No bookmark sidebar? No deal!
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Deleted User last edited by
Look, no one is forcing you to do squat. If you don't like Opera Blink, DON'T INSTALL IT. It's really a rather simple choice for "most" people. Granted, your time with Opera Presto will be limited as its compatibility with websites becomes an issue. But for the time being, you can continue to use it since security patches are being provided. Since Opera 18 doesn't float your boat, move on. These forums are help forums not whining forums. I'm not an apologist for Opera 18. Did I suggest he (or you) install and run it? Did I trumpet its features? No... I simply suggested that he (and now YOU) follow the terms of service. :whistle:
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by browzer1:
There is NO extension (that I can find), that will mimic the old sidebar. I'll stick with 12.16 for a while yet.
Exactly. Stick with the last version of Opera Presto that worked for you. End of story.
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robiro123 last edited by
The thing is. Why do all developers think there are no more DESKTOP users out there?
Because the single reason I can think of anybody throwing out the bookmark sidebar is that it is difficult to use fingers to click on those miniature bookmarks.
Guess what. I am a caveman. I still use that old-fashioned device called mouse, I still use a separate keyboard and touching the monitor screen is the last thing I would want to do because I want it to be clean and nice.
Why don't you split your browser into two editions? Opera for Desktop and Opera for Tablets?
I want my bookmark sidebar BACK!
Why do I have to suffer because of the increasing popularity of tablets and other touchscreen devices?
Is it a sin to be a desktop user? Is it a sin not to have a touchscreen? Is it a sin to wish to have a bookmark sidebar which was there for decades and nobody thought too much of it? Why is it that now having a bookmark sidebar is politically incorrect?
Did any Opera developer actually try to import 200+ bookmarks into that start screen and reasonably navigate a 10-page mess??? Those screenshots of webpages are confusing, the overview is lost, the navigation is hell. Unusable! And you can not even change the size of those speed dials.
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by robiro123:
Why do I have to suffer because of the increasing popularity of tablets and other touchscreen devices?
You don't. You have to suffer due to your own ignorance.
Firstly, if you don't want to use Opera 18, then don't install it.
Secondly, if you do install it, don't install all of your bookmarks to the speed dial, use the bookmarks bar.
Thirdly, if you want to resize the speed dials, zoom out. Or, install Opera 19 and adjust the number of columns and the speed dial size.
Keep taking the medication, and try to regain some mental balance.
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robiro123 last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Secondly, if you do install it, don't install all of your bookmarks to the speed dial, use the bookmarks bar.
There is no bookmarks bar in Opera 18. I couldn't find it.
Please provide a step-by-step instruction. The import book manager is only able to import Opera 12 bookmarks to the speed dial!
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robiro123 last edited by
Originally posted by Pesala:
Dear Pesala,
Do you understand the word "sidebar"?
It is a bar that sits on the SIDE of the browser window. Not on TOP of it. On the SIDE of it. Thus purposefully narrowing the main window.
There is NO bookmark SIDEbar in Opera 18.
Or are you saying that there is one?
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Deleted User last edited by
Look at Pesala's post count. He more than understands the concept of sidebar. The issue is, do YOU know how to use the Search function? Why should Pesala provide you with step by step directions when you refuse to do a little leg work yourself?
I'll give you a hint. First type in opera:flags into your address bar and hit enter. Scroll down to QAB and enable it then reboot Opera and go into Settings and enable it there. Now... if you have bookmarks in Opera 12 (and I assume that's your beef), you can use the Import function to bring them over to the QAB. I'm sure from this point you can figure it out. If not, come back and report.
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by robiro123:
The thing is. Why do all developers think there are no more DESKTOP users out there?
Rather a categorical statement, eh? "All developers"? I think not. There are a myriad of developers in the universe, and they don't all think alike.
Originally posted by robiro123:
Because the single reason I can think of anybody throwing out the bookmark sidebar is that it is difficult to use fingers to click on those miniature bookmarks.
That you can't think of a single reason beyond catering to the touch-screen mobile device fad more likely shows a lack of imagination on your part, and hardly constitutes proof there aren't other possible reasons. Such as: Opera believes there are not enough users "needing" sidebar bookmarks to expend the resources at this point in time to develop it - resources that would have to be diverted from other priorities which Opera believes are more important, or Opera believes the bulk of desktop users want a similar interface that works for Opera on both desktop and mobile devices, or Opera believes it has a better concept than sidebars in mind for the future but hasn't had time to pursue it. I have no idea what their reasons actually are, but there are certainly more than your one possibility.
Originally posted by robiro123:
Why don't you split your browser into two editions? Opera for Desktop and Opera for Tablets?
Split an already resource-stressed design group into two pieces? If they were going to split it, they'd have kept the Presto team intact for one group and started up a different group for Blink. But they didn't, because they have to give a financial accounting to their stockholders. Stockholders who demand efficiency.
Originally posted by robiro123:
I want my bookmark sidebar BACK!
Get used to the reality that it just might not happen. Perhaps you ought to demand your money back instead. There are other free browsers out there, but neither they nor Opera ASA is under any obligation to accommodate the browser bells-and-whistles that you, I, or anyone else might want.
Originally posted by robiro123:
Why do I have to suffer because of the increasing popularity of tablets and other touchscreen devices?
You don't. You're free to leave and either design or locate a ready-made browser that meets your needs.
Originally posted by robiro123:
Is it a sin to be a desktop user? Is it a sin not to have a touchscreen? Is it a sin to wish to have a bookmark sidebar which was there for decades and nobody thought too much of it? Why is it that now having a bookmark sidebar is politically incorrect?
Nobody here has said anything related to browser designs or user preferences was a "sin" or "politically incorrect". Those are descriptions existing solely in your own mind. Do try to relax. After all, it's only a browser, it's free, life goes on, and you hopefully still have your health.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Split an already resource-stressed design group into two pieces? If they were going to split it, they'd have kept the Presto team intact for one group and started up a different group for Blink. But they didn't, because they have to give a financial accounting to their stockholders. Stockholders who demand efficiency.
They already have split Opera. There's Opera and then there's Opera mini/mobile. Here's an idea: Why don't they stop being stupid and give users the ability to customize it to suit their own personal preference instead of being a bunch of dicks about it.
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Deleted User last edited by
Originally posted by TradeofjaneThey already have split Opera. There's Opera and then there's Opera mini/mobile. Here's an idea: Why don't they stop being stupid and give users the ability to customize it to suit their own personal preference instead of being a bunch of dicks about it.[/quote:
Here's another idea. Why don't you just go away?! You haven't posted a solitary positive post since you began posting... nothing but whining and complaining. You've consistently violated the terms of service here on these help forums. If you don't like the new Opera, no one is forcing you to adopt it. Continue to use Presto. End of story. And if that doesn't cut it for you, then go away and find another browser that does. How's that for a suggestion? I'm not going to engage in calling you a d**k as you have the developers but it would be appreciated by all if you stopped acting like one. Try and little maturity for a change. Behave yourself.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
Here's another idea. Why don't you just go away?! You haven't posted a solitary positive post since you began posting... nothing but whining and complaining. You've consistently violated the terms of service here on these help forums. If you don't like the new Opera, no one is forcing you to adopt it. Continue to use Presto. End of story. And if that doesn't cut it for you, then go away and find another browser that does. How's that for a suggestion? I'm not going to engage in calling you a d**k as you have the developers but it would be appreciated by all if you stopped acting like one. Try and little maturity for a change. Behave yourself.
Leushino, if no one is paying you to be here then stop acting like it. You sound like a paid shill. And you do nothing but attack anyone who doesn't have anything positive to say about the new Opera. I don't live to please you and I wasn't even talking to you, so why don't you just shut your f@#king mouth.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
... Here's an idea: Why don't they stop being stupid and give users the ability to customize it to suit their own personal preference instead of being a bunch of dicks about it.
What does Opera owe you that they should do whatever you ask or pay mind to your opinions, particularly among all the insults you constantly toss at them? It's a free browser, for Heaven's sake... it costs you and me nothing. Where did any of us earn the right to criticise and insult them over the decisions they make about how to run the company for its owners? I don't agree with some of their choices; I've stated my arguments months ago, just in case it might matter. I'd like to think one or two things might have helped influence them. But it's certainly Opera's choice to do what they want with their own browser.
How does it come down to a situation where users of a free browser feel entitled to come into the forums housed on the browser-maker's own servers and insult them? It's like going into somebody's house and spitting on their floor! Back where I come from, people would say, "Those folks don't have any fetchins up."
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A Former User last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Where did any of us earn the right to criticise and insult them over the decisions they make about how to run the company for its owners?
I wonder where these trolls get the idea that insulting the developers will get them anything but insults in return?
If Opera staff were not so busy fixing bugs, perhaps they would have more time to ban them from these forums, and save us the trouble of responding to their whining posts?
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
What does Opera owe you that they should do whatever you ask or pay mind to your opinions, particularly among all the insults you constantly toss at them? It's a free browser, for Heaven's sake... it costs you and me nothing. Where did any of us earn the right to criticise and insult them over the decisions they make about how to run the company for its owners? I don't agree with some of their choices; I've stated my arguments months ago, just in case it might matter. I'd like to think one or two things might have helped influence them. But it's certainly Opera's choice to do what they want with their own browser.
How does it come down to a situation where users of a free browser feel entitled to come into the forums housed on the browser-maker's own servers and insult them? It's like going into somebody's house and spitting on their floor! Back where I come from, people would say, "Those folks don't have any fetchins up."
Opera derives revenue through revenue sharing with its partners. For example, several search engines make usage payments to Opera for searches made by Opera users. This is the major source of income for Opera. Opera depends on its USERS in order to generate revenue. Opera may be free to use but that's only because it is profitable and the only reason why it is profitable is if people use it. This isn't a charity.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
...Opera derives revenue through revenue sharing with its partners. For example, several search engines make usage payments to Opera for searches made by Opera users. This is the major source of income for Opera. Opera depends on its USERS in order to generate revenue. Opera may be free to use but that's only because it is profitable and the only reason why it is profitable is if people use it. This isn't a charity.
Absolutely true! 100% agreement. And because Opera isn't a charity, it operates its business to seek profit for its stockholders as it sees fit. If it believes it can gain more users (and revenue) going down Path A, we who represent Path B may be disappointed, but we're in no legal or moral position to rant and rave since the "product" costs us absolutely nothing. We are indeed free to politely suggest, recommend, persuade, perhaps even argue a bit while it still matters... but the decisions are Opera's alone to make - and they have made them. Over a year ago. We're now free to accept them or go elsewhere and get on with our lives. But we're not free, in decent societies, to come into their house and spit on their floor.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Absolutely true! 100% agreement. And because Opera isn't a charity, it operates its business to seek profit for its stockholders as it sees fit. If it believes it can gain more users (and revenue) going down Path A, we who represent Path B may be disappointed, but we're in no legal or moral position to rant and rave since the "product" costs us absolutely nothing. We are indeed free to politely suggest, recommend, persuade, perhaps even argue a bit while it still matters... but the decisions are Opera's alone to make - and they have made them. Over a year ago. We're now free to accept them or go elsewhere and get on with our lives. But we're not free, in decent societies, to come into their house and spit on their floor.
If Opera Software can't handle the criticism, they should get out of the game. I've used Opera for over a decade. I'm not going to sugar coat a product that sucks or pretend to like it. If Opera didn't want the criticism they shouldn't have released something that is pure beta quality cr@p. This love it or leave it attitude is only going to cost them users since they have nothing to offer us in the way of innovation except how desperate they are to be like Google Chrome. And if I could find a browser like Opera classic, I would leave Opera in a heartbeat. But like many others I became accustom to a browser that got f@#ked up by bad management.
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Deleted User last edited by
You're a :troll: pure and simple. If YOU don't like Opera, YOU should just get out of the Help forum. Go over to the Developers' blogs and register your complaints there. Nothing is going to happen here other than you whining and our enduring your whines. :lol:
And cut out your filthy language. Yes, you disguise it with some symbols in order to prevent your posts being censored but in truth, you have a filthy mouth and frankly should be banned from the forums.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by Tradeofjane:
... If Opera Software can't handle the criticism, they should get out of the game. I've used Opera for over a decade. I'm not going to sugar coat a product that sucks or pretend to like it. If Opera didn't want the criticism they shouldn't have released something that is pure beta quality cr@p. This love it or leave it attitude is only going to cost them users since they have nothing to offer us in the way of innovation except how desperate they are to be like Google Chrome. And if I could find a browser like Opera classic, I would leave Opera in a heartbeat. But like many others I became accustom to a browser that got f@#ked up by bad management.
It isn't criticism, politely voiced and accurately framed, that is really an issue. It's the ranting, outbursting, obscenity/profanity-laced, I-want-what-I-want-and-I-want-it-NOW, exagerated rhetoric that is the problem - of which you, frankly, have been part. It's immature, self-serving, offensive, disrespectful of everyone else trying to help users in these forums, and has no place here. It's the kind of behavior that gives legitimate criticism a bad name, and I'm frankly amazed that the mods haven't come down on it with a large hammer long ago. But then, the wave of repetitive, ranting threads has perhaps led them to simply write these forums off as any meaningful input, especially in light of the eventual move and reorganization of these forums... in which case, all the legitimate users are the poorer for the behavior of the ranters.
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tradeofjane last edited by
Originally posted by leushino:
You're a :troll: pure and simple. If YOU don't like Opera, YOU should just get out of the Help forum. Go over to the Developers' blogs and register your complaints there. Nothing is going to happen here other than you whining and our enduring your whines. :lol:
And cut out your filthy language. Yes, you disguise it with some symbols in order to prevent your posts being censored but in truth, you have a filthy mouth and frankly should be banned from the forums.
If anything is filthy it's your attitude towards new members and anyone who says anything negative about Opera. Why are you so incredibly defensive? If anyone says anything bad about Opera, you and your buddies Pesala and blackbird71 are on the defensive in every single thread. Either you're paid to be here to defend Opera, and doing a terrible job of it, or you're being paid to drive people away from it.
