Different thinking (for those who love Opera 12.16)

  • Hello All,

    I think people who love Opera 12.16 have lost all the hope as Opera software team does not seem to take steps that look promising towards building better Opera.. So I thought let's think differently about this. What are the features because of which should we change to new Opera versions and with some new standards how long can we use Opera 12.16 smoothly.

    So basically the simple question would be, should we upgrade? is there a necessity for upgrade? how long can we stay without being upgraded?

  • Good question. I really like 12.16 and it works the best on my computer. I haven't found any browser I like as much and I have tried them all. The only one that is sort of okay is SlimBrowser.

  • Originally posted by miniramleela:

    So basically the simple question would be, should we upgrade? is there a necessity for upgrade? how long can we stay without being upgraded?

    That's a question only you can answer. As long as jQuery continues to support Opera 12.1x most of the web will probably remain functional.

  • Originally posted by miniramleela:

    What are the features because of which should we change to new Opera versions and with some new standards how long can we use Opera 12.16 smoothly.

    I have fewer problems with Opera 11.64 than with 12.16.

    My policy is to test Opera 18+ and provide some positive feedback on the most essential features that people need before they will be persuaded to upgrade. I comment on the Desktop Team Blog to report various issues and offer improvement suggestions.

    Long-term (after a year or two), I think old Opera will become obsolete.

  • Old Opera may become obsolete after a year or two, but what do you project the new Opera to be then ??

  • The best replacement for Opera Classic, minus the M2 mail client, obviously. Well, it doesn't hurt to be optimistic. :D

  • I have just try new Opera 18 in Windows 8 and unistall it after 20 minutes later.

    These are the reasons or missing features:

    1. Sessions: there is no sesions any more. I only use opera for all my Business Web Sites. I have about 6 sessions or Business Groups. But in V. 18 I can't find sessions features anymore.
    2. I import all old business sessions into V. 18. it will successfuly open the default session in the first time which has 3 Opera Windows for each Business Topic. Anyway, after closing all windows and re-open it again, it will show only the Last Windows when I existed. (Default current Openning Windows setting)
    3. With setting on the 3rd options in the setting (select current openning pages). If I choose this setting and exit the Opera, the new opening windows will have ONLY 1 Windows not 3 as the original Sessions. All > 30 Urls are openning in the same windows. Imagine what it looks likea and how it's so difficult to work with.

    Recommendation:
    Please add Sessions Features into all of your New Versions. This is the best of Opera and make it OVER The Top.

    Now, Operat is still my Business Browser and, of course, Back to V. 12 for Sessions Features.

    Thanks & Bet Regarsd

  • It's no doubt that versions with the Presto kernel are better in many ways, but how is it with security? Is 12.16 insecure? What about 11.64?

  • Originally posted by Vikingen:

    Is 12.16 insecure? What about 11.64?

    When they launched Opera 15 they said that they would continue to maintain Opera 12, which means they will release security fixes if needed.

    You only have to look at the Changelogs for versions after 11.64 to see that several security issues were fixed, which makes me wonder why no issues have surfaced since Opera 12.16 was released on 4th July 2013.

    I don't visit dodgy sites, and I don't do online banking, so security is less of an issue for me than usability.

    I am affected much more by the stupid pagedown/pageup behaviour in Opera 12.xx than by worries over security issues.

    Originally posted by miniramleela:

    what do you project the new Opera to be then ?

    All I expect of Opera Blink after six months or a year is some level of customisation for shortcuts and gestures, and a few more configuration options like Tab Thumbnails, hide the close button on tabs, right-mouse wheel cycling, a bookmark menu and manager, and numerous other minor fixes that won't make much difference to me.

  • Originally posted by Pesala:

    Originally posted by Vikingen:

    Is 12.16 insecure? What about 11.64?

    When they launched Opera 15 they said that they would continue to maintain Opera 12, which means they will release security fixes if needed.

    You only have to look at the Changelogs for versions after 11.64 to see that several security issues were fixed, which makes me wonder why no issues have surfaced since Opera 12.16 was released on 4th July 2013.

    I don't visit dodgy sites, and I don't do online banking, so security is less of an issue for me than usability.

    I am affected much more by the stupid pagedown/pageup behaviour in Opera 12.xx than by worries over security issues.

    Haha they forgot to publish a change log for 12.16.
    But Pesala, you don't need to do financial stuff online to be at risk. There is an increasing problem with ransomware that encrypts the files and locks out the owner. Some police department in USA was victim of this, and they ended up paying ransom money.

  • Yes, you need to upgrade,not only for security reasons.
    Opera v12 was their worst effort imo. Many problems with hardware acceleration, many memory and stability bugs.

    I also was a bit hesitant to upgrade, by my transition to v18 was smooth, after a few days i got used to the new version.
    I understand the criticism, the versions from 15-17 didn't even have the ability to import bookmarks. Opera made the transition to chromium very hasty and rushed imo.
    They should have implemented at first some of the old opera features that we all loved. We need bookmark sidebar, more customization and settings!

    Other than that it's a good browser, better than chrome and mozilla. I used to hate chrome, but opera has better speed dial, it's faster and with better looks (as always!). It lacks in extensions of course and not all of the ones from chrome are compatible.

  • Regarding how long one can use Presto-Opera versions (including 12.16 after it's no longer security-supported), I believe the answer lies in considering the combination of security risks and one's tolerance of whatever website incompatibility one encounters while browsing... and, indeed, users vary in how they view these.

    With respect to security issues, the risks are related in part to the nature of websites one browses. While any website might get hacked to contain browser-exploiting malware and while some websites carry "outside" ads that could be malicious, many sites don't... so browsing in the "safe" lanes can and does remain relatively risk-free for a very long time using an "old" browser - especially if the user keeps it "locked down" (blocking ads, avoiding JavaScript whenever possible, etc, etc). Moreover, using layered security on one's system (limited user accounts, anti-executable tools, anti-malware software, and/or other safe-hex measures) can avoid major problems if something bad should try to slip in. With Windows, consider employing a robust 'hosts' file to block any website's access to dodgy or privacy-threatening site call-outs.

    With respect to site compatibility, there is the usual trick to try in an Old Opera browser - masking/identifying as another browser, though this is working less successfully in these days of increasingly complex browser-sniffing. But in the end, the best approach might end up being to simply develop a habit of using different browsers for different things. If browsing in "harm's way", use the most up-to-date, securely-designed browser you can find. If browsing for videos and such, use the most compatible browser you can find with the most up-to-date, secure video display technology/plug-in. For browsing safe or trusted sites, use the browser you're most comfortable with, including Old Opera.

  • Originally posted by expresso79:

    I understand the criticism, the versions from 15-17 didn't even have the ability to import bookmarks.

    Do upward versions have that ability? Will aunt Gertrude easily import her Firefox bookmarks?

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