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  • @string -> Back on topic:
    The ownership of a mail-account, is the very same as "owning" a website. For example "mywebsite-com" is facilitated by "WebSiteHost-big-business Inc". Just because the company "WebSiteHost" wants to use "mywebsite-com" for another client, does not give them the right just to stop facilitating. Period.

    This would mean the very end of every website.

  • @boonstra - Thanks for the remark, but it's not clear what you'ere getting at.

  • @wayner46 Glad to hear you'll soon be "maxing out" on the jabs. It's a nice feeling when it's done.

    I'm not really getting anywhere with my search for a new "email base". In the course of that I looked at the MS 365 Personal Offer, not that it provides an email but it does come with a usable slice of Cloud Storage. But on checking the situation should I fall off my perch and my wife had to access the data I had stored there, I found the MS are less than obliging on that front and apply extreme fussiness to releasing data which she must have. That means that MS 365 is at risky and messy. I haven't looked yet but I presume that will apply to Outlook as well, being in the MS Stable.

    Now my Operamail has stopped receiving email; it is not my week!

  • @string said in Operamail future?:

    I found the MS are less than obliging on that front and apply extreme fussiness to releasing data which she must have. That means that MS 365 is at risky and messy. I haven't looked yet but I presume that will apply to Outlook as well, being in the MS Stable.

    My wife and I use Lastpass and linked out accounts via "family" sharing. This means that she is (and would be in the event of my untimely demise) able to access my accounts including Office 365 (she has had an MS Office 365 account for years with the ability to put it on 4 devices one of which is my laptop). So my OneDrive and Outlook is available to her (all my documents, pictures and so forth). Should we decide to dump Lastpass (and I've considered this more than once) we would only opt for a password manager that would give us a similar "family" account. Just a thought. Sorry to hear about your Opera mail. I lost mine a long time back.

  • @string I should also add, that recently I have downloaded the latest version of Vivaldi along with their email client. I believe it has a great deal of promise. In fact, Vivaldi has a very active forum as well as individual blogs much like the Opera of old. Every indication at this point is that Vivaldi might very well be a dark horse that will gain traction as more discover its many virtues (and for me one of those would be implicit trust). You might want to check it out if you haven't already.

  • Skimming through the responses and a thought just occurred to me: perhaps the undignified shafting of @operamail.com (domain, email service) and the resulting outcry relates more to the loss of trust such a move has generated. Another signal that our "digital signature", or presence, really counts for nought in a technological environment that while it may say much about the value we represent as individuals (looking at you, Outlook365) - we are aught but electrical commodities to these businesses of "communication". I think that no-one is served to be treated or ignored as a "neo-Luddite" for not simply adopting a new digital "skin" when losing a decades-old email identity. Especially when it has worked so well for so long, and been paid for the service.
    My 2c (with archaic English for garnish)

  • @arobbo -> Indeed, the result is a "loss of trust"...

    One thing Politics/Government and Big Companies agree upon, is the ultimate desire to erase memory. Orwell called it rewriting history. Politicians want to be able to "sell" the same (broken) promise again, and companies want you to buy the same faulty product again, and forget the bad experience with the previous purchase... It's all over history, erasing archives, erasing memory, just be stupid, obey and consume.

    Back on subject, in 1998 my mail was stored in a server in Oslo, then it went to HongKong, and from there it went to Australia.So far all good. But now the Chinese have bought Opera and Operamail. So my mail will be under control of the Communist Party. No thanks. My Social Credibility Score in China will be in the red......

  • @boonstra said in Operamail future?:

    Back on subject, in 1998 my mail was stored in a server in Oslo, then it went to HongKong, and from there it went to Australia.So far all good. But now the Chinese have bought Opera and Operamail. So my mail will be under control of the Communist Party. No thanks. My Social Credibility Score in China will be in the red......

    This is exactly what I have been saying for a few years now. As a result, I have uninstalled Opera since I have no trust in the new ownership which is undoubtedly under the control of the Communist Party (which incidentally has obscene human rights practices).

  • @wayner46 -> Small correction, the main Fastmail servers are located in NJ and NY. There are several scattered in other locations, also in the Netherlands, Europe.

    The only thing Fastmail lacks is an end-to-end encryption, and having the main server in the USA, will not really make it very private. Personally I put more trust in the Russian democracy then in the voting system in the "land of the free".......

    I am a sort of system administrator for my family, and currently replacing/removing Opera on all systems with Brave and Vivaldi. Also dumped Teamviewer for NoMachine, works great !

    And you're right, there is a foul taste on Opera with it's new owners.

    Addition, statement of Fastmail in 2013:
    Australia does not have any equivalent to the US National Security Letter, so we cannot be forced to do something without being allowed to disclose it.

    https://fastmail.blog/company/fastmails-servers-are-in-the-us-what-this-means-for-you

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  • @boonstra I've been quite impressed with Vivaldi lately. I think it has a real future and not just for techies.

  • @wayner46 Vivaldi is basically a copy of what Opera was in the past, during its Presto days. In fact it was create aiming on those who missed Opera Presto features.

  • @leocg Agreed, Leo. And I think it's for that very reason that it will succeed. I just wish it still had the Presto engine. ☹

  • @wayner46 I guess it will copy Opera (Presto) on it and be a browser for a niche.

  • Just in case someone might be intersested (fat chance!) I thought I would expose myself to what I just did.

    Ike most here I bewail the passing of opera­mail, for all the reasons that have come up ranging from nostalgia to the pure hassle of changing. Plus the irritation of being forced to do something.

    Becasue of a misunderstanding of how long I actually had to do something, I thought that all had to be sorted this month because I had downloaded part of the on-cloud email archive to see what arrived in my computer. Well, I don't know it that was actually correct but the result wwas that looked at “solutions” and came to the conclusion that I couldn't come to a conclusion and so started to look at what I had to do it the end of the moth was a real deadline.

    Enter Panic, left, right and centre!

    In the course of that I discovered that Fastmail actually make it rather easy to recover the basics (emails you want to keep, email addresses etc, although copying / resending / printing as {Dfs email is a genuine hassle. What was difficult was deciding who needed to be told what the new email would be, with the inevitable conclusion being that one transfer being enough, one would have to get it right first time if one left precipitously.

    support@fastmail.com were very useful and pointed me towards a solution which has turned out to be very simple to achieve. It took me 5 to 10 minutes to set it up and more r than 10 I think. There are several domains to choose from.

    My email address was xyz@operamail.com (not xyz of course but my 3 initials – a conceit I know, but why not!?)
    I renamed my identity, changing the domain at the same time, to xyz@fastmail.co.uk), using a very natty facility in Fastmail, which, at the same time automatically added xyz@operamail as an alias meaning that this would be transparent to people wanting to send me emails, or replying to them). One can add a footer which advise on any new email address one might chose, including the renamed one.

    I'm pleased with that choice, even though it is but step 1 of the process because:

    o It takes the time pressure hassle away and I can chose the transfer date when I'm ready
    o It thereby increases the time pressure of making a decision on what comes next
    o I can prepare in parallel some of the transfer work
    o I can spread the change announcement over a controlled period; first the top priority and second, because the incoming will still reach me as I would plan an overlap between loosing opera-mail and the new one becoming functional.
    o In principle I won't have to move twice
    o It uses the existing subscription
    o I get to keep the front end of my ID

    Al the a pretty obvious but added up I think it's a good choice.

    One thing to come out of it so far ia that Fastmail is pretty good and finding a Mail client as good as that will be tricky. By now I'm comfortable using Fastmail and might stay there. The above process protects that as a choice, rather the leaving becoming a fait accomplit.

    I looked at Google – clunky I would say
    also at Outlook – also a bit clunky but in a more sophisticated way
    Of course that may be lack of familiarity particularly with Outlook, but that's my impression so far.
    I tried to look at Vivaldi Mail but having sort of registered my new ID it would not let me complete the process , so work in progress there.

    I've not looked at Thunderbird

    Well there we are, not for everyone perhaps, but not a bad staging post which eases one into the migration.

  • @string - great job, much appreciated!

  • @boonstra it's not cool. like some have said, they still use operamail through fastmail. i'm in the same boat. not just linked to a hundred places, my email, I_ArtMan@operamail.com is handled by fastmail, which i liked the way it worked. gmail being so busy , business complicated. now in june 2022 i will be dumped. this is somehow unfair. when our blogs were threated we we able to one click the whole ten years into wordpress. that's the way things should be done.

  • @iartman It's unfortunate but that is reality so you're going to have to deal with it. Best to archive your mail and choose a new client while you have time. Complaining will not change anything and just waste time.

  • Well I have some further thoughts on this Email Migration conundrum and can say what my conclusions are.

    The bottom line is that I am staying with Fastmail for a while and may well make that long term.

    I set up a new Account on Fastmail which is of the type xyz@fastmail.co.uk (other countries are available) and that is working well. In the main I use as email just the now-alias identity xyz@operamail.com which Fastmail set up for you which is very easy to use and puts emails directly in your new Fastmail account. The Fastmail help people were great, even with my blundering.

    At first I thought I would try out the process of migration to another account, transferring the emails as I went along, using my Gmail account as the target and copying emails out to there. It was a disaster because I was approaching it from a piecemeal viewpoint and saw myself collapsing in a welter of lost and/or duplicated emails.

    So I decided to inform as priority those contacts whose emails I would like to know about first like Medical stuff, Banks, key shops and other financial things; in general those that I register with but do not normally write to but who send emails which MUST go to the right place.The rest can be worked through; for them operamail is still working, but they and even close friends can wait.

    A necessary trick is to have a good checksheet and keep count. Memory only lasts to the next email.

    I've taken the opportunity to reduce my inbox to manageable levels (Over 2000 to less than 10) and tidy up my folder logic. In this I was lucky to discover the Fastmail App (Which is very good indeed) so that I could sort out a lot of that while watching the latest version of my Netflix serial in the comfort of my sofa and a glass of wine

    If I do decide to change to a different Email service I now know that a lot of the transfer work can be done very easily and the experience I'm getting in informing contacts will be invaluable.

    But I've bought myself time to take that decision, and I have to say that Fastmail is actually rather good.

    Cheers

  • @iartman
    Indeed, not cool, it's an understatement ! And it's not even Opera who pulls the plug on Operamail, it's that Chinese buyer of Opera. The last years, when giving my email, I referred to the "...action where a fat lady sings...", and not any more to the browser. This is well motivated, because i like classical music. Die Zauberflöte, or even better, Arminio,... anyone ?

    Nevertheless, I have a 2 digit operamail-account, and of course the fastmail-version is taken. That 2 digit operamail-account was a fight to keep, somewhere back in 2013, when a "short" name was more expensive to keep. Before that, there was a hacking attempt to take it away from me. Yes, I have defended my mail on several occasions.

    So now I have about a year to replace all of my Operamail usage's by the new one. And I hate it, that I am forced to do this. Still I will cling onto my operamail to the very last.

    @wayner46
    Please, can you stop your demotivating comments ? We know the patient operamail is dying, but you have already declared it fully dead, even very dead. You really don't stand your ground do you ?? Whe're being pulled a leg, that's a good reason to complain and fight. Juridical it's a grey area, but unilaterally withdrawing a service is not common. Though daily business for Mark Zuckerberg....