Where do Opera 12.16 users go now Opera is dead?
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blackbird71 last edited byOriginally posted by biggerabalone:
i'm still using the old opera. but i am concerned with how secure it is (since it is not being updated anymore).
12.16 should still be secure. Opera has stated that they're still maintaining it for security should any exploits arise, but there are no currently-unpatched reports about 12.16 on vulnerability-report sites like Secunia.
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
i've never liked the webkits numerous running processes - it's not very light on the system and hard to determine how much resources it uses because of them all ... something like 12 running (why?)
The Webkit engine and its deriviatives, by design, open a new/added process for each extension and for each tab running in the browser. Among other things, it's supposed to keep a crash in an extension or tab from taking down the entire browser.
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treego last edited by
Go with Firefox with the following addons/extensions and you'll feel quite good if you're an avid Opera user from 12.16-and-prior days:
-Add to Search Bar
-All-in-One Sidebar
-Chatzilla (IRC chat)
-DoubleClick ContextMenu
-Email This! Bookmarklet Extension (GMail)
-Feedly Notifier (use this with RSS feeds via Feedly)
-NoScript
-Open Bookmarks in New Tab
-QuickNote
-Session Manager
-SettingSanity
-Tab Auto Reload
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biggerabalone last edited by
Originally posted by blackbird71:
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
i'm still using the old opera. but i am concerned with how secure it is (since it is not being updated anymore).
12.16 should still be secure. Opera has stated that they're still maintaining it for security should any exploits arise, but there are no currently-unpatched reports about 12.16 on vulnerability-report sites like Secunia.
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
i've never liked the webkits numerous running processes - it's not very light on the system and hard to determine how much resources it uses because of them all ... something like 12 running (why?)
The Webkit engine and its deriviatives, by design, open a new/added process for each extension and for each tab running in the browser. Among other things, it's supposed to keep a crash in an extension or tab from taking down the entire browser.
when you close chrome, i have noted that some extensions/processes sometimes remain open. this adversely affects overall computer performance. not something i would recommend.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by biggerabalone:
...when you close chrome, i have noted that some extensions/processes sometimes remain open. this adversely affects overall computer performance. not something i would recommend.
I would agree... at least, if the processes don't close fairly quickly after shutting down the browser itself. Processes started in conjunction with an app should terminate with that app, apart from any minor latency due to housekeeping, etc.
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npublici last edited by
I AM Uusing avant AND opera19,alternately.There are problems in each and advantages in each.Avant bookmarks is more pleasing to me at present.I wish I had software to link bookmarks to all my browsers. Better still, standalone bookmarks ,resident in my computer. which a call up button in the browser would show the bookmarks.I really would like colorizing of categories within bookmarks.When a browser balks,fails or is troublesome I use a different one. The only time I use MS7 browser is when I am forced to.
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blackbird71 last edited by
Originally posted by npublici:
I AM Uusing avant AND opera19,alternately.There are problems in each and advantages in each.Avant bookmarks is more pleasing to me at present.I wish I had software to link bookmarks to all my browsers. Better still, standalone bookmarks ,resident in my computer. which a call up button in the browser would show the bookmarks.I really would like colorizing of categories within bookmarks.When a browser balks,fails or is troublesome I use a different one. The only time I use MS7 browser is when I am forced to.
+1. That's a truly interesting concept... actually, two of them. I currently use a local html homepage on my computer with hundreds of links embedded, but adding/altering them is a tedious process performed outside the browser - hardly a bookmarking tool, per se. But once they're in there, I've got them categorized in sections and even into submenu pages by topic, but colorizing would be great. What I have works nicely when used as the homepage in all my browser brands, but your ideas would greatly improve the useability by being able to write/save directly to something like it from within any browser. Now, if only a standard existed, and we could persuade browser makers to adopt it, and... oh well.
Right now, it's tough enough to convince some makers of the true importance of bookmarks... :irked: -
minho last edited byI will back to FF if chrpopera is still unusable.
otter browser (maybe) and qupzilla look good alternatives. -
awzx last edited by
Switched to Firefox! Version 27 is lightning fast, even still with 10 addons that I have installed to bring in some of Opera's features plus add some new ones. Actually it's so fast that sometimes I even forget for a moment that this is Firefox and not Chromium...
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bullywug last edited by
I'm still using 12.6 while stuck in Windowsland, but plan to get a Mac soon and just use Safari. What really kills Opera 15 for me (in Windowsland) is that the keyboard cannot be customised. I can't stand windows standard keybindings; I need unix text editing bindings, etc. With Opera and cygwin I could live in Windowsland, doing most things in them, after having decided that Linux is dead. Not anymore, thanks to Opera being dead as well. I have to go for a Mac... only problem is the god-awful Touchpad on Apple laptops. I want my Trackpoint!
Oh good grief.
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
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c0npaq last edited by
PLEASE PEOPLE ... let's be honest: Opera beyond version 12 is a cheap google chrome ripoff mixed with firefox UI design elements. The people, like myself, who are 'whining' here do so because we are high profile, 24/7 users, web designers, programmers, basement dwellers and high-tech people who actually get some real work done because we use truly superior tools and methods to begin with ... like the old style Opera. We waste 30 minutes on hardcore customization once every 3 years and then save like 10-20 minutes every consecutive day in return. UNDERSTANDABLY, now we are intensely butthurt, because we got the choice: migrate to something that causes a considerable loss in productivity (like firefox - not the 'new' Opera - haha what a joke) or watch productivity slowly dwindle as more and more rough edges and corners will show up until the tool finally dies from lack of maintenance (what I prefer to do). Both are naturally ugly.
We, the whiners, are not the big, inept, zero-to-one-hour PC user majority that Opera chose to rather target now. We actually suffer, 10 or 20 times more than you may. But it is just the modern age ...
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lem729 last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Absolutely right. Except, now it's Opera 22 for download.
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Absolutely right. Except, now it's Opera 22 for download.
LOL... good answer. Funny how every now and then another one comes crawling back in with his recriminations, accusations and just generally looking to stir up trouble. <sigh>
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Good answer! This topic will be closed soon.
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prometheus-za last edited by
We, the whiners, are not the big, inept, zero-to-one-hour PC user majority that Opera chose to rather target now. We actually suffer, 10 or 20 times more than you may. But it is just the modern age ...
This. New Opera is crap. -
lem729 last edited by
Prometheus-za, you can roll the stone of nattering negativism up the hill all you want. You'll never get it to the top.
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colderwinters last edited by
I believe the title of the thread was, where does he want to go, Thats the easiest question to figure out, He either goes to the latest Opera or he goes to Firefox, Chrome, Srware Iron, Commodo Dragon, Commodo Ice Dragon and theres even more variants of firefox and Chrome out there and even a few not based on Firefox or Chrome. His choices can only be limited to Available choices and thats where his or her choice of Search Engines help out. It doesn't mattar where I want to Go or what browser I or anyone else wants to use, this is totally up to the person that started this thread
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lem729 last edited by
The whole premise of the thread is that Opera is dead. Unless he meant, Opera Presto is dead, it's a thumbing of one's nose at anyone else who actually sees Opera as alive, vital, with a future. Assuming he didn't, I'd say goodbye and good riddance to anyone who thinks that way. If all he meant was that Opera Presto is dead, well, okay, I can see where the poster might well be in search of a replacement. Opera Blink has a lot of advantages over the old Opera. People need take time to reevaluate, though by now, they should know that Presto isn't coming back. Opera Blink is in the process of being re-built, programmed. I'd trust Opera, far more than Google, Microsoft, or Mozilla, to get a browser right. This new Opera will not end up recapturing what was. But sometimes the desire for what was can be unhealthy and misplaced, whereas the future can surprise with change, unexpected, but bringing its own unique pleasures. I'd say, don't jump ship. Give the new Opera time and a chance. Opera 22 is a wonderful browser,with many unique features, and advantages over the old Opera, and with, I do trust, more to be discerned with each new rendition of the browser as the future unfolds.
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deld1ablo last edited by
Out of curiosty, I can understand those with lower sys resources shying away from Aero, but what's the issue with the Start Menu? The in-built searchbar is a god-send.
The problem is that its just 4/10 steps towards doing what a bunch of other stuff does better.
So its essentially a very horrible search engine + a very horrible unix launcher. On the top of that, it decides to implement the worst part about how XP did its startmenu view for startmenu added applications.
So you can search for applications, but it can not index applications(i still want to know how to index the .exe files in my D:\Games folder). It only looks for documents in predefined places.
It may or may not look inside of file indexes content, depending on what you search for.
It just feels like a good idea, but never developed to the point where it does what its suppose to do.
Its sorta in the same boat as multi monitor and multi speaker setups for Windows: Its just awful.treego said something, on January 29
Still nothing to do any sort of tabbing? Aw, you could have listed something. I get it not being a issue if you only have 2-3 tabs open, but its still painful on the default. -
prometheus-za last edited by
Opera 22 is a wonderful browser,with many unique features, and advantages over the old Opera, and with, I do trust, more to be discerned with each new rendition of the browser as the future unfolds.
It's a wonderful browser with many of the same features of other browsers if you're happy scraping the bottom of the barrel of productivity. You can insult all you want but the numbers don't lie. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_opera.asp
Opera hasn't been where it is now ito popularity since 2008. They managed to take some market share with changes since then but that has all been undone with crapera. The numbers for the individual versions is even more telling showing users to be divided over the old and new versions. Far from just a few unhappy users like you fanboys want to claim. We complain because it's the only way to get the developers to see the mess they made. You can sit back in your ignorance till crapera eventually disappears altogether because nobody liked it.
