Title bar removed from latest Opera on Ubu 16.04?
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A Former User last edited by
Why all those software companies put effort into what has no need fixing/changing? Constant UI changes, unnecessary and distracting animations, background videos, oversized icons, massive open space - all things which does not help productivity at all.
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A Former User last edited by
Because "they know better than you".
Plus, when the changes from one major version to another are almost zero for the average user (e.g. opera 58, compared to 57, ONLY introduced the option to "warn before closing multiple tabs" and nothing more), you realize that something that classifies as "less important stuff" for you is a "major improvement" for the dev.
Altering the csd buttons just for linux will probably mean they will have a different code for them (= the buttons) to maintain for all future releases.I think I will make a thread on "what still bugs me with opera" so I can share my thoughts with everyone else in here...
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jamesisin last edited by
Eight months after my original post and still no change. No menus. No O menu. Clearly a major bug. Worst published mistake from Opera since I started using it in, what?, 1998? Quite appalling.
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A Former User last edited by
Yesterday, I remembered that this thing exists
https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsdIt is supposed to disable csd on apps that support it. And it does work, mainly with gnome apps, but it does not work on opera. Launcing opera like so
gtk3-nocsd operajust launches another instace of opera, with the csd.
This makes me assume opera's csd is as hardcoded as the gtk theme it uses, so there will be no change anytime soon. -
A Former User last edited by
Just to say that they RUINED the browser on Linux with the CSD choice.
I am asking myself how has been possible possible to make such a radical, counterproductive and absolutely wrong choice. It costs about nothing to allow who wants it to show the titlebar.
Why remove it to get an app looking so bad that one wants only to remove it just to not even have the possibility to look at it. -
A Former User last edited by
I am a long-time Opera user, and I have been very much satisfied with this piece of software, that I've been using on Windows. But now as I am moving to Linux on my home machine, I just realized, that the CSD of the Opera window while fits in well with the Windows 10 UI design, it ruins the consistency of the look on the Linux desktop.
I wish the option came back to use the title bar. I love Opera, but just looks so out of place on my Linux desktop
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A Former User last edited by
@gleycon If you are tired of Opera's lay-out nowadays it is possible to get the Otter Browser. Controlled by the user, not vice versa. It's a rather new browser and goes back to the best aspects of the classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5. It's not as big as Opera today, but however it can be a good answer to less development on your favourite browser..
Less is beautiful!!
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A Former User last edited by
I am no expert on this subject but I do use Opera on three Ubuntu boxes on different multi-boot combinations of a few different Ubuntu and Opera releases and desktops. The title bar/menu options seem to differ, some have the Opera Button at top left on, some do not and so on.
What I can say is that so far double-clicking the sidebar (even totally empty) toggles between full screen and back and the tile/menu bar then appears on all of mine. A bit of a nuisance but if it works for you and you love Opera it gets by.
However, I do hang with LTS Ubuntu releases, and it does seem that the Opera Button itself MIGHT agree with Gnome more than Unity- but of that I am not sure.
Since the double-click works for me in all cases SO FAR , I just use that on my Unity installs.
Good luck.
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jamesisin last edited by
@oldrivers I have no menus. I can move back and forth from full screen in many ways. I need menus to get to other functions which live in menus.
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A Former User last edited by
@jamesisin
Sorry, I believe that I misunderstood your original note. I thought that you simply did not like the menu being in the "top of screen" position rather than the application's title bar (I'm with you on that) so i suggested that the double-click on the Opera side panel was at least the easy way to switch back and forth and get the menu when needed. The "O" button was there at one point but that seems to have been abandoned.At any rate, on my system settings/appearance/behavior the "in the menu bar" & "always displayed" does at least work for Opera, but the fact that it then puts every program's menu there (that does not have a menu "button") at the screen top means that I stick with "windows title bar" & "always displayed" that and just do the double-click for Opera, for me the easiest way to toggle full screen.
On my boxes (combinations of 16.04, 18.04 Unity and Gnome) Chrome on most boxes seems to be operating like Opera with no window menu, Firebird and Chromium work just fine, Vivaldi uses a menu button. I have a few other browsers and Windows 10 but this note is far too long already..
At least I can get it title bars somewhere on them all. Bummer for you.
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A Former User last edited by
Long time user since v12 - presto.
v44 - last 32bit that didn't have certificate problems.
Jumped to v66 after migrating to 64bit lubuntu 18.04.
Looks more like IE (or do they call it edge nowadays?).
Seems this started with v55.
No title border - therefore no WM functionality.
No windows borders (very difficult to grab edges).
Loss of window decorations just makes it look crap compared to the rest the desktop.My Solution:
Installed v54 for general browsing.
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gleycon last edited by
Too bad.
We have been asking for years to return Opera to its original form. But I don't think the developers are at all in the mood for that.I just don't understand why they take this initiative that is so detrimental to the smooth operation of Opera in all Operating Systems.
For this new form of border is horrible, and impractical; either on Linux or Windows.
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gleycon last edited by
@flyingspaghetti-0 Thank you very much for the tip, I ended up installing Otto on my machine, but unfortunately for me it didn't work. It is still very young, and is full of incompatibilities with the types of sites I browse. I will leave it installed here and with each update it has I will play a little to see if it can be my new browser. Because I am passionate about QT technology, and a satisfactory browser version with that language has not yet come out.
Damn opera !!! Will I really have to change my browser. Again!!! First Firefox disappoints me with Quantum, making me lose years of use with add-ons, etc ... After I completely adapted to Opera, you are also going downhill!
Such a trivial thing, just leave the windows as they were! Why had it changed? Why?
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joecot last edited by
For anyone still running in to this, the main reason I wanted the title bar was to be able to see the Ubuntu / Linux system context menu, to set "Always on Top". There doesn't appear to be a way to make the system title bar show up, but you can get that context menu by hitting Alt+Spacebar.
