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Disabling auto updates, saving certificates, displaying full url and grouping tabs?

  • It's never in the same folder location after an update since it install itself in a folder named after the version number inside the opera install folder.

    The previous version was located at:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.82\opera_autoupdate.exe

    And the latest one is at:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.91\opera_autoupdate.exe

    The fastest way to do it, other than having the ability to check for updates from inside opera, is to launch a different shortcut to start opera without the disable update switch since the launcher file is located directly in the opera install folder and never change location so you only have to set everything up once. I put such a shortcut on my desktop and I use one with the switch pinned to the taskbar.

    Edit: I didn't intend to add so many empty lines, but the forum wouldn't let me skip to the next line without doing this. It really doesn't make life easy if you don't want to always write a wall of text and have clear separations.

  • Oh well, it was an idea . . . 🙂 When they change file names, they make it harder. I guess it depends that how much you want to stop automatic updates. And then there was Christoph 142's suggestion, "You can also use the --disable-update command line switch." I don't understand that (I'm low-tech), or how hard it is.

  • Just open Opera via a link.
    Target: "path/to/Opera.exe" --disable-update.
    opera:about will then tell you "Update checker is disabled"

  • You make a shortcut, right-click it, go in properties and add the --disable-update at the end of the the target field which would look like this:

    "C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\launcher.exe" --disable-update

    It's really easy when you know how these things work, but not so much when you don't.

    That's what I'm using as we speak and what I was talking about in the paragraph before the edit in my previous post and the first paragraph in the one before that.

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

    Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself. There may be a hundred legitimate reasons why a user wants/needs to block updating, but there are dozens of ways around his blocking unless it's done within the program itself, by design. Probably the most assured method of blocking Blink Opera currently is to change the updater file extension to .xxx or something similar... but even that has some risks attached (a repair re-install, for example).

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

    Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself.
    That is my complaint too.

    The same applies to the command line override of the cache location. It can be a serious issue for those who have SSD drives not being able to fully control cache location or size.

  • In my case, in my inquiry in that other thread yesterday, I was referring to an OFFICIAL method of disabling the Auto Update thing. You know ... as in perhaps a hidden button or link that I just wasn't seeing.

    I've never been into Frankensteinizing, McGuyvering or Shade Tree Mechanic-ing Opera or any other App into doing something that it's not doing as per the official functionality of the finished product.

    Using one of the various methods mentioned would just be a Band-Aid. Not practical. I periodically close Opera and then bring it back up if I'm having problems with sluggishness, Etc. If I had to ... say --- perform that modification on the Opera Shortcut EVERY TIME that I bring up Opera, that would get old and seriously irritating very quickly.

  • It is seriously very ridiculous and warped thinking to go the route of forcing Auto Update on Users like that. Many times with Apps, we find a version that we really like and is working great for us on OUR system and we want to stay with that version. Why should we be forced to take on another newer version that might then have introduced problems and / or that now won't work as great on OUR system as the old version?

  • You only have to perform the modification on the opera shortcut once, it will stay there and it is an official method since it's the opera developers that implemented this command line switch.

    With that said, it's not an ideal fix and I seriously hope the opera devs will reconsider such a ridiculous behavior in future upgrades.

  • Oh Okay. Then I MIGHT decide to give the Shortcut thing a try. But, it'll be after I finish recreating my bookmarks so that I can then back them up. This way if something goes seriously wrong and the entire Opera is FUBARed and I have to reinstall it, I don't lose my bookmarks.

    Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?

    Question: Okay, so far from what I can tell over in the About Opera page, I still have the same Opera 20.0.1387.91 that I installed. So that would mean that since when I installed it, which was just recently ... there haven't been any updates installed? Or is that not necessarily correct? Anyway, when there ARE updates ... is the current version just tweaked and has the new changes incorporated? Or does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded and installed?

    I mean, an update wouldn't consist of downloading the whole shebang of 33 Meg or whatever of a new version of Opera, does it? That would not work for me.

  • Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?
    Not sure if Chrome does it the same way. Silent AU is sth. Opera developed just now by themselves.

    does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded[?]
    No, Opera started to offer differential updates when they introduced the silent AU. So it only downloads a small package and alters your files accordingly.

  • If the version hasn't changed, then yes, it means there haven't been any updates installed.

    I'm pretty sure it does download/re-install the whole shebang(which is the safest thing to do to avoid update problems) since I have a folder named after the previous version with all the same files(at first glance) as the folder with the new version name.

    So it seem to also keep a backup of the previous version in case things go wrong(but that means it also use pretty much double the disk space).

    Or I guess it makes a copy of the whole files and then only download what's necessary to patch them in the new folder if what christoph142 says is accurate.

  • Well, Silent AU is more like Sneaky AU ... Unauthorized, undesired AU. THAT's what it is.

    I sure hope it is as you say and only small differential updates are downloaded and installed, Christoph. I guess that would be like my avast Anti-Virus does with the daily Virus Definitions Updates. That wouldn't be too bad. I'd still VERY much prefer the option to disable Auto Updates though.

    Samkook, I agree that by all accounts, downloading and installing the whole shebang would be the safest way to do things to avoid update problems. But, by the same token, it should be left up to us to decide when WE want to pull the trigger and introduce the new version into our system.

    For example: When new versions of avast Anti-Virus come out, I prefer to wait, to hold off on upgrading to the new version. I like to first read the chatter on the avast forums regarding whether it's a very good, stable and virtually problem free version ... or whether it is a problematic nightmare or just exactly what. I wouldn't care to have avast automatically shove it's new versions down my throat 'silently'.

    And so here with Opera 20, the having it take place 'silently' doesn't make the Auto Updates any more desirable or worry free. Even Firefox gives an option if I saw that correctly the other day.

  • It is very undesirable, there's no question about it and not having the option to disable such a behavior is totally unheard of to me, you don't have to search which software doesn't give you such option.

    It might be desirable for the average user to always have an up-to-date version since they are often afraid or forget to upgrade and it will bring security issues, but the fact that it is completely silent will also make identifying problems even more difficult when they eventually occur since they won't know it's been updating all along and they'll think the problem appeared out of nowhere for no reason which will make finding the cause when they ask on this forum even harder than usual to pinpoint since they can't tell us they've upgraded recently or if they skipped a few updates because they didn't open their browser on a regular basis.

  • Something more to be looked at on disabling auto--updates. Also is it limited to opera 15.? Don't know.

  • Hmmm??? If someone can confirm that that UpdateFreezer really works and without any side effects ... and without any shady activity behind the scenes, that could be the ticket, Lem.

  • By looking at the description, all it does is rename the opera_autoupdate.exe which was already discussed in here, but it also set the next update time for extensions very far in the future inside the preferences file which is nice to know how to do and is still there in v20.

    It also suggest that the extensions also get updated silently.

  • I only wish I had a dollar for every software update/patch that broke something on users' systems. Over the many years I've used computers (from the very earliest days), I've seen one program after another get updated and break somebody's system... DOS, Windows, AVs, browsers (of all kinds), drivers, and apps of every description. In every single case, the software creators were "absolutely, positively" certain their updates were thoroughly tested to be OK before issuing them - and in every case where problems occurred, it was eventually found there was something the creators had overlooked in the update that collided and broke something in certain system configurations. In most cases, updates/patches were fairly quickly re-issued with "fixes" for the user-encountered problems - but that is small comfort to the users who had to repair/rebuild/restore their messed up software after the crashes. And I simply cannot believe Opera ASA will suddenly, magically break that universal pattern.

    "Bold" users employ auto-update for every piece of software on their systems. "Old" (experienced) users employ manual updates for virtually all their software, only applying them if the early-adopters encounter no problems. Note: there are no both "bold" and "old" users. Silent/auto-updating is a recipe for eventual user disaster, the only questions being when and how a problem will hit. That is what turns "bold" users into "old" users - and it's called 'wisdom gained by experience'. Opera seriously needs to rethink not putting an auto-update disable option into Blink Opera, if only in the Flags section.

  • I certainly think the option ought to be with the user. If one has the option, I can think there are two views on whether to use auto-update. Quite frankly, I just have no time to manually deal with automatic updates across the board (and if I tried to (if I added this additional work to my life) I think I'd have a breakdown :). Further, even if I see the update sitting in my inbox (for my decision on installation or not), it would be hard for me to have any idea whether it is harmful or not. In most cases, if I have the choice, I will, therefore, hell be damned, auto-update. (And I believe, probably 95 percent or more of users would choose that course). I do it with Windows, with my browsers and with extensions. And I don't feel that bad about it. I choose to let go a little bit. The work and agony of trying to control every nickel and dime, isn't worth in value what I will get in return. I have on occasion been burned 🙂 But usually, there's a way back from the abyss even then. Reinstalling a program, system restores, etc.

    A few times in the past though, I have chosen against automatic updates.. For instance there was an Opera Presto browser I really liked. Opera forced an install -- new version -- on me I didn't like. I had to hunt to find the old browser, and then I restored it, and chose no updates. I also once needed an earlier version of Flash because the latest version was preventing Dragon Naturally Speaking from working on my computer, so I prevented updates there. I didn't want to be automatically updated into Dragon not working again. On my Ipad, I had an app that was letting me read supposedly premium articles at a new site. Now, haha, I wanted to find out how to prevents updates to save the wonderful feature (but I wasn't quick enough to solve that problem and got auto-updated out of the feature. So I do understand why some people might opt for no automatic updates, and others might want to have the ability on a case by case basis (as I have occasionally done) to opt out.