Bookmarks sidebar
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gonsl last edited by
I just tried Opera for the first time in 10 years and the bookmarks are impossible to use. I have been using firefox since it was called foxfire, and always have a vertical panel on the left with all my bookmarks open. It is a simple way to access the hundreds of pages I visit periodically. The folders have sub folders and are very easy to see and click through.
I tried to access the imported bookmarks on Opera and they came up in huge buttons that required a lot of scrolling to find them 15 pages down. I could click the list view but each sub folder of each folder is in giant icon view requiring that I click list view each time. Operas bookmarks bar does not appear to make use of the imported bookmarks and only allows for one horizontal row of bookmarks requiring folders to be opened each time you click on a single bookmark. I find this tedious.
With Firefox, its a simple activity, I can click a link without leaving the page I am on, and middle click the mouse to open in a new tab or open multiple pages in a folder all at once. If I want a clean display I can just close the bookmarks sidebar and its gone. Mozilla is messing with the user interface making this harder to do, but it is easy enough to customize the browser and fix that.
I am using a desktop computer, Opera, like Chrome seems designed solely for a tablet user so I will have to go back to Firefox for now. If Opera had this basic 1990's functionality, I would love to use it.
My request would be to add the basic functionality of a sidebar for bookmarks.
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lando242 last edited by
The sidebar was present in Opera 12, the last non-chrome based build. The devs had said that the sidebar will not be making a return in the new chrome based build. Unless an extension adds that functionality back it wont happen. That said, the bookmarks are still a work in progress and things are still changes. The difference between bookmarks in the developer build (28) is much improved over 26.
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stripmitz last edited by
OMG!! Whyyyy!? ;_; This sidebar would add soooo much value to the browser. The new Opera is useless for me without
Some more smileys to express my sadness: :awww: X( :down: ;_;
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gonsl last edited by
And the bookmarks bar isn't a suitable replacement because?
Not a replacement because:
I have 30+ folders of bookmarks, each has 10 or more bookmarks, some are in subfolders. There is no way a single line of horizontal bookmarks is going to work.Yes, I can manually move all my bookmarks from firefox to a single folder in the horizontal bookmarks bar but import does not work there.
Furthermore, web sites are narrow, my screen is 20 inches wide, why would I want to use part of the narrower vertical space when the unused width is there, ready for a side bar.
I am not asking to replace any other bookmarks system, just return the optional basic, simple, functional sidebar.
I didnt know OPera was a re-skinned chrome browser, no wonder it looks exactly like google chrome.
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lando242 last edited by
Yeah, its based on Chrome. Because of that none of the original code transfered. So its not that that they removed the sidebar, its that they did not re-add it. From what I have read on the forums its not coming back. You can add folders to the bookmarks bar though. I'm not sure if the current release has it but the version I am using (28) does.
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ozoratsubasa last edited by
let me if i understand: is it really possible to add an sidebar in chromium? if yes, the could to do like the bookmarks, as an "extension"
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stng last edited by
I am not asking to replace any other bookmarks system, just return the optional basic, simple, functional sidebar.
For an example, most of Chrome users doesn't even know that sidebar could exist in browser. And this crowd is happy about the browser they use.
I didnt know OPera was a re-skinned chrome browser, no wonder it looks exactly like google chrome.
New Opera follows Chrome's philosophy. No extended customizability. Simplicity. No "geek" functions such as fully functional bookmark manager, customizable controllability(gestures, keyboard, UI controls), no flexible UI etc. Sidebar, definitely, is a "geek" function for marginal part of the new Opera's user base. BTW, sidebar was disabled by default in Opera 12.
Chromium does have a really awful UI. The worst among all browsers.
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Deleted User last edited by
Opera has its own UI, not the same as Chrome, as i know.
But extending the UI to the state you want is not completely currently done by Opera Developers.
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stripmitz last edited by
And the bookmarks bar isn't a suitable replacement because?
Because you can open more bookmarks faster with one click.
let me if i understand: is it really possible to add an sidebar in chromium? if yes, the could to do like the bookmarks, as an "extension"
It is possible in the c code (e.g. like the developer tools window) but not as Extension you can download via the store. There are some extensions for Chrome, that add a "sidebar". The problem with these Extensions is: The "sidebar" is a new Window and not included in the Browser window. The usability of this just sucks, because of complicated resizing and because of overlapping of content.
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lando242 last edited by
Because you can open more bookmarks faster with one click.
Right, which you can do from the bookmarks bar. I really don't see what the problem is. The bookmarks bar is a horizontal sidebar in everything but name.
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blackbird71 last edited by...
I really don't see what the problem is. The bookmarks bar is a horizontal sidebar in everything but name.Can the bookmarks bar show bookmarks in 'tree' form with many lines of fully-named bookmark folders, subfolders, and entries expanded in whatever manner needed to enhance access and easy manipulation of a logically-organized bookmarks/folder structure? Because that's what you can do with a well-designed sidebar.
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lando242 last edited by
In the bookmarks bar if you click a folder it and its sub-folders are displayed just like in the Windows start menu prior to Windows 8. If you want more than then we eagerly await your submission of an extension to improve this already great web browser.
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blackbird71 last edited by
In the bookmarks bar if you click a folder it and its sub-folders are displayed just like in the Windows start menu prior to Windows 8. If you want more than then we eagerly await your submission of an extension to improve this already great web browser.
Look, I'm only providing some background regarding the OP's point of view about the importance of a sidebar bookmarks display to those who (like myself) rely on a complex bookmarking system for their browsing. For such users, a bookmarks bar, while important, doesn't display nearly enough information in a single "view" for maintaining/manipulating the organization of a complex bookmarking system. That's reality to such users. For users less dependent on well-organized bookmarking, sure, the bookmarks bar as it now exists may indeed be adequate.
The initial post was a request (and explanation) for Opera to consider adding a bookmarks sidebar... and probably it should have been posted to the suggestions forum instead. But, nevertheless, it represents a pool of potential Opera users (like myself) who all deem such capability significant, if not critical, to a browser. Rather than design, code, debug and submit a sidebar extension as you suggest, these users are far more likely to adopt another browser that does provide such capabilities (and there are some). And that loss, however great or small it may be, represents a loss of users for Opera. Just something to keep in mind...
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mjrdzine last edited by
I am in the "I need folders with sub folders that have sub folders, many of which will have sub folders" camp. It is much easier to organize and navigate my several hundred bookmarked pages this way. And if Opera is just a reskin of chrome, then I guess I'm done. There is a reason I used Opera and not Chrome. I started using Opera back in the late 90's because its UI was so far ahead of everything else. It took a few years, but every other browser slowly started to look and act like Opera. It's a sad day for me to know that Opera has quite leading and is now just one of the pack. I guess i'll keep using V12 until it just doesn't work anymore.
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elvenne11 last edited by
The bookmarks side bar was THE ONLY REASON why I loved Opera. I'll stick to the old version until I can and will quit later. What a shame!
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lando242 last edited by
I started using Opera back in the late 90's because its UI was so far ahead of everything else.
How old is the current version of Opera? 2 Years. Do you expect the Opera dev team to completely recreate 18 years of Opera advancement from scratch in 2 years? If it was your job and your boss came to you with a demand like that could you manage it?
It took a few years, but every other browser slowly started to look and act like Opera.
I guess i'll keep using V12 until it just doesn't work anymore.And that was the dev teams problem. They were spending so much time and resources on just keeping their custom renderer working with the web that they didn't have time to keep the UI up to date. They don't have the time, money or resources of Microsoft and Google to do that kind of stuff. So they made a very difficult decision; they abandoned Presto and moved to Blink. So they had to start from scratch on an engine that was primarily maintained by someone else so they could focus on UI and features. Because it was a different engine they couldn't just slap the old UI over the top of it, they had to start over.
Starting over takes time. They've spent quite a bit of time listening to users and trying to anticipate what they want and what they need. Want to know why the bookmarks sidebar wasn't included at the start? Because the browser didn't have bookmarks at all when it launched v15. They were only added back in like 2 versions ago. If you really want to see a shitstorm look at the mess around forgoing bookmarks for "the stash" caused. But they listened to us and brought bookmarks back. Still, making this grandiose proclamations about how much you've done for the browser and how you will leave for something else (that you admit strait away is only as good at best and inferior at worst) is pretty entitled. Especially considering you've paid zero dollars for it.
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gonsl last edited by
Original poster here:
So happy to see a new browser that will solve the problem: Vivaldi! Still in development is supposed to pick up where Opera 12 left off. Its already amazing!
