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Opera 15 is a DISASTER

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    What a truckload of hysterical drama queens. Opera 15 is not a finished browser. You can choose to use it side by side with v.12.x OR you can choose to simply continue with v 12.x and keep an eye on the new Opera as features are added back. You also have the option of moving to another browser and waiting to see how the development of Opera proceeds. OR... you can be adventurous and install Opera 15 and try to find work arounds for those features currently missing. Having said all that, Opera is proceeding quite nicely. It's fast, it's compatible and features are returning. No need to wring your hands and panic. The thing that is apparent in these threads is that there are many first-time posters (really?) who evidently do not read very well. You need to educate yourself in terms of what Opera is planning before pressing the panic button. 🙂

    If Opera 15 is not a finished browser, then Opera 15 should not be the PRIMARY download. That spot should be taken by Opera 12, and Opera 15 offered as a Try out, with User Input. Uninstalling Opera 15 just isn't satisfying enough. It left some of us with the feeling that it should be Destroyed permanently. Google needs serious competition, not to chicken out and join the junk they peddle. How many times did you have to install a program with custom options so Google Chrome won't force its way into your computer?
    The rest of your post is useless because Plans should be just that, Plans, until Release. So I reiterate again that Opera 12 should be the MAIN download.

  • removing bookmarks from a WEB BROWSER it is like removing wheels from a car...and then pretending that it`s the new and faster and better stuff..
    stupid....

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Now that is interesting. Somehow I never fell into the problem you've related above. I knew from the start that Opera 15 (or Next as it was dubbed then) was experimental and that the best thing to do was to stick with v. 12.16 until such time as the features absolutely essential to my browsing were returned. And you know... I'm just an average guy, Rumpel. Nothing special about me so if "I" could manage to understand this, how is it that so many according to you, were duped? Very odd.

    For anyone who visits Opera.com, all they see is a page promoting their latest version, no info concerning missing features or a rewrite.

    Opera homepage:
    http://imageshack.us/a/img189/8997/17vn.png

    Opera download page:
    http://imageshack.us/a/img836/8691/h8pt.png

    You tell me how any average user would know there's a difference, until they download and install it? Or anyone, for that matter, who doesn't visit the forums regularly?

  • well..
    perhaps their decision to put Opera 15 as default download is a little bit crazy.
    but if some users that confused with it , and they go to Official forum.
    then, somehow it must there any people that kind enuf to show them the FTP for Opera 12.
    ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/
    n/or explain this transition.

  • A little bit crazy? Ya think? What they should have done, is still promoted 12.16 as the primary download, but *also* offered the "developing" version 15 as an alternative. As it is, all they are doing is essentially fooling people into downloading the latest feature-incomplete version, which leads to misgivings and bad feelings towards Opera. When I downloaded this onto a customers computer, and saw the massive changes made, I was completely shocked and dismayed. I had no clue what was going on, only that it was no longer the Opera I knew. They way they are handling this rollout is a debacle, and is the primary reason why there is so much backlash.

  • i have no idea why they do that.
    but Opera is a Company, every decision must be not a single person decision.
    it seems they also ready with the risk.

    cant do anything with that.

  • Opera 15 is more usable then Opera 12. Opera 12 seems to crash more offen then other browsers and it would slow down sometimes for no apparently reason. After using Opera for over 15 years, I actually stopped using Opera 12 as my primary browser.

  • Originally posted by hate9point5:

    For the icon for 15, I named it, "Son of Opera."

    Needs to be "Adopted Son of Opera". 15 has no relation to its parent except in name.

  • Yet another pointless thread.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Yet another pointless thread.

    Says the only person who likes opera 15.

  • Originally posted by leushino:

    Yet another pointless thread.

    Pointless? If so, why is it attracting so much attention?

  • It is just another "i am (almost) one month late, lost the timming of the discussion and didn't update myself about it but want to post my rant/mimimi about Opera 15."

    There were some of them since the end of July, beginning of August maybe because of the vacations.

  • Originally posted by LeoCG:

    It is just another "i am (almost) one month late, lost the timming of the discussion and didn't update myself about it but want to post my rant/mimimi about Opera 15."

    There were some of them since the end of July, beginning of August maybe because of the vacations.

    Opera 15 is just as much of a piece of shit now as it was back then, so why wouldn't you expect people to still hate it?

  • The basic thing here is that Opera have decided to become a different company with a different product that appeals to different people. That's a valid business decision. I for one think it is a wrong business decision, but time will tell.

    Opera was a niche product. It always was. But there is nothing wrong with niche products. It might be nice to dream of being the dominant mass market product, but it seems unlikely that Opera will be able to dislodge Google from their current hegemony. The only time a browser has done something like it was Firefox, and that was driven by a huge "anti-Microsoft" animus.

    So, the old Opera was feature rich. Nearly every fan had a different set of features that they use, and consider "essential" to their own workflow (or "playflow"). For me, one of those features is tabs on the sidebar. When I discovered that, it was a revelation and I cannot bear the thought of going back to tabs crammed into the top of the screen. But because "most" people don't use this, Opera have dropped it and I daresay it won't be back, not just to please a few thousands like me.

    But, other people had other "must have" features, and they too are lost. Everyone who appreciated Opera for the reason it was Opera has no reason to use the new product, which is entirely different.

    I was utterly appalled when I tried the new Opera to find how primitive it is; I had explored it all in less than five minutes, and even ignoring the ghastly huge Google search that can't be got rid of (I too use Bing mostly) it was clear that this was not the product for me.

    So really, I'm just sad at what has happened. No browser now offers the features I have come to rely on. Very disappointed.

  • Just change the name and the symbol. I never liked this 'flavour' of Opera. What about Oasis?

    Btw, no rocker navigation in 15? Thats a No-Go

  • leushino, it appears that you're the only one who "sees the whole picture".

    you should stop repeating the same things all the time.
    you should stop repeating the same things all the time.
    you should stop repeating the same things all the time; etc., etc....

  • Opera 16 & 17 are both crap too.

    You can hope that Opera developers will somehow get it right eventually.

    You might be waiting til' Opera v100 in that case.

  • Opera 16 & 17 are both crap too.

    You can hope that Opera developers will somehow get it right eventually.

    You might be waiting til' Opera v100 in that case.

  • To even think that you can push out a version so dumbed down and incomplete that it doesn't even have BOOKMARKS (never mind having no menus), is a grave mistake, because it makes people believe that it's not important and that Opera is just going to be a sub-brand of Chrome. I shudder just thinking about it.

    I'm going to say to you developers the same things I've suggested to Microsoft's devs: FIX THE DAMN CODE so that it works with most sites like Firefox does, BUT DON'T MESS WITH THE FEATURES AND UI!!!

    Wait a minute... Is it just me or doesn't it seem like Opera just hired the Windows 8 team that Microsoft recently fired?

    Hmmm!

  • Originally posted by 83bj60:

    Wait a minute... Is it just me or doesn't it seem like Opera just hired the Windows 8 team that Microsoft recently fired?

    Hmmm!

    It's just you. BTW... I like Windows 8. 🙂

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