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  • It’s now been over a year since Opera switched to a Chromium engine and stopped developing Presto. A year is a pretty long time in the modern web world, and many web services have set new requirements that browsers need to face. To make sure our users get the best out of the web, we’ve begun offering some of our Presto users a chance to upgrade to Opera 25.

    With this upgrade, users can choose to install the latest version without losing Opera 12 from their computers. If they opt to upgrade to Opera 25, some data - such as bookmarks, cookies, history, passwords, and sessions - will be automatically imported to Opera 25. However, some other data, not supported in Opera 25, will be accessible from external sources:

    Your Opera Mail emails will stay safe within your Opera 12 (or lower) build. You can also download the standalone version of Opera Mail from, and move all your emails there. Opera Mail is now focused on one thing only - handling email better and faster than ever.
    When you upgrade your browser to Opera 25, your notes will be available in an HTML file that appears automatically on your desktop.

    All your IRC client data will stay safe within your Opera 12 (or lower) build. There are also many good standalone IRC clients in the market, such as mIRC.

  • I have never used Opera 12 - I started in Opera at version 15, having previously used mainly Firefox - which I still use for some purposes.

    Here is what is wrong with all Opera 15+ (Chromium) versions

    1. Too few settings are available for changing things
    2. No Print Preview, which means you can't get a page to print how you want it - as a result I always access certain sites through Firefox because I have work-related things I need to print from them
    3. Alt-D does various things, doesn't always take you to the address bar so you can start typing a URL. I use my browsers fast and I don't want to have to think about where I am before I press Alt-D
    4. Opera Turbo comes on without warning, and as far as I know cannot be blocked from doing so; the result being that I find I can't access web pages, and then after a while, sometimes a long while, having tried Firefox, I suddenly think "I wonder if Turbo is on"
    5. In the very latest versions I keep getting a pull down Opera menu appearing in front of other applications after I have used Alt-Tab
    6. Lack of a Bugzilla style interactive community bug reporting system - as a result there is no way of knowing whether Opera is listening to your concerns
  • Is this an "upgrade" in the sense of one obtained via the auto-updater in Presto, or still a manual download/install activity for the user? (I checked a few moments ago, and my Presto version indicated it was "up to date" - which is odd, in particular, because it's version 12.14 and has always previously told me that a more current version, 12.17, was available).

  • Please upate Opera Mail too.

  • I hope the mouse wheel gesture "hold right mouse button + scroll wheel" to switch between tabs will come back. There is no well-working extension for it. Also wish for Opera Mail and RSS-Feed-Reader and a option to write down notes.

  • Yes, I was surprised to suddenly get what looked like an automatic change from my Opera 12.17 to 25. A short moment of fear... was that going to wipe out all my email addresses and bookmarks? And would SpeedDial be forced on me now? I've always disliked those boxes on my screen and had it disabled. I know how to click on the bookmark star, see all my bookmarks, and then click on one of them...

    As I was online sandboxed -having set Sandboxie to do that by default- I was relieved: the install would disappear automatically as soon as I would close my good old Opera 12.17.

    Then I disabled updates: This PC > Local Disk (C:) > Program Files (x86) > Opera > (something about "updater", don't remember exactly.)

    But now that I came here to check and am being reminded that I can run both 12.17 and 25 I'm going to give that a try.

    Only sporadically 12.17 doesn't work well -or not at all- on a website. Then I utilize the handy "Open with" function. If even that does not work, I copy the url and open directly with IE or Firefox.

    And 12.17 is plenty fast enough for me.

    But we'll see with 25... : D

  • I can't believe that you recommended swapping to Opera Mail which you didn't mentioned in a year... please tell us something about it

    On the other hand good work in 25, even though it's far from O12 this update really was a big step forward

  • Cannot edit my above post, so:

    I meant that I deleted Opera "updater" file.

    But I'll download 25 from from Opera's site and allow Sandboxie to save it in my Downloads for the install.

    If 25 would do anything funny to 12.17 -which I don't expect- a have a system backup + incremental ones -the latest one made recently- on an external drive...

  • This browser just keeps getting better and better. I've always had faith in the Opera devs and that has been borne out by this latest version. Keep up the good work, guys. Much appreciated. 😃

  • Opera 25 you still cannot import/export bookmarks. This is the most basic function, it should be priory and be done in the first month. Yet after a year it is still not implemented, absolutely pathetic.

    [mod edit: Did you really have to insult people? Next time your whole comment will be just gone!]

  • Opera 25 did not work with my Sandboxie -it only gave "about:blank" whatever I tried- so I uninstalled 25. But then I checked on the Sandboxie forum, and this issue was noted. Someone there suggested to use the latest Sandboxie version -4.13.7 (Beta)- and after installing that I'm glad to say it works fine with Opera 25.

    I have set as my default start page, and removed the bookmark blocks in Speed Dial -which I see when I open a new tab- because I don't like them. (I had to do that unsandboxed, otherwise they would appear again next time.)

    So now I only see the transparent block in Speed Dial with the big + in it... I can live with that. But I've also set Opera to open the page by typing in the top search bar "st".

    So far so good. But I still am not getting how to see my bookmarks unless as those blocks in Speed Dial. That is the only thing I don't like. And only for that reason will I keep enjoying 12.17 and utilizing it instead of 25.

    Opera 25 seems slightly faster, but the "bookmarks only on Speed Dial" issue makes me not mind to wait a few seconds longer before I see a website.

  • @mistromar,

    I was able to import my bookmarks from Opera 12.17 to 25, although they still are in a Imported Bookmarks folder. By clicking on them I get to their respective websites. Once there I can save them as a new bookmark in 25.

    Not too much work... ; )

    Again, it's only that I've never liked nor used Speed Dial. A nice uncluttered landscape with only the search bar near the top I like much better. (Bing looks great to me although I don't use it much.)

    I like the little bookmark star and list that opens when you click on it. I wonder how people quickly find their bookmarks when they have a few dozen of them in Speed Dial... it takes some scrolling down the page and looking around. That's not for me. 🙂

  • Apropos: I only search for my bookmarks if they are of the one time nature (like "watched - off!").
    I use the address bar. In all other cases:)
    Ah! and the Speed Dial! :cheers: 😃

  • How to adjust the opening of the middle mouse button in a new sheet to the front without simultaneously pressing the Shift key.
    This should be set as the basic behavior. Who wants the background, and whether to retain the Shift still retains ...
    Speed Dial is the best choice!

  • I'm glad to see so many like Opera 25.

    I just ran speed a test with a simple kitchen timer measuring only whole seconds. To see how long from hitting the Opera 12.17 icon on my task bar to my and the same with Opera 25.
    The results using Sandboxie and not using it:

    Opera 12.17
    unsandboxed: 4 seconds.
    Sandboxed: 6 seconds.

    Opera 25 unsandboxed: 8 seconds.
    Sandboxed: 14 seconds.

    Once on my start page I typed in "google".
    The page with Google as the top link appeared after 2 seconds in Opera 12.17 and after 1 second in Opera 25.

    I repeated each test a few times.

    Sandboxie deletes the bookmark blocks in Speed Dial after closing Opera 25. So unless you surf unsandboxed in 25 your Speed Dial bookmarks will not be there the next time.

    I'm not sure how that works in Opera 12.17 Speed Dial sandboxed, as I disabled Speed Dial soon after utilizing Opera some 9 years ago. But Sandboxie leaves my bookmarks list (accessible by tapping on the little yellow star) in 12.17 untouched.

    Not a difficult decision for me to make between using 12.17 or 25. I'm very grateful to the developers for my favorite browser: Opera 12.17.

  • Only now did I discover that you can edit your post by clicking -or tapping if you use a touchpad as I do- on the little gray cog wheel on the left...

  • LodeStone, :lol:.
    Still, your actual loading speed at a given moment depends on the current configuration of your path to the server. :idea: To objectively measure your connectivity, I guess you need a dedicated speedtest service. Like - yes:) speedtest or There are others.

  • Thank you.

    Opera 25 is a bit faster when doing the speed test you suggested:
    Using Oakla:

    With 12.16 download speed was 5.88 Mbps.
    With 25 it was 6.22 Mbps.

    I took the fastest results out of 5 tests of each.

    Maybe a good idea to watch HD streams and download large files in 25... 🙂

    (Although 12.17 is plenty fast enough for me as a simple home user. And I like the shorter time it takes to get to my default home page in that oldie but goodie.)

  • I use Opera 11 to watch movies.
    I'll tell you what? My broadband is ~20Mb/s, but it's up to the server where the videofile is if I will actually watch or just wait for buffering. Count the actual path to that pile, of course: approximately at the same time and of similar quality files may load drastically different.
    So what Opera actually does I don't know, but I doubt that matters about streams.

  • You are right. I just tested my Internet speed again. This time in 12.17 it was 5.81 and in the 25 it was 5.95.

    For some to me unknown reason each browser version connected to a different Oakla host. I guess that also influences it.

    I live 4 km from the exchange center -or whatever that is called in English- which means that my ISP cannot deliver the full 20 Mbps I would get if I lived closer to that center. There is no glass-fiber cable in my vicinity yet.

    It's fast enough for me. So no problem.