I want to add my own default sarch engines
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prometheus-za last edited by
Opera has always had a speed dial. They invented it. It is a feature that attracts me as a user. If they dropped it, and there wasn't an adequate extension (but I'm willing to use extensions), I might well go elsewhere for a browser.
And there you sum up the sentiment we have towards bookmarks, search engines, scortcuts etc.
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lem729 last edited by
Exactly. But if i lost the feature or features I want and value highly, I wouldn't rant and rave, as some Presto people have. I'd look at the current browsers, and possibly move on to another if it was better for me. And I'd accept change.
Aside: On bookmarks, I have no problem with some improvements. I support a bookmarks manager importer from third party browsers. I would like Opera Blink to support exporting the bookmarks as html. It would be nice to have Opera, when it takes a bookmark let you put it in a folder, subfolder, etc, or create your own folder for it, all as part of the action of taking the bookmark. I have already posted that already as my suggestion. And I would find more keyboard shortcuts helpful. Absolutely. But I'm not hooting and howling at Opera as part of an enraged mob. ;))) Let's give them a little space and time.
And I do right now enjoy the browser. I find it highly promising. On search engine -- which is this suggestion-item-thread -- I 'd rather Opera stay with offering search engines that are safe, and the ability to use others with a one or two letter code. ;). I defer to them on the safety issue here. Ending up in a dangerous website (with downloaded viruses and malware) can be a disaster. They don't have to give users a choice, the exercise of which, they feel is highly dangerous, when there's such a reasonable saving option -- a one (or maybe two) letter code in front of the search query (something that even a moron can do) that would solve the problem, until the threat of the hijacking issue can be remedied. As soon as it is, may there be more default search engines!
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prometheus-za last edited by
Exactly. But if i lost the feature or features I want and value highly, I wouldn't rant and rave, as some Presto people have. I'd look at the current browsers, and possibly move on to another if it was better for me. And I'd accept change.
Aside: On bookmarks, I have no problem with some improvements. I support a bookmarks manager importer from third party browsers. I would like Opera Blink to support exporting the bookmarks as html. It would be nice to have Opera, when it takes a bookmark let you put it in a folder, subfolder, etc, or create your own folder for it, all as part of the action of taking the bookmark. I have already posted that already as my suggestion. And I would find more keyboard shortcuts helpful. Absolutely. But I'm not hooting and howling at Opera as part of an enraged mob. ;))) Let's give them a little space and time.
And that is the point. You would be no different than us and may even state your intent like any fan of Opera would. The only difference is that we would not call your complaints rants. Opera has been given space and time but their responses to the issues is neither here nor there.And I do right now enjoy the browser. I find it highly promising. On search engine -- which is this suggestion-item-thread -- I 'd rather Opera stay with offering search engines that are safe, and the ability to use others with a one or two letter code. ;). I defer to them on the safety issue here. Ending up in a dangerous website (with downloaded viruses and malware) can be a disaster. They don't have to give users a choice, the exercise of which, they feel is highly dangerous, when there's such a reasonable saving option -- a one (or maybe two) letter code in front of the search query (something that even a moron can do) that would solve the problem, until the threat of the hijacking issue can be remedied. As soon as it is, may there be more default search engines!
That is your own preference. It is not ours. As we have said the issue is not security. There are much better ways to deal with hijacking than removing functionality. -
lem729 last edited by
You speak for yourself, prometheus-za. What is this "us."
You haven't been elected to represent others. Not every Presto person favors Opera providing default search engines that are not safe. You do. Some others may well not. This is no monolithic group. Even for other features. Could you come up with a list of features that everyone agrees on that they want -- even amongst Presto users? I doubt that. There are a range of different interests -- among people who love Presto, and those who favor the Blink engine, on this and even on other issues.And I have never said that everyone who wants features a la Presto is ranting. Most people in the forum, who favor Presto-like features, and those who don't do not rant, or flame-bait, insult others, or even the Opera company. It's generally a great group of forum-goers, who treat each other with decency and respect. So we differ on some opinions. How boring the world would be if we all agreed. And without essential civility, the forum moves in the direction of worthless. However, it's time on some issues to smell the coffee brewing (hmmmm, I'm worthless in the morning before I've had my few cups;))) -- to face the fact of Opera's change to a Blink engine, that is designed to make use of extensions for full and complete functioning. Some may want Opera to go back to Presto, but I think it's delusive, in my humble opinion, to be so out of touch with the reality of the situation.
And when posts become totally repetitive -- the same issue or issues raised over and over again -- it can have the untoward effect of choking/stifling the forum. Going back a decade or more -- my presence here is almost ten years -- the forum has been a huge strength of Opera, where people helped each other, in making the browser work for them -- at least as much so as was possible. That was the essential function that was carried out,. It was the best browser forum on the internet. If it's lost in fighting and dissension, it is a major loss.
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prometheus-za last edited by
You speak for yourself, prometheus-za. What is this "us."
You haven't been elected to represent others. Not every Presto person favors Opera providing default search engines that are not safe. You do. Some others may well not. This is no monolithic group. Even for other features. Could you come up with a list of features that everyone agrees on that they want -- even amongst Presto users? I doubt that. There are a range of different interests -- among people who love Presto, and those who favor the Blink engine, on this and even on other issues.
I speak for the vast number of users who have added their own voice on the forums. They speak for themselves as well. Neither have you been elected to represent others in deciding what the browser should be. The issue has never been Presto vs Blink. Opera has had many engines before and the users and those who leave it has never been decided on an engine but on features. You don't seem to realise that the two are separate issues.And I have never said that everyone who wants features a la Presto is ranting. Most people in the forum, who favor Presto-like features, and those who don't do not rant, or flame-bait, insult others, or even the Opera company. It's generally a great group of forum-goers, who treat each other with decency and respect. So we differ on some opinions. How boring the world would be if we all agreed. And without essential civility, the forum moves in the direction of worthless. However, it's time on some issues to smell the coffee brewing (hmmmm, I'm worthless in the morning before I've had my few cups;))) -- to face the fact of Opera's change to a Blink engine, that is designed to make use of extensions for full and complete functioning. Some may want Opera to go back to Presto, but I think it's delusive, in my humble opinion, to be so out of touch with the reality of the situation.
Smell the coffee on what? Opera has moved on to Blink, so what? They have however been mainly silent on their intent on the other issues. There's also no such thing as extensions that provide "full and complete functioning." The two concepts together is an oxymoron, at least in the way Opera implements it.And when posts become totally repetitive -- the same issue or issues raised over and over again -- it can have the untoward effect of choking/stifling the forum. Going back a decade or more -- my presence here is almost ten years -- the forum has been a huge strength of Opera, where people helped each other, in making the browser work for them -- at least as much so as was possible. That was the essential function that was carried out,. It was the best browser forum on the internet. If it's lost in fighting and dissension, it is a major loss.
So you admit that there are many people posting the same issues. If that's the case it surely mustn't be hard to see that there's a real problem. Yes as a long time Opera user I know the forum has been a great place of people helping one another. That is no longer the case because the core functionality for that is gone. It's stay with the old browser or lose the functionality. The loss as with any software will be decided by what the developer does and not the community. -
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prometheus--za
In my view, you speak solely for yourself. All of this "we" and you speak for the "vast majority of users."
Now please. Who took a public opinion survey, and who elected you as the Voice? Now I don't purport to speak for others. Only for myself. If you agree with me, well fine. And if you don't, that's fine too. I believe in the importance of the individual. There can be a thousand voices saying X, and one individual saying Y, and that individual voice is still important. Sometimes, the individual voice is the only one right against the great hullabaloo of the majority. And of course, I can be wrong too. Though I don't think liking Opera 22 is a question of right or wrong. It is a matter of taste.Now I didn't say extensions provide full and complete functioning. They complement the native browser. If people are posting the same subject often, no way does that mean there's a real problem. Why, what's the real problem? That the New Opera is significantly faster, can access sites better, has access to a huge range of extensions that the Old Opera never had before. Or is the significantly better Speed Dial (with folders) a problem? No way! Let me shout it from the rooftops. It's the best Speed Dial on the planet. Look I understand where you're coming from too. And that you can argue the other side -- that there is another side. We're just people with two different perspectives. There's no right or wrong to that. Now in part, people are posting the same subjects in the forum over and over, because this forum search engine is awful.
As for subject issue, I for one -- and I speak for no one but myself -- would like Opera to not permit additional default search engines for the Opera address bar, if they see it as a significant danger to the user, particularly because the work-around of one measly letter or maybe two in front of a search is minimal. But I do respect that you have a different view. If Opera did permit additional default search engines (even though they thought there was a significant user risk with them), they'd have a large responsibility to educate the users on why in most cases it would be safer not to use them. I fear many casual users would not pay attention though, and might be innocently hurt "big-time" through malware or viruses. Not everyone is as sophisticated as you may be on making the choice.
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prometheus-za last edited by
prometheus--za
In my view, you speak solely for yourself. All of this "we" and you speak for the "vast majority of users." Now please. Who took a public opinion survey, and who elected you as the Voice? Now I don't purport to speak for others. Only for myself. If you agree with me, well fine. And if you don't, that's fine too. I believe in the importance of the individual. There can be a thousand voices saying X, and one individual saying Y, and that individual voice is still important. Sometimes, the individual voice is the only one right against the great hullabaloo of the majority. And of course, I can be wrong too. Though I don't think liking Opera 22 is a question of right or wrong. It is a matter of taste.
Yes, in your view. You haven't been paying attention to the topics on the forum or you just wish to ignore it. I will say it again, I speak for the majority of users who HAVE ALSO SPOKEN FOR THEMSELVES. It's the last bit you seem to be ignoring. I am expressing the very same sentiment that others have.We don't need a public opinion survey when the opinions are already all over this forum and you just have to look at them. Public opinion is also reflected in the browser stats which you still seem to ignore. In case you have forgotten, Opera has lost almost a third of its market share since Opera Next. Of the remaining share almost half are Opera Mini users and the remaining desktop users is split almost 50/50 between Opera 12 and Opera Next. That alone should be enough to tell you what public opinion is.
Now I didn't say extensions provide full and complete functioning. They complement the native browser. If people are posting the same subject often, no way does that mean there's a real problem. Why, what's the real problem? That the New Opera is significantly faster, can access sites better, has access to a huge range of extensions that the Old Opera never had before. Or is the significantly better Speed Dial (with folders) a problem? No way! Let me shout it from the rooftops. It's the best Speed Dial on the planet. Look I understand where you're coming from too. And that you can argue the other side -- that there is another side. We're just people with two different perspectives. There's no right or wrong to that. Now in part, people are posting the same subjects in the forum over and over, because this forum search engine is awful.
And people get the same responses over and over, that there's no solution other than sticking with Opera 12. That together with the other issues that you ignore indicates there's a real problem. You can continue shouting the speed dial (ironically a feature) from the rooftops. You don't seem to understand that for those of us that don't use it it's irrelevant how good it is. You seem to be under the wrong impression here that it's somehow the featurelessness of Next that makes it faster. It's not, so using it as a basis against features is a non-sequitur. Rightly there are different opinions. It's also clear that accommodating a minority view inconveniences a vast number of people while the opposite is not even remotely the case.As for subject issue, I for one -- and I speak for no one but myself -- would like Opera to not permit additional default search engines for the Opera address bar, if they see it as a significant danger to the user, particularly because the work-around of one measly letter or maybe two in front of a search is minimal. But I do respect that you have a different view. If Opera did permit additional default search engines (even though they thought there was a significant user risk with them), they'd have a large responsibility to educate the users on why in most cases it would be safer not to use them. I fear many casual users would not pay attention though, and might be innocently hurt "big-time" through malware or viruses. Not everyone is as sophisticated as you may be on making the choice.
It's not my opinion but logic. For hopefully a final time here, SOPHISTICATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. It's not Opera's prerogative to play nanny if security is the issue but as has been pointed out there are much better ways to deal with browser jacking if it is. It's not an inconvenience to anybody to add a checkbox to allow changing the default search engine. -
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