Disabling auto updates, saving certificates, displaying full url and grouping tabs?
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samkook last edited by
With the command line switch, I can simply disable it in the main shortcut I use and create a second one to enable the updates so it would be simpler than the bat file and has more chance to still work if opera change the update behavior, thanks.
As for keybreeze, I doubt you can associate a file to a shortcut without specifying the absolute path(which I would have to redo for every update so it pretty much defeat the purpose) and even if it could, opera also keep the previous version(as a backup I assume, in case things go wrong with the update) so it wouldn't know which of the two is the right one.
If it could show both, then I would have to pick the right one and rename it manually which is more work than needed for such a simple task.
Plus, I would have to let the software index my computer all the time from what I'm understanding and that's not something I like to have done(I disable windows search engine to avoid just that since I almost need to search for a file). -
lem729 last edited by
When there's an update, the update file would very likely be in the same folder location. All you need to do is update, and check the shortcut in less than five seconds with ";+code"). If the file instantly comes up, make the change to it you want (again five seconds, maybe ten or fifteen:)) and you're set till the next update. If the file doesn't come up, you'd have to locate it again, which can be done very quickly. But again, it's likely the file location would be the same. Since you can instantly access the file through Keybreeze, fixing the "auto update" issue with each update could done in twenty seconds.
And you're doing the updates manually, so when you do the update, you take a few seconds, or a tad more, not much, to fix the file. -
samkook last edited by
It's never in the same folder location after an update since it install itself in a folder named after the version number inside the opera install folder.
The previous version was located at:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.82\opera_autoupdate.exe
And the latest one is at:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.91\opera_autoupdate.exe
The fastest way to do it, other than having the ability to check for updates from inside opera, is to launch a different shortcut to start opera without the disable update switch since the launcher file is located directly in the opera install folder and never change location so you only have to set everything up once. I put such a shortcut on my desktop and I use one with the switch pinned to the taskbar.
Edit: I didn't intend to add so many empty lines, but the forum wouldn't let me skip to the next line without doing this. It really doesn't make life easy if you don't want to always write a wall of text and have clear separations.
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lem729 last edited by
Oh well, it was an idea . . .
When they change file names, they make it harder. I guess it depends that how much you want to stop automatic updates. And then there was Christoph 142's suggestion, "You can also use the --disable-update command line switch." I don't understand that (I'm low-tech), or how hard it is. -
christoph142 last edited by
Just open Opera via a link.
Target: "path/to/Opera.exe" --disable-update.
opera:about will then tell you "Update checker is disabled" -
samkook last edited by
You make a shortcut, right-click it, go in properties and add the --disable-update at the end of the the target field which would look like this:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\launcher.exe" --disable-update
It's really easy when you know how these things work, but not so much when you don't.
That's what I'm using as we speak and what I was talking about in the paragraph before the edit in my previous post and the first paragraph in the one before that.
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berng last edited by
The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.
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blackbird71 last edited byThe problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.
Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself. There may be a hundred legitimate reasons why a user wants/needs to block updating, but there are dozens of ways around his blocking unless it's done within the program itself, by design. Probably the most assured method of blocking Blink Opera currently is to change the updater file extension to .xxx or something similar... but even that has some risks attached (a repair re-install, for example).
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berng last edited by
The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.
Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself.
That is my complaint too.The same applies to the command line override of the cache location. It can be a serious issue for those who have SSD drives not being able to fully control cache location or size.
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suntana last edited by
In my case, in my inquiry in that other thread yesterday, I was referring to an OFFICIAL method of disabling the Auto Update thing. You know ... as in perhaps a hidden button or link that I just wasn't seeing.
I've never been into Frankensteinizing, McGuyvering or Shade Tree Mechanic-ing Opera or any other App into doing something that it's not doing as per the official functionality of the finished product.
Using one of the various methods mentioned would just be a Band-Aid. Not practical. I periodically close Opera and then bring it back up if I'm having problems with sluggishness, Etc. If I had to ... say --- perform that modification on the Opera Shortcut EVERY TIME that I bring up Opera, that would get old and seriously irritating very quickly.
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suntana last edited by
It is seriously very ridiculous and warped thinking to go the route of forcing Auto Update on Users like that. Many times with Apps, we find a version that we really like and is working great for us on OUR system and we want to stay with that version. Why should we be forced to take on another newer version that might then have introduced problems and / or that now won't work as great on OUR system as the old version?
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samkook last edited by
You only have to perform the modification on the opera shortcut once, it will stay there and it is an official method since it's the opera developers that implemented this command line switch.
With that said, it's not an ideal fix and I seriously hope the opera devs will reconsider such a ridiculous behavior in future upgrades.
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suntana last edited by
Oh Okay. Then I MIGHT decide to give the Shortcut thing a try. But, it'll be after I finish recreating my bookmarks so that I can then back them up. This way if something goes seriously wrong and the entire Opera is FUBARed and I have to reinstall it, I don't lose my bookmarks.
Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?
Question: Okay, so far from what I can tell over in the About Opera page, I still have the same Opera 20.0.1387.91 that I installed. So that would mean that since when I installed it, which was just recently ... there haven't been any updates installed? Or is that not necessarily correct? Anyway, when there ARE updates ... is the current version just tweaked and has the new changes incorporated? Or does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded and installed?
I mean, an update wouldn't consist of downloading the whole shebang of 33 Meg or whatever of a new version of Opera, does it? That would not work for me.
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christoph142 last edited by
Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?
Not sure if Chrome does it the same way. Silent AU is sth. Opera developed just now by themselves.does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded[?]
No, Opera started to offer differential updates when they introduced the silent AU. So it only downloads a small package and alters your files accordingly. -
samkook last edited by
If the version hasn't changed, then yes, it means there haven't been any updates installed.
I'm pretty sure it does download/re-install the whole shebang(which is the safest thing to do to avoid update problems) since I have a folder named after the previous version with all the same files(at first glance) as the folder with the new version name.
So it seem to also keep a backup of the previous version in case things go wrong(but that means it also use pretty much double the disk space).
Or I guess it makes a copy of the whole files and then only download what's necessary to patch them in the new folder if what christoph142 says is accurate.
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suntana last edited by
Well, Silent AU is more like Sneaky AU ... Unauthorized, undesired AU. THAT's what it is.
I sure hope it is as you say and only small differential updates are downloaded and installed, Christoph. I guess that would be like my avast Anti-Virus does with the daily Virus Definitions Updates. That wouldn't be too bad. I'd still VERY much prefer the option to disable Auto Updates though.
Samkook, I agree that by all accounts, downloading and installing the whole shebang would be the safest way to do things to avoid update problems. But, by the same token, it should be left up to us to decide when WE want to pull the trigger and introduce the new version into our system.
For example: When new versions of avast Anti-Virus come out, I prefer to wait, to hold off on upgrading to the new version. I like to first read the chatter on the avast forums regarding whether it's a very good, stable and virtually problem free version ... or whether it is a problematic nightmare or just exactly what. I wouldn't care to have avast automatically shove it's new versions down my throat 'silently'.
And so here with Opera 20, the having it take place 'silently' doesn't make the Auto Updates any more desirable or worry free. Even Firefox gives an option if I saw that correctly the other day.
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samkook last edited by
It is very undesirable, there's no question about it and not having the option to disable such a behavior is totally unheard of to me, you don't have to search which software doesn't give you such option.
It might be desirable for the average user to always have an up-to-date version since they are often afraid or forget to upgrade and it will bring security issues, but the fact that it is completely silent will also make identifying problems even more difficult when they eventually occur since they won't know it's been updating all along and they'll think the problem appeared out of nowhere for no reason which will make finding the cause when they ask on this forum even harder than usual to pinpoint since they can't tell us they've upgraded recently or if they skipped a few updates because they didn't open their browser on a regular basis.
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lem729 last edited by
Something more to be looked at on disabling auto--updates. Also is it limited to opera 15.? Don't know.
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suntana last edited by
Hmmm??? If someone can confirm that that UpdateFreezer really works and without any side effects ... and without any shady activity behind the scenes, that could be the ticket, Lem.
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samkook last edited by
By looking at the description, all it does is rename the opera_autoupdate.exe which was already discussed in here, but it also set the next update time for extensions very far in the future inside the preferences file which is nice to know how to do and is still there in v20.
It also suggest that the extensions also get updated silently.
