Where do Opera 12.16 users go now Opera is dead?
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bullywug last edited by
I'm still using 12.6 while stuck in Windowsland, but plan to get a Mac soon and just use Safari. What really kills Opera 15 for me (in Windowsland) is that the keyboard cannot be customised. I can't stand windows standard keybindings; I need unix text editing bindings, etc. With Opera and cygwin I could live in Windowsland, doing most things in them, after having decided that Linux is dead. Not anymore, thanks to Opera being dead as well. I have to go for a Mac... only problem is the god-awful Touchpad on Apple laptops. I want my Trackpoint!
Oh good grief.
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
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c0npaq last edited by
PLEASE PEOPLE ... let's be honest: Opera beyond version 12 is a cheap google chrome ripoff mixed with firefox UI design elements. The people, like myself, who are 'whining' here do so because we are high profile, 24/7 users, web designers, programmers, basement dwellers and high-tech people who actually get some real work done because we use truly superior tools and methods to begin with ... like the old style Opera. We waste 30 minutes on hardcore customization once every 3 years and then save like 10-20 minutes every consecutive day in return. UNDERSTANDABLY, now we are intensely butthurt, because we got the choice: migrate to something that causes a considerable loss in productivity (like firefox - not the 'new' Opera - haha what a joke) or watch productivity slowly dwindle as more and more rough edges and corners will show up until the tool finally dies from lack of maintenance (what I prefer to do). Both are naturally ugly.
We, the whiners, are not the big, inept, zero-to-one-hour PC user majority that Opera chose to rather target now. We actually suffer, 10 or 20 times more than you may. But it is just the modern age ...
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lem729 last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Absolutely right. Except, now it's Opera 22 for download.
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Absolutely right. Except, now it's Opera 22 for download.
LOL... good answer. Funny how every now and then another one comes crawling back in with his recriminations, accusations and just generally looking to stir up trouble. <sigh>
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Deleted User last edited by
Where to go? What to do? Oh woe is me! Well, here's a thought. Download Opera 20 and experience a very excellent browser and while you're at it: stop your infernal whining.
Good answer! This topic will be closed soon.
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prometheus-za last edited by
We, the whiners, are not the big, inept, zero-to-one-hour PC user majority that Opera chose to rather target now. We actually suffer, 10 or 20 times more than you may. But it is just the modern age ...
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lem729 last edited by
Prometheus-za, you can roll the stone of nattering negativism up the hill all you want. You'll never get it to the top.
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colderwinters last edited by
I believe the title of the thread was, where does he want to go, Thats the easiest question to figure out, He either goes to the latest Opera or he goes to Firefox, Chrome, Srware Iron, Commodo Dragon, Commodo Ice Dragon and theres even more variants of firefox and Chrome out there and even a few not based on Firefox or Chrome. His choices can only be limited to Available choices and thats where his or her choice of Search Engines help out. It doesn't mattar where I want to Go or what browser I or anyone else wants to use, this is totally up to the person that started this thread
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lem729 last edited by
The whole premise of the thread is that Opera is dead. Unless he meant, Opera Presto is dead, it's a thumbing of one's nose at anyone else who actually sees Opera as alive, vital, with a future. Assuming he didn't, I'd say goodbye and good riddance to anyone who thinks that way. If all he meant was that Opera Presto is dead, well, okay, I can see where the poster might well be in search of a replacement. Opera Blink has a lot of advantages over the old Opera. People need take time to reevaluate, though by now, they should know that Presto isn't coming back. Opera Blink is in the process of being re-built, programmed. I'd trust Opera, far more than Google, Microsoft, or Mozilla, to get a browser right. This new Opera will not end up recapturing what was. But sometimes the desire for what was can be unhealthy and misplaced, whereas the future can surprise with change, unexpected, but bringing its own unique pleasures. I'd say, don't jump ship. Give the new Opera time and a chance. Opera 22 is a wonderful browser,with many unique features, and advantages over the old Opera, and with, I do trust, more to be discerned with each new rendition of the browser as the future unfolds.
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deld1ablo last edited by
Out of curiosty, I can understand those with lower sys resources shying away from Aero, but what's the issue with the Start Menu? The in-built searchbar is a god-send.
The problem is that its just 4/10 steps towards doing what a bunch of other stuff does better.
So its essentially a very horrible search engine + a very horrible unix launcher. On the top of that, it decides to implement the worst part about how XP did its startmenu view for startmenu added applications.
So you can search for applications, but it can not index applications(i still want to know how to index the .exe files in my D:\Games folder). It only looks for documents in predefined places.
It may or may not look inside of file indexes content, depending on what you search for.
It just feels like a good idea, but never developed to the point where it does what its suppose to do.
Its sorta in the same boat as multi monitor and multi speaker setups for Windows: Its just awful.treego said something, on January 29
Still nothing to do any sort of tabbing? Aw, you could have listed something. I get it not being a issue if you only have 2-3 tabs open, but its still painful on the default. -
prometheus-za last edited by
Opera 22 is a wonderful browser,with many unique features, and advantages over the old Opera, and with, I do trust, more to be discerned with each new rendition of the browser as the future unfolds.
It's a wonderful browser with many of the same features of other browsers if you're happy scraping the bottom of the barrel of productivity. You can insult all you want but the numbers don't lie. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_opera.asp
Opera hasn't been where it is now ito popularity since 2008. They managed to take some market share with changes since then but that has all been undone with crapera. The numbers for the individual versions is even more telling showing users to be divided over the old and new versions. Far from just a few unhappy users like you fanboys want to claim. We complain because it's the only way to get the developers to see the mess they made. You can sit back in your ignorance till crapera eventually disappears altogether because nobody liked it. -
A Former User last edited by
numbers don't lie. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_opera.asp
Cool, tell me what happened between April 2011 (2.6
and May 2013 (1.6 %), before any Opera-Chromium's public release. 
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prometheus-za last edited by
numbers don't lie. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_opera.asp
Cool, tell me what happened between April 2011 (2.6 and May 2013 (1.6 %), before any Opera-Chromium's public release. Opera has been seeing a decline since v.10 when major changes were made to the UI. There was actually uptake with the addition of extensions. Opera 15 beta was released May 2013. Take a look at Opera desktop's decline since then. The increase in uptake in recent years has been the result of Opera Mini making the situation even bleaker for Opera desktop. But what's even more telling is that there's roughly a 50/50 split between v.12 and v.15+.
@prometheus-za: Stop trolling and go away.
Follow your own advice. There's only 3 people trolling this thread and you're one of them. -
lem729 last edited by
Now you say, Opera 22 has many of the same features as others. Well, not quite. That Speed Dial with folders is pretty unique. It's "world class," or maybe I should have said, it's the "class of the world." It puts the "fab" in fabulous. As is Discover unique. And Stash. Oh, excuse me, apparently you don't like those features. You'd apparently rather dance tabs on the head of pin. Well, a few people like that kind of browser action too, but really, not many. Of course, there are other superb aspects of the new browser, like it can access sites, the old Opera never could. It had compatibility conflicts (You know, my good fellow, being able to actually get to a site is rather important), and then there's the dazzling speed.
Now let's see, here's when Opera 17 was tested. (Hmmmm. We're now at Opera 22).
"A lot has changed with Opera since we last tested browsers twelve months ago. Since then Opera have switched from using their own "Presto" rendering engine to instead using the same engine as Chrome. Whilst this change has been received with mixed reviews by Opera users, with some unhappy that many of Opera's original features were dropped, our tests results actually show that the "new" Opera is A BROWSER TO BE RECKONED WITH outperforming Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 25, and Safari 5 in our tests. Opera 17 came top in 3 out of our 15 tests, and runner up in 6. The browser also secured highly on HTML5/CSS3 compliance and in our aggregated Javascript performance tests . . ."
They also noted that if you keep the browser open a lot, Opera Blink is the best choice because "initial page loads are the quickest of all the browsers tested."
http://www.slideshare.net/MID_AS/browser-performance-tests
All told, rather promising.
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A Former User last edited by
Opera 15 beta was released May 2013. Take a look at Opera desktop's decline since then.
Are you kidding me?The first 15 build (beta quality) became available on May 28, 2013, it's obvious that 3 days wouldn't change the stat for the month in a meaningful way. Anyway, you can go back to April (1.7%) and it's still a big drop for Opera-Presto alone from 2.6% in April 2011.
And not it has not been in decline since then. After May 2013 (Opera-Chromium release) the market share went up to 1.9% and is steadily variating between it and 1.8% in W3Schools.
what's even more telling is that there's roughly a 50/50 split between v.12 and v.15+.
A datum impossible to analyze because beyond disgruntled users and people using the Presto and the Chromium version in the same machine there's the fact Opera Software chose to not auto-update O12 users to the new version automatically, so many don't even know the new version exists yet.The increase in uptake in recent years has been the result of Opera Mini making the situation even bleaker for Opera desktop.
+-, notice the "Other" column. In May 2014, many deskop versions are absent from the dedicated columns so they seem to be part of it (at the time: 21 Stable, 22 Next and 23 Developer + the full Android versions). -
c0npaq last edited by
Opera 12.16 is the latest release (from 10 month ago) if you aren't using Mac OS or Windows. So pretty much fair to say it is dead on linux.
I wanted to do a side-by-side comparison video how the new Opera lacks 90% of the features that made the old one usable in the first place for advanced users. But apparently, I can't even install it...
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c0npaq last edited by
We complain because it's the only way to get the developers to see the mess they made.
You can sit back in your ignorance till crapera eventually disappears altogether because nobody liked it.
Opera, RIP 2013
