the day they closed. The type of responses we got from Opera were nothing short of arrogant and I remember one answer from Opera to the question about support for all of the notes, bookmarks, and data that was all being held captive in v.12.16. The answer was to embrace change and to stop whining and enter the information manually and/or cut an paste. In other words, do what you have to do because Opera had no intention of making it easy for any of us. Arrogance. And I won't ever respect that.

    Well, if that's all you need for your daily use, it's fine. But being critical of anyone for offering solutions to others to help bring back those features we depended on in early Opera sounds like someone who is trying to get people to see New Opera in a different light. Well, forget it. It won't happen any time soon. It's like that crap with Windows 8. Maybe there was a chance the world would embrace it but as soon as everyone saw the start menu was gone and many things within the user interface changed, it did not go over well. And people made it clear how they felt. As they should. We are the ones who are supporting you while you provide us with the tools to manage our lives day in and day out. If you expect continues support, then provide something that will make it better, and not worst. Stop trying to force feed us something we don't like while trying to convince us it tastes good.
    Look what happened with the major update to Windows 8. They returned the start menu in 8.1 and to date, there are several companies that have gone to great lengths to provide 3rd party programs for a powerful start menu within Windows 8. We have to voice our opinions. But, in the case of Opera 12.xx vs New Opera, there are no opinions when someone tells you the new Opera is not able to fulfill the needs as well as the old Opera. That seems more fact than opinion. Because what I like is not just an opinion. It's a fact that the old Opera made my workload easier and in this day and age, the hardware is plenty fast so I do not care about milliseconds difference on page loads. So Chromium has very little to brag about. And it is a fact that my workload is hampered when using the new Opera and I have more manual input as a result of not having features that were abandoned.
    We all should admit that the new Opera has very efficient functionality. It's simple, yet effective. But far from earning the right to be considered an "UPGRADE" to 12.17. It's a different animal. It should not even be compared to 12.17. It's like comparing A hyundai to Cadillac GTS. Both will take there but the Cadillac (Opera 12.xx) can do so in style and with much more luxury because of so many great features

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