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Opera 20 - Another unhappy loyal supporter

  • ...web developers don't seem to care about conforming to the HTML4/5 specifications, and only care if it works in the top browsers.
    Be careful with your paintbrush. The trim isn't always the same colour as the wall.
    Some developers (myself, for one) DO care, and WILL do their best to make sure the websites they create will work on ALL browsers, as much as possible. In fact, for many years there was one little thing that wouldn't work in Opera, even though it worked in all other browsers. I refused to use that one little thing until it worked in Opera, and it took many years for that to happen.

    Of course, there are exceptions to everything, but in general, it does feel like most developers only care if their website works on the big three (IE, FF and GC). In fact, many of the "problems" with compatibility that PrOpera runs into is caused by coding a website around the quirks of the other browsers, rather than conforming to web standards and making the browsers conform to them (as Opera always tried to do). Ironically, it was Opera's insistence on web standards that led to it being shunned by many websites.

  • MDI interface or GTFO.

    I want a tab close button in the same place for every tab.

    I want "tabs" on the bottom.

    I want new tabs to open at the end of the list, not next to the current tab.

    I want an image/cached/no images button.

    I want new tab to be CTRL+N not CTRL+T

    And I want it without a bunch of kludgy addons all over the place (although the MDI interface is not doable no matter what in Opera currently).

    Opera >12.16 is a total fail for me. I'm using 12.16 it still, and firefox kludged to act like my config of Opera when sites are incompatible. With time I'm spending more time in FF, and still no time in Opera. The new browser is just a complete separation from the way the old one did things, and the reason people like me were on the old one was because we liked that way (infinitely customizable!).

    What does New Opera (like New Coke) offer over Chrome except the name? Nothing IMO.

  • I'm using 12.16 it still.

    There's a security patch to 12.17 — check for updates, or download the installer.

    http://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?partner=www&par=id%3D36923%26amp;location%3D360&gaprod=opera

  • What I really do not understand is why those of us who hate Opera with Blink are considered anti-progress, old-world-advocaters and evil conservatives. I love progress. I really would love to see Opera progress, but here is what Opera Blink / Next / New engine / etc. has brought us:

    • no 64-bit version
    • simpler yet less useful bookmarks
    • NO OPERA LINK
    • no customer support from Opera
      And these lacking features are why we (or at least me) loved Opera in first place. Take these out, and it does not deserve to be called Opera any more. Also I do not see the point in making a very ill copy of Chrome with way less features. If I wanted Chrome, I would install Chrome. Which is not a browser, but a spy-software. But to have a dumb version of Chrome with a red O on it? Why would I? It makes no sense. And not because I would be against progress. I am against meaningless stuff - especially with a very reduced feature-set.
      But don't worry! No Opera developer, customer service, officer, marketing or sales person will ever read your comments. Not connected to Opera Next, but in the meantime of launching Opera Next they removed all customer support contact possibilities, help desk, Facebook send message feature, etc.
      So: we can fume as much as we like, but they do not pay attention to us. Looks like that customers are no longer important.

    I'm using Opera 20 +, and I'm trying to adapt. However, I agree with this post.. I still do not understand the point in making a practically equal to the Chrome browser, using the library Chrome extension, and virtually mandatory to use extensions for a fraction of practicality that had the Opera Presto.

    I understand that the engine is modern Blink, supported by a very rich company, and that the operating costs of the OPERA ASA fall dramatically, and you can get lending Chrome users who joined the blink.

    However, I wonder: To what extent, we are using this browser (Opera Next) is really a genuine OPERA browser? Sometimes, with the exception of speed dial, I'm using Chrome.

    I strongly hope that the OPERA modify the maximum that browser to give him the Opera style surf the internet.

  • Hi to all of here, i can say that this is first time when i am upset with opera. i use opera 21, the problem comes when is about to use extensions, there are not enough extension there and older opera12 extension wont work on opera 21. What is so frustrating is that i cant find a BBcode extension for opera 21 something similar to HotkeyBB that is available for opera 12 or BBCodeXtra that is available for firefox, i can say that when is about extension for opera is a huge disappointment. By the way if any if you know any extension similar to HotkeyBB or BBCodeXtra please post.

  • There are a lot of distinctions between Opera and Chrome, but you "already banned" don't want to hear them. You complain about a lack of control, but don't want extensions. You can't have it every which way.. The fact is extra functionality comes via extension now, unless you want Internet Explorer. There's the Opera store -- and I have a good number of those extensions -- and the Chrome store. Now I don't dislike the Chrome browser. I prefer it to Firefox at this point. It's faster, cleaner in look . . . I prefer Opera to either. It gives the benefit of the Chrome engine, without the Google direction or the Google account. It gives an unequaled Speed Dial, and other attractive features for me.

    I've never said I have issue with extensions, I use Cyberfox after all. What I've clearly stated is that I don't want to have to go to the Chrome store to get them, BIG difference. It would be better if Opera's own repository offered more instead of forcing me to rely on Google, a strange bed fellow indeed for the "the fastest and free alternative browser".

  • It would be better if Opera's own repository offered more instead of forcing me to rely on Google
    The developers of the extensions must then upload their extensions to Opera's add-ons catalog. Ask them, not Opera. Don't try to twist how reality works.

  • @lexsmenu

    I don't know the area but took a quick look at the Chrome store and saw a few things (maybe you've already seen) but if not, you might want to check them out, and see if any of them can at all help you. I've used some Chrome extensions with Opera, and generally had no problem with them. To use a Chrome extension, you need first the Opera extension, "Download Chrome Extension." https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/download-chrome-extension-9/?display=en

    There's BBCode Paste

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbcodepaste/gendnhpciglkoaccpighggnohmmogfnp?hl=en-US

    BBcode insert

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbcodeinsert/fhckbmeeagkjnabhfaindkhmofncedln?hl=en

    WysiBB - WYSIWYG BBcode editor

    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wysibb-wysiwyg-bbcode-edi/hhjndhcbbnkoopmgdlcpdbnegjkglbhh

  • lem729

    i have try them and that BBcode paste is just a copy paste tool, i can do that from notepad and bbCodeInsert might be right tool if you can create a custom BBcode, at the moment i use Auto Text Expander ( this is a tool that insert a BBCode when i type a pre-set kind of word) i still struggle to find something similar to BBcodextra or a custom text insert tool, so i don't understand this lack of extensions for opera. what i need basically is to be able to add a custom text or BBcode so when i right click, that option to be available and be able to insert

  • Sorry, lexsmenu. I didn't know if you had looked in the Chrome store, and what you are doing is not an area I know much about, so I looked for a few things that related to BB, hoping something might help. I'm hopeful more will come to the Opera store in the future. I have noticed recently a few extensions added that are new for it. So sorry you cannot find what you need right now.

  • It would be better if Opera's own repository offered more instead of forcing me to rely on Google
    The developers of the extensions must then upload their extensions to Opera's add-ons catalog. Ask them, not Opera. Don't try to twist how reality works.

    No twisting needed. Like I said, one most go to the Chrome store. That is the reality of the situation and your vailed attempts at pointing the finger isn't going to change that.

  • It would be better if Opera's own repository offered more instead of forcing me to rely on Google
    The developers of the extensions must then upload their extensions to Opera's add-ons catalog. Ask them, not Opera. Don't try to twist how reality works.

    No twisting needed. Like I said, one most go to the Chrome store. That is the reality of the situation and your vailed attempts at pointing the finger isn't going to change that.
    And your point is still reduced to nothing, applause for you!

  • No, I have a long list of Opera extensions, I like, already banned, and which I've downloaded. Don't distort things. We have the Opera Store and the Chrome Store. That's creates double possibilities. It's a PLUS.

  • It would be better if Opera's own repository offered more instead of forcing me to rely on Google
    The developers of the extensions must then upload their extensions to Opera's add-ons catalog. Ask them, not Opera. Don't try to twist how reality works.

    No twisting needed. Like I said, one most go to the Chrome store. That is the reality of the situation and your vailed attempts at pointing the finger isn't going to change that.
    And your point is still reduced to nothing, applause for you!

    By what exactly, you haven't said anything that factually counters what I've said? Seeing your spamming of other sites makes it clear just how much of a zealot you are though because once again I, like others, talk about the browser and trolls like yourself can ONLY attack the posters and not offer anything of substance in regards to the subject matter. Well done, again

    No, I have a long list of Opera extensions, I like, already banned, and which I've downloaded. Don't distort things. We have the Opera Store and the Chrome Store. That's creates double possibilities. It's a PLUS.

    I've already stated that I do not want to use the Chrome store for many reasons so that does not double my options. What I am is forced to go to the Chrome store or make due with Opera's small repository of extensions. I don't see that as a plus at all. I also don't see how such a entrenching to Google makes Opera an alternative anything

  • I know, already banned, you're a total Chrome hater, so anything related to it freaks you out. Smile. I have no problem using a Chrome extension, if it's good. i'm delighted to. And of course the Opera store is increasingly offering more extensions, some which are quite wonderful, and which I could not find in the Chrome store.. And so, the ability to use both stores can only be a greater and greater resource for the Oppera community. i think there's reason to feel excited about the state of the browser and where it's going.

  • Seeing your spamming of other sites makes it clear just how much of a zealot you are though because once again I, like others, talk about the browser and trolls like yourself can ONLY attack the posters and not offer anything of substance in regards to the subject matter.
    Saying I go off-topic talking about users instead of the browser (and with no example attached) then shouting personal attacks at me? Yeah, thanks for making sure everyone knows who is hypocrite here!

    By what exactly, you haven't said anything that factually counters what I've said? (...)
    What I am is forced to go to the Chrome store or make due with Opera's small repository of extensions. I also don't see how such a entrenching to Google makes Opera an alternative anything
    I'm sorry, I should have know you're illiterate... You can't understand the simple fact that you're relying on the Chrome Extensions catalog because the EXTENSION DEVELOPERS didn't upload their extensions to Opera's Extensions catalog.

  • I know, already banned, you're a total Chrome hater, so anything related to it freaks you out. Smile. I have no problem using a Chrome extension, if it's good. i'm delighted to. And of course the Opera store is increasingly offering more extensions, some which are quite wonderful, and which I could not find in the Chrome store.. And so, the ability to use both stores can only be a greater and greater resource for the Oppera community. i think there's reason to feel excited about the state of the browser and where it's going.

    Agreed, for some, but not all. That's where the issue for Presto users and indeed other browser users comes into place because there are a good many people out their who want to wash their hands of anything Google.

    Time will tell but right now and at the pace Opera is moving, a positive future experience with me and this iteration is hard to see

  • You're a Cyberfox user. Enjoy your browser. Have a nice day!

  • Seeing your spamming of other sites makes it clear just how much of a zealot you are though because once again I, like others, talk about the browser and trolls like yourself can ONLY attack the posters and not offer anything of substance in regards to the subject matter.
    Saying I go off-topic talking about users instead of the browser (and with no example attached) then shouting personal attacks at me? Yeah, thanks for making sure everyone knows who is hypocrite here!
    By what exactly, you haven't said anything that factually counters what I've said? (...)
    What I am is forced to go to the Chrome store or make due with Opera's small repository of extensions. I also don't see how such a entrenching to Google makes Opera an alternative anything
    I'm sorry, I should have know you're illiterate... You can't understand the simply fact that you're relying on the Chrome Extensions catalog because the EXTENSION DEVELOPERS didn't upload their extensions to Opera's Extensions catalog.

    Defending myself from your attacks does not make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make you literate, *simple not simply

    and one still must go to the Chrome store regardless of the reasoning, which was the point you haven't and can't dispute. It's why of course you NEED to resort to petty taunts and yet I'm the hijacker. smh

  • You're a Cyberfox user. Enjoy your browser. Have a nice day!

    yep, a former and loooong time Opera user as well.

    If alienating a good many of the current user base in hopes of procuring a new one is the approach, good luck with that but there really should be no surprise with any backlash either

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