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Disabling auto updates, saving certificates, displaying full url and grouping tabs?

  • Well, we can't afford to sweat the little things. Like refreshing pages to edit. 😉 I know you were being light there. Now you did talk about wanting a way to group tabs in your initial post, and I find pinning is definitely a way of grouping. And if one of the extensions handles it well, I thought, maybe it might accomplish, if not what you want, then at least something that may be useful to you. Oh well. I hope you find something that will help in your closer look at the situation, If not now, well, surely developers will be refining their extensions . . . And so, maybe next month. One can surely hope 😉

  • I guess you're kind of right about pinning since it does save space in the tab bar and group them together, but you're limited to 1 "group" at the beginning of the tab bar.

    For the auto-update, renaming the "opera_autoupdate.exe" file works, but you have to rename it back when you want to update and since it's located in a folder with the version in the name, it complicates things a bit if I don't want to have to do this manually every time I want to update.
    I guess I'll have to make a bat file to read the install log to be able to rename the file and enable/disable auto-updates.

    I just went through all the results that looked remotely promising for "tab group" or "stack" in both chrome and opera extension and I sadly haven't found anything that doesn't require a popup window to manage groups or that does it automatically(which is a big no-no). It's so discouraging, especially when there's so many of them.

    I looked at "Tabs Outliner" in a bit more detail and it looks pretty good as a bookmark replacement though. I'll probably give it a try if I start using the new opera version more one day.

    You're right, one can always hope, even if they don't make this easy for us who don't like what the majority of users seem to want.

  • You can also use the --disable-update command line switch to stop Opera from checking for updates.
    Not sure if this is easier though...

  • @samkook

    On the auto-update issue, there's a super program -- free -- if you have Windows (I'm using Windows 7), now called, Keybreeze.

    http://www.keybreeze.com/

    It's a Command line launch program For any location (file) in your computer you can type a letter, letters or a word. Then when you need the file, just type a ; (semi-colon) to trigger this program, and then the code (the letter, letters, or word. The file buried in the computer pops up for your editing pleasure. As long as you write down or otherwise remember what code you assigned to this particular file, you can retrieve the file instantly. For this particular file, maybe you make the code , maybe "a" (if i's not being used) or "auto" or "auto 1". So retrieving the file to change it can almost be as easy as a toggle switch. Type ";a" and you have the file. Or ""auto", Otherwise said, it's a "breeze." As for the "; " trigger , you can change it to something else. if you keep the ";" and are typing and want to get a real ";" in a memo you are typing, just press very quickly after the ";" the enter key, and you get the typed ";" instead of the file you assigned the code to.

    I've used this program for years. So with it, you ought to have no problem keeping track of and changing that auto-update file whenever you need to.

  • With the command line switch, I can simply disable it in the main shortcut I use and create a second one to enable the updates so it would be simpler than the bat file and has more chance to still work if opera change the update behavior, thanks.

    As for keybreeze, I doubt you can associate a file to a shortcut without specifying the absolute path(which I would have to redo for every update so it pretty much defeat the purpose) and even if it could, opera also keep the previous version(as a backup I assume, in case things go wrong with the update) so it wouldn't know which of the two is the right one.
    If it could show both, then I would have to pick the right one and rename it manually which is more work than needed for such a simple task.
    Plus, I would have to let the software index my computer all the time from what I'm understanding and that's not something I like to have done(I disable windows search engine to avoid just that since I almost need to search for a file).

  • When there's an update, the update file would very likely be in the same folder location. All you need to do is update, and check the shortcut in less than five seconds with ";+code"). If the file instantly comes up, make the change to it you want (again five seconds, maybe ten or fifteen:)) and you're set till the next update. If the file doesn't come up, you'd have to locate it again, which can be done very quickly. But again, it's likely the file location would be the same. Since you can instantly access the file through Keybreeze, fixing the "auto update" issue with each update could done in twenty seconds. 🙂 And you're doing the updates manually, so when you do the update, you take a few seconds, or a tad more, not much, to fix the file.

  • It's never in the same folder location after an update since it install itself in a folder named after the version number inside the opera install folder.

    The previous version was located at:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.82\opera_autoupdate.exe

    And the latest one is at:

    C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\20.0.1387.91\opera_autoupdate.exe

    The fastest way to do it, other than having the ability to check for updates from inside opera, is to launch a different shortcut to start opera without the disable update switch since the launcher file is located directly in the opera install folder and never change location so you only have to set everything up once. I put such a shortcut on my desktop and I use one with the switch pinned to the taskbar.

    Edit: I didn't intend to add so many empty lines, but the forum wouldn't let me skip to the next line without doing this. It really doesn't make life easy if you don't want to always write a wall of text and have clear separations.

  • Oh well, it was an idea . . . 🙂 When they change file names, they make it harder. I guess it depends that how much you want to stop automatic updates. And then there was Christoph 142's suggestion, "You can also use the --disable-update command line switch." I don't understand that (I'm low-tech), or how hard it is.

  • Just open Opera via a link.
    Target: "path/to/Opera.exe" --disable-update.
    opera:about will then tell you "Update checker is disabled"

  • You make a shortcut, right-click it, go in properties and add the --disable-update at the end of the the target field which would look like this:

    "C:\Program Files (x86)\Opera\launcher.exe" --disable-update

    It's really easy when you know how these things work, but not so much when you don't.

    That's what I'm using as we speak and what I was talking about in the paragraph before the edit in my previous post and the first paragraph in the one before that.

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

    Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself. There may be a hundred legitimate reasons why a user wants/needs to block updating, but there are dozens of ways around his blocking unless it's done within the program itself, by design. Probably the most assured method of blocking Blink Opera currently is to change the updater file extension to .xxx or something similar... but even that has some risks attached (a repair re-install, for example).

  • The problem with the disable option from a shortcut is that this option only works when using the shortcut. If you open Opera from an email web link or link form another program (such as Keypass)then update will be active.

    Which is precisely the reason why I am so opposed to auto-updating schemes that can't be turned off by a user from within a program itself.
    That is my complaint too.

    The same applies to the command line override of the cache location. It can be a serious issue for those who have SSD drives not being able to fully control cache location or size.

  • In my case, in my inquiry in that other thread yesterday, I was referring to an OFFICIAL method of disabling the Auto Update thing. You know ... as in perhaps a hidden button or link that I just wasn't seeing.

    I've never been into Frankensteinizing, McGuyvering or Shade Tree Mechanic-ing Opera or any other App into doing something that it's not doing as per the official functionality of the finished product.

    Using one of the various methods mentioned would just be a Band-Aid. Not practical. I periodically close Opera and then bring it back up if I'm having problems with sluggishness, Etc. If I had to ... say --- perform that modification on the Opera Shortcut EVERY TIME that I bring up Opera, that would get old and seriously irritating very quickly.

  • It is seriously very ridiculous and warped thinking to go the route of forcing Auto Update on Users like that. Many times with Apps, we find a version that we really like and is working great for us on OUR system and we want to stay with that version. Why should we be forced to take on another newer version that might then have introduced problems and / or that now won't work as great on OUR system as the old version?

  • You only have to perform the modification on the opera shortcut once, it will stay there and it is an official method since it's the opera developers that implemented this command line switch.

    With that said, it's not an ideal fix and I seriously hope the opera devs will reconsider such a ridiculous behavior in future upgrades.

  • Oh Okay. Then I MIGHT decide to give the Shortcut thing a try. But, it'll be after I finish recreating my bookmarks so that I can then back them up. This way if something goes seriously wrong and the entire Opera is FUBARed and I have to reinstall it, I don't lose my bookmarks.

    Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?

    Question: Okay, so far from what I can tell over in the About Opera page, I still have the same Opera 20.0.1387.91 that I installed. So that would mean that since when I installed it, which was just recently ... there haven't been any updates installed? Or is that not necessarily correct? Anyway, when there ARE updates ... is the current version just tweaked and has the new changes incorporated? Or does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded and installed?

    I mean, an update wouldn't consist of downloading the whole shebang of 33 Meg or whatever of a new version of Opera, does it? That would not work for me.

  • Has Chrome always had this Auto Update setup or is it something that is only incorporated into Opera 20?
    Not sure if Chrome does it the same way. Silent AU is sth. Opera developed just now by themselves.

    does an update mean that the ENTIRE new version of Opera gets downloaded[?]
    No, Opera started to offer differential updates when they introduced the silent AU. So it only downloads a small package and alters your files accordingly.

  • If the version hasn't changed, then yes, it means there haven't been any updates installed.

    I'm pretty sure it does download/re-install the whole shebang(which is the safest thing to do to avoid update problems) since I have a folder named after the previous version with all the same files(at first glance) as the folder with the new version name.

    So it seem to also keep a backup of the previous version in case things go wrong(but that means it also use pretty much double the disk space).

    Or I guess it makes a copy of the whole files and then only download what's necessary to patch them in the new folder if what christoph142 says is accurate.

  • Well, Silent AU is more like Sneaky AU ... Unauthorized, undesired AU. THAT's what it is.

    I sure hope it is as you say and only small differential updates are downloaded and installed, Christoph. I guess that would be like my avast Anti-Virus does with the daily Virus Definitions Updates. That wouldn't be too bad. I'd still VERY much prefer the option to disable Auto Updates though.

    Samkook, I agree that by all accounts, downloading and installing the whole shebang would be the safest way to do things to avoid update problems. But, by the same token, it should be left up to us to decide when WE want to pull the trigger and introduce the new version into our system.

    For example: When new versions of avast Anti-Virus come out, I prefer to wait, to hold off on upgrading to the new version. I like to first read the chatter on the avast forums regarding whether it's a very good, stable and virtually problem free version ... or whether it is a problematic nightmare or just exactly what. I wouldn't care to have avast automatically shove it's new versions down my throat 'silently'.

    And so here with Opera 20, the having it take place 'silently' doesn't make the Auto Updates any more desirable or worry free. Even Firefox gives an option if I saw that correctly the other day.

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