Long time opera user disgruntled

Deleted User

Deleted User

You have to be willing to adapt... to change. Life is all about this. You say you operate with 40 tabs and I say... nonsense. No one NEEDS 40 tabs open and I don't care WHAT the job is or the task is. There was a time back before tabs that we all got along perfectly well without them. You say that Firefox slows down your computer and I have to scratch my head wondering why? I can use FF, Chrome, Safari, Opera and IE 11 and NONE of them slow down my computer. You whine about Mavericks and Windows 8. I LOVE Windows 8...well, 8.1. Then again, I'm adaptable. I've learned to use it and it's great. And I'm 67 years old. Generally the older one becomes, the more difficult change is and we have a tendency to resist it. That's never been my attitude. I love to learn new things and new ways of doing things. The amazing thing to me is to see so many younger people who cannot (or will not) make changes and insist that everything must go his/her way. This browser thing has become a joke. It's a T-O-O-L and you learn how to use that tool and if it doesn't do exactly what you expect, then adapt... change you way of doing things. In truth it is YOU who are kidding yourself. Opera has made its decision and Blink is the new browser. Presto's days are numbered now so accept it or go find another browser. You "think" the time has come to look for alternatives? With you - YES... the time has come. Since you are incapable of adapting it's time for you to go and find something else. But my gut feeling is, you'll be unhappy regardless of what you find. You see, it's not so much the tool (i.e. browser) but the person using that tool and if he stubbornly digs in his heels and refuses to make changes, he's going to have a very rough ride ahead.

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by operanextsucks:

... And, YES, it *is* personal. You give your browser an INCREDIBLE amount of trust and huge chunks of yourself! It is *highly* personal, and anyone who thinks anything else are kidding themselves. Really, you are. ...

I've walked that very path in this Opera redesign epic... and I agree that the long-term use of a browser becomes very personal. But that's the whole thing - it is personal, and that means if the browser itself changes for whatever reason(s), the person must change - either his methods, his browser, or both.

For me, my short list of features I absolutely needed in order to efficiently accomplish work on a browser relied on 9 unique Old Opera ways of doing certain things. Some of those I posted about here during the past Spring and Summer, trying to explain the what and why. With time and the slow or non-emergence of those features in New Opera, it led me to take a long, hard look at my available options, since I didn't wish to wait until Old Opera truly went "belly up" to have to make desperate choices and New Opera was just not evolving adequately for my needs. Through seriously trying other browsers for 7 months, I discovered that there were actually only 5 unique, Opera-like features that I really had to have, and I fairly quickly developed acceptable work-arounds for the other 4. Those 5 key features, I was able to find natively embodied in Firefox 25 plus a small handful of extensions (sometimes needing 2 extensions to obtain a single feature working the way I wanted it to be). However, my point here is not to tout Firefox... it's to highlight the reality that I had to change some things in my way of working, as well as change my browser. And life has gone on. Nicely.

The "ride" with Old Opera was great while it lasted, and frankly, I wish it could have gone on far longer. But it didn't... end of that story. Moreover, Opera didn't change their browser to spite any of us. They did it for their own reasons. Which, because it's their browser after all, they are free to do. I don't take it personally, and I have no reason to feel betrayed or upset. It did cost me some effort to make changes, but that's really the way all of life is, as @leushino has said. The browser was free, after all, and Opera was under no obligation to develop a new browser just the way I would have wanted. At this point, if New Opera can evolve to where it works like I need it to, then I would certainly consider re-adopting it. However, Opera will now have to out-do what I currently have with Firefox + extensions for that to happen... which, multiplied by the thousands of similar "me's" I suspect are out there, may (or may not) have negative marketshare impact for them in coming months. That's one of their possible consequences of the design decisions they've made.

A Former User

Long-term My Opera users are disgruntled with disgruntled Opera users.

There is really no point talking to someone who chooses a handle like operanextsucks. Fortunately, these My Opera forums will close in a few weeks. Of course, the new forums could suffer the same fate — we will have to wait and see if moderation and registration procedures are tightened up.

Save your positive energies for more useful things than trying to placate or educate the whiners. Post on the Desktop Team Blogs or the Beta forums to try to influence the development of Opera Next.

missingno

missingno

Originally posted by leushino:

There was a time back before tabs that we all got along perfectly well without them.

And there was a time back before the internet that we all got along perfectly well without it.

linuxmint7

linuxmint7

Originally posted by missingno:

Originally posted by leushino:

There was a time back before tabs that we all got along perfectly well without them.

And there was a time back before the internet that we all got along perfectly well without it.

And, and there was a time back before speech that we all got along perfectly well without it.

blackbird71

blackbird71

By the way, I know what 'disgruntled' means. So... what does it mean to be 'gruntled', since it obviously is something that occurs if one has not become dis-gruntled?

Deleted User

Deleted User

Originally posted by blackbird71:

By the way, I know what 'disgruntled' means. So... what does it mean to be 'gruntled', since it obviously is something that occurs if one has not become dis-gruntled?

:lol: Indeed... some words with their prefixes just wouldn't make sense without them.

When I started (late in life) in the fall of 97 with my first browser, it was Netscape 3.0 Gold. A year later I was on 4.5 and how I loved that browser. And frankly, I could get along reasonably well with that old browser today if in fact it would render today's pages and do so safely. Prior to that I was using a Canon word processor and a small floppy disc to do my essays for my classes. I think the screen allowed me to see a whole 10 lines at a time... magical in those days (for me at least). When I hear people say that it will be impossible for them to do their work without ALL the features that the old version of Opera allowed, I don't quite buy it. Granted, it would probably be more difficult and would definitely require some adjustments but you know... when you are forced to make adjustments... somehow you generally do and low and behold, you discover new ways of doing the same tasks and sometimes even better than before. I thought when I gave up the Netscape suite with its integrated email client that I would never get the hang of a second stand-alone program for mail. Ha. That adjustment must have taken me two or three WHOLE days. OMG... can you imagine? :yikes:

blackbird71

blackbird71

Originally posted by leushino:

...When I started (late in life) in the fall of 97 with my first browser, it was Netscape 3.0 Gold. A year later I was on 4.5 and how I loved that browser. ... I thought when I gave up the Netscape suite with its integrated email client that I would never get the hang of a second stand-alone program for mail. Ha. That adjustment must have taken me two or three WHOLE days. OMG... can you imagine? :yikes:

So... you were gruntled with Netscape 4.5, then became disgruntled when you had to give it up, then eventually became regruntled with a successor solution. I think I'm starting to see the pattern... :p

Deleted User

Deleted User

LOL... What possessed me to take off the mask? A gruntled former Netscaper! :p

operanextsucks

operanextsucks

Honestly, this handle was just the first word that came to mind when i looked up and saw "Opera", and many of you show exactly why I don't normally bother to register anywhere, the general theme here seems to be gearing towards personal attacks and whatnot, as far as life and change goes, this is not it. Really, the fact that you don't do many things over a long period of time and require many tabs, right now i counted, I have a low 20-something open as we speak(hey it is still early, at times i group them in windows), but the fact that *you* cannot conceive of anyone doing it just shows your limitations and they should not limit the rest of us. It it has been made quite clear to me that Opera has no wish of maintaining it's longterm user base and as such I am finding and alternative, along with others.

I think I made a few points very clear in previous points, too bad shortsightedness seems to be the general trend. Really, makes me sad to change browsers completely, but the general attitude on this board seals the deal. Enjoy your repackaged Chrome browser, guys! Opera is dead. Ignorance is bliss. I guess google really did buy opera after all? who knows?

Have a nice day, and keep warm in the cold!

operanextsucks

operanextsucks

I just want to add that I in no way think Opera did this to spite any of us, it does not suit me at all however. I think it was ill-planned and very shortsighted, as the majority of my issues I think could be fixed with minor code tweaks, many probably without even that much. That's all.

Have a splendid day!

operanextsucks

operanextsucks

Another thing, Opera's founder seems to agree with me: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/07/opera_founder_its_all_gone_to_crap/

Deleted User

Deleted User

And your point is? Of course he would agree that it's all gone to crap. What would you expect him to say?

stevenjcee

stevenjcee

Why, "of course he would agree that it's all gone to crap"? I guess you've decided he's nothing more than a lying, disgruntled employee, I suppose? And I guess we should value your expertise & knowledge over his, as well...

Deleted User

Deleted User

You should never make assumptions, Mr.Cee. If I had decided that he was those things, I would have stated such. But I refrained from that, correct? So don't presume to put words in my mouth and build yet another strawman you can knock down.