How Many Bookmarks Do you Have?

[Deleted User]

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I don't have it enabled. How did you get the report? Does it generate some file when you enable it?

[frenzie]

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That's correct. When you enable it, it generates ~/.opera/usagereport/report.xml. It also keeps a weekly archive, so I can see that back on July 18th (when I must've enabled it),

  <section id="Bookmarks">
    <value id="NumberOfFolders" xml:space="preserve">28</value>
    <value id="NumberOfBookmarks" xml:space="preserve">291</value>
    <value id="LastCreatedBookmark" xml:space="preserve">1373927600</value>
  </section>

[frenzie]

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That's not a bad idea, but integrated bookmarks have features like nicknames that you're missing out on. (Couldn't say if the same applies to Opera Next; I still can't get the damn thing to work.)

[rif]

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I have 245 bookmarks in 27 folders. I'm sure that almost 95+% web sites that I go to are in my speed dial and my Bookmark Bar.

My wife and daughter also use Opera.
131 bookmarks and 10 folders
286 bookmarks and 15 folders

Might be interesting to note that they both still had hundreds of sites bookmarked that came with the original Opera installation. They both never used them and were alright with them being deleted.

They both also are at about 95+% using there bookmark bar and speed dial for there browsing.

[frenzie]

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Originally posted by scratchspace:

Yes, but (1) accessing the bookmarked website via a nickname is—at least, with respect to the first nine "bookmarks" on Speed Dial, which may be accessed via a keyboard shortcut—slower than Speed Dial

Not if you use go to nickname (Shift+F2 by default). I have F2 bound to new page & go to nickname. I've been using this since years prior to the introduction of speed dial. But alternatively you could just use small nicknames consisting of one or two characters if you preferred.

Originally posted by scratchspace:

(2) when you're talking about the relatively large number of bookmarks that people here (including me) are reporting, it's not likely that you'll remember more than a small fraction of your nicknames, so for most of your bookmarks you're dependent on manual navigation of Opera's native bookmark folders anyway

Naturally most bookmarks are accessed by navigating your folder structure, but note that you can also give nicknames to folders and that you can have a far greater number of quick shortcuts than speed dial. And btw, why wouldn't I remember all of my nicknames unless I forgot about the very site it refers to? My MyOpera nickname is—wait for it—myopera. To access it comes down to F2, my (because I have more nicknames starting with m).

Originally posted by scratchspace:

My point being that the Windows method has the advantage of not being dependent on a feature that may not exist in future versions of Opera

One can export Opera's bookmarks to the universal HTML bookmark sharing format at any time. Not using a useful feature now because it may break in the future would just have me throw out my computer.

[Deleted User]

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Just made into the 500+ category. Have 515 Bookmarks and 52 folders in default profile for the work PC.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

When you enable it, it generates ~/.opera/usagereport/report.xml.

Thanks for the tip, Frans. In 64 bit Windows the report is C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera( x64)\usagereport\report.xml

[rif]

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Originally posted by Frenzie:

That's correct. When you enable it, it generates ~/.opera/usagereport/report.xml. It also keeps a weekly archive, so I can see that back on July 18th (when I must've enabled it),

  <section id="Bookmarks">
    <value id="NumberOfFolders" xml:space="preserve">28</value>
    <value id="NumberOfBookmarks" xml:space="preserve">291</value>
    <value id="LastCreatedBookmark" xml:space="preserve">1373927600</value>
  </section>

I enabled this. Its pretty cool. Is there some way that it could be better formatted? Such as...

Number Of Folders = 28
Number of Bookmarks = 291
Last Created Bookmark = 137927600

[Deleted User]

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Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Not if you use go to nickname (Shift+F2 by default). I have F2 bound to new page & go to nickname. I've been using this since years prior to the introduction of speed dial. But alternatively you could just use small nicknames consisting of one or two characters if you preferred.

I'm only superficially familiar with the nickname feature, so I may not be fully grasping your point, but the process that I believe you're describing is still not as fast/easy as using a keyboard shortcut for the first nine Speed Dial entries. Specifically, I can open one of the first nine Speed Dial webpages in the same amount of time that it takes you to complete what is only the first step (pressing Shift+F2) of a two-step process (the second step being the entry of the nickname characters, which for someone with hundreds of bookmarks would often require the entry of more than two characters).

True for the first nine entries, but let's remember there are more bookmarks. With meaningful nicknames (building them like abbreviations or acronyms) you can easily denote say a hundred bookmarks, plus have nine speed dial entries on top of that. I personally have about thirty nicks mostly for search engines plus for some websites inherited from the era prior to speed dial.

Originally posted by scratchspace:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

And btw, why wouldn't I remember all of my nicknames unless I forgot about the very site it refers to? My MyOpera nickname is—wait for it—myopera. To access it comes down to F2, my (because I have more nicknames starting with m).

I gather that you're implying that the "go to page" box has an autocomplete feature, reducing the amount of typing required in the box. If so, that's nice,

By default in old Opera:
F2 = "Go to page" dialog which operates like regular address bar, requiring Enter to go to the address/nick.
Shift+F2 = bookmarks nick dialog, once you have typed enough for the system to make sense of the nick, it flies

And the ingenious configurability in the old Opera allows you to reassign anything to anything, so you can access the latter dialog by means of one single key.

Originally posted by rif:

I enabled this. Its pretty cool. Is there some way that it could be better formatted? Such as...

Number Of Folders = 28
Number of Bookmarks = 291
Last Created Bookmark = 137927600

Maybe write a CSS for it. But it looks human-readable enough. Anyway, it's too late to enable it. They already decided that nobody uses bookmarks.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Reading about one user with 10,000 bookmarks I am curious to know what the average is.

Likely a hyperbole without doing much counting. Anyway, speeddial doesn't reasonably handle even a hundred, on this we can agree, right?

[frenzie]

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Originally posted by scratchspace:

I gather that you're implying that the "go to page" box has an autocomplete feature, reducing the amount of typing required in the box. If so, that's nice, but I would contend that people who have hundreds (as I do) or thousands of bookmarks actually will "[forget] about the very site it refers to".

Yup, autocomplete. I don't dispute that sites will be forgotten, but out of my 300+ bookmarks probably only a few dozen up to several dozen have nicknames. I'm only claiming nicknames have always been better than speed dial for both speed of access and memorability.

Originally posted by mimi_s_mum:

Thanks for the tip, Frans. In 64 bit Windows the report is C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera( x64)\usagereport\report.xml

You can make that link work for everyone by writing it with %USERPROFILE%, or perhaps Windows 7 changed it to %USER%.

%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Opera\Opera( x64)\usagereport\report.xml

[Deleted User]

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I would say what F2/"Go to page" does is more searching than autocomplete. When you type a keyword there (or Addressbar URL field), Opera searches in bookmarks data and typed page history. (Might search wider with default setting. But I usually disable "Remember content of visited pages" option as soon as launching a new profile.)

The search in bookmarks data looks at all the elements in bookmark property:title, address, nickname and description. This means forgetting site/page title or nickname is not a problem (Re @scratchspace's point). Just type the word and see if you have been and bookmarked any pages related to that word. If you have indeed bookmarked those pages in the past, then, it is more likely than not you thought those pages would be useful in future for the particular topic you are searching with that keyword.So it is worthwhile revisiting those pages.

Re Bookmarks (vs Personal Bar) vs Speeddial debate
For me they are totally different things and one cannot substitute another. My analogy goes like this:
Bookmarks are library catalogue entries letting you search and access the entire library collections without actually going to each shelf and taking each book out.
You have already taken out some books/magazines you regularly use for your thing (entertainment, getting latest fashion/gardening/sport news, homework, trip planning, work or what have you) and piled up on the library desk. This is Personal Bar
And you already have pulled out several books/magazines from the pile and opened the pages you always look at first. This is Speeddial

With this analogy number of bookmarks may represent the person's need for book access. Some need to access a large number of books. Others have no such need and only want to read newspapers and a magazine or two.

Edited for better wording

[frenzie]

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I have F2 bound to new page & go to nickname, not the default go to page. I misread scratchpage's message.

[frenzie]

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Originally posted by scratchspace:

Frenzie, I'm not sure if I'm following you re: the misreading of my wording, but FWIW, when I referred to the "go to page" box earlier in connection with the autocomplete---or "searching"----feature, I was actually referring to the same thing you were, the "bookmark" version of that box.

Ah, ok. You're right, in the GUI it's not entitled "go to nickname" but "go to page" and merely says "enter the nickname of a bookmark". I've internalized the difference between go to page and go to nickname, 's all.

[A Former User]

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I have 672 bookmarks in 21 folders.
Not a massive number, and there are of course only a few of them that I use regularly, but boy would I miss them if I lost them!

[Deleted User]

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14,000+ bookmarks in 2200+ folders. Do I win? :lol:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=14696132

[A Former User]

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Originally posted by dicktater:

Do I win?

No, you lose — the winner is the one with fewest bookmarks.

However, in theory you could do it with just 13 folders on the Quick Access Bar, each folder having 13 subfolders, each subfolder having 13 further subfolders, and each folder having an average of 10-12 bookmarks.

As things are it's impractical to organise more than a few bookmarks or folders using the QAB, but if you organise the folders thoroughly before importing them into Opera Next, you might just about manage.

[serious]

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Originally posted by Pesala:

No, you lose

rather Opera loses because it cannot fit the user's needs.

[A Former User]

A Former User last edited by

Originally posted by serious:

Opera loses because it cannot fit the user's needs.

Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

[ervin74]

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Originally posted by Pesala:

Losers lose out because they can neither adapt to change, nor be content with an old version.

Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before? The lack of a proper bookmark manager is ridiculous.
That philosophy won't hold in a long run.
What should people do with all their bookmarks? Not those with only 10-50 but those with 500 or more.
How can they be organized, categorized or be structured in a nice pedagogical manner?

So the question remains:
Why do Opera hate the classic bookmark manager so much?
Is that what you called change for the future?
Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

[A Former User]

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Originally posted by Ervin74:

Why should you adapt to change to something worse than before?

You don't have to adapt if you don't want to — use the old version, which is what I am doing.

The best philosophy is to deal with things as they are, not as you want them to be.

If or when Opera Next is "good enough" or when Opera 12.16 is too out of date, we will all have to adapt to the way things are at that stage.

Originally posted by Ervin74:

Opera 19 Developer is out now but still no bookmark manager on the horizon.

It is definitely on the horizon, as is customisability. I don't see any sign of Notes or Panels on the horizon yet.

[dvk-ru1]

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Speed dial: 96 links, 13 folders
Stash: 177 links
QAB: not using
In Opera 12, when I was moving to O15, there were ~660 bookmarks, mostly rubbish.