Opera 12 Vs. Opera Next Functionality
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lem729 last edited by
The speed dial is a new feature. One can create folders in each part of the speed dial. So it permits having an amazingly huge number of links in the dial. No other browser has that feature. If you are a speed dial fan, this feature (which permits the creation of speed dials within the overall speed dial) can be close to browser heaven.
The Discover feature is new. Every day Opera has news links on a variety of topics -- general news, art, technology, health, etc. . You can see the news for different countries, and if you are multi-lingual try out reading news stories in different languages. The Discover features takes up only the space of one button on the overall speed dial, but the selection and range of articles is quite good, and from this Discover feature come tremendous "discover" possibilities.
And the Off-Road mode makes possible better, faster browsing when the computer is not as powerful, or maybe when the Wi-Fi connection is weak. All of the above are highly innovative browser features. Also the Stash is new. The ability is there to store items for any use, but often it is short term -- where you don't want to make a bookmark of an item
Because the engine of the browser is new, (Opera 20 is the last stable build) (Opera Next are the alpha, beta versions of the blink engine being tested and which go beyond Opera 20) it is quite a bit faster, really fast as Chrome, and does better (than did the browser -- Opera 12 -- under the old Presto engine) at accessing a wide range of sites, without problems.
Also, while Opera has extensions, pretty much all of the extensions in the Chrome browser store NOW ALSO work in Opera. That is a huge plus, and part of the change to the new browser engine, which is of the same family as the browser engine that runs Chrome.
The negative to this change in browser engine is that once Opera moved from the Presto engine to the new Blink engine, many of the customization features didn't carry over. It will take time for the Blink developers to add features. Lol, Rome wasn't built in a day. More importantly, many of the features will not have to be in the browser, but can come via extension, indeed may already be there. So one can look to extensions for a notes manager, bookmarks manager, passwords manager, etc. Among users, passions sometimes run high, and there seem to be two camps -- those who welcome the change, and those who don't. Some of our power users preferred the customization of the old Presto engine. What Opera has therefore done (not unlike Solomon splitting the baby) (pardon my poor effort at humor) is to leave the old Presto browser Opera 12.14, AND the new Blink browser (Opera 20) available for download. So we have a dynamic duo. You can run the browsers side by side if you want, emphasizing the one that you prefer, but having the other as a backup.
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herudae last edited by
Ok, thanks, my browser is in spanish and both terms (Off-Road Mode and All-Terrain Mode) are translated as "Modo Todo Terreno".
Where can I find All-Terrain Mode? I am just curious.
If you didn't understand what I said I'll explain it to you, again, my browser is in Spanish it says "Modo Todo Terreno", in english it can be translated as All-Terrain Mode or Off-Road Mode, and both engish terms are translated as Modo Todo Terreno, this is just like you, in english, have the verb "to make" and the verb "to do", both of them are translated as "hacer" in spanish, just one verb to express the two english verbs aforementioned.
I hope this helps you to understand.
Thanks Lem, I love the Stash, very useful.
As a matter of fact I was not an avid user of Opera Browser, I loved the project and its functionality, but it always had problems to show web pages that other browser didn't have. I remember that among the services the Opera Browser had the Opera Unite, Opera Link and Opera Turbo services, as well as the capability to manage userscripts without addons like greasemonkey, I know Chrome/Chromium and derivatives can manage userscripts too, but what about the other features?
I also noted Opera doesn't have bookmarks
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Deleted User last edited by
I also noted Opera doesn't have bookmarks
That's not quite true. Opera does not have a bookmark manager similar to Opera Presto BUT it does have bookmarks. The Quick Address Bar can be enabled in Settings. Folders can be assigned to the bar and your sites dragged and dropped into those folders. You can also nest folders within those folders in order to bookmark hundreds of sites. Furthermore you can bookmark your most frequently visited sites on the Speed Dial.
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lem729 last edited by
Leushino is quite right. Indeed, I believe you have robust bookmarking possibilities in Opera 20. One can bookmark tons of sites via the super speed dial (I think I must have close to 100 in mine), can set up a personal bookmarks toolbar by enabling it in settings, and even add a bookmark extension (I use Tidy Bookmarks from the Chrome store for a more traditional vertical display of bookmarks, when I want to show it, and I am quite happy with it) (there are though other bookmark extensions that come recommended too). In addition (while it is not the main show) one can use Stash for bookmarks (I like it for certain extras I want to have available on short term basis -- maybe a video or news interview I want to watch at a later time), and also one can download a notes extension for some more bookmarks. Smile. I mean it's not perfect, maybe, nothing ever is, BUT there is an abundance of riches there too. With the "in all ways" extraordinary speed dial for starters, it is really quite impressive -- the bookmarking capability.
Herudae, you mention problems with Opera rendering sites. Well, let me mention that that is a significant reason from the shot away from Opera Presto to Opera Blink. The new Opera (with the blink engine) renders sites significantly better than the old Opera with the presto engine.
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alreadybanned last edited by
Hello I just wanted to know about main differences between Opera 12 and Opera Next, specially about lost, improved and added features, and what of the missing features are in development to add them in later updates. For example, I thought Opera Turbo was lost, today I learned that it's not lost but changed its name to Off-Road Mode.
ThanksI can tell you that the mail and torrent clients will NOT return. Nor will notes and seemingly a bookmarks manager. Customization might come back but they don't really seem to be saying much in that regard. The search bar seems gone forever and, as you probably have noticed, you can't use your own search engine as a default or remove the pre-packaged ones The new Opera is faster and encounters less site incompatibilities but it's also significantly more resource heavy.
If you took the time creating your Presto install to something very functional you might want to hold onto it until this matures a little more
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lem729 last edited by
I think the idea with Opera blink is to be: lean, mean, and fast :))) No need to burden the browser with matters easily handled via extension. A look at the Opera extension store and Chrome extension store already show numerous bookmarking managers and notes. I use Tidy Bookmarks for Chrome, which I'm satisfied with (as a bookmarks manager), and Browser ++ (in the Opera store) for notes (as well as searching all open tabs, retrieving previously closed tabs). More extensions will come, whether in the Chrome or Opera stores, and provide even more functionality. The bookmark manager and notes situation is already reasonable.
Of course searches are done in Opera via the address bar. The are five default engines, but it's simple to use any search engine you wish by adding it to Opera by right clicking on the search bar, at the search engine's website. Even if it is not a default engine, using it for an Opera search is quite simple. In terms of privacy, Disconnect Search (in the Chrome store) is a terrific extension. With it, whatever you type in the address bar as part of your search apparently cannot be traced back to you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.disconnect.search
Disconnect Search creates a separate search bar, but also lets you search from the main address bar.I see no problem with having and using Opera 20, but also holding onto an Opera 12.16 install. It would be the best of both worlds. And by the way, that's what I do.
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alreadybanned last edited by
I think the idea with Opera blink is to be: lean, mean, and fast :))) No need to burden the browser with matters easily handled via extension. A look at the Opera extension store and Chrome extension store already show numerous bookmarking managers and notes. I use Tidy Bookmarks for Chrome, which I'm satisfied with (as a bookmarks manager), and Browser ++ (in the Opera store) for notes (as well as searching all open tabs, retrieving previously closed tabs). More extensions will come, whether in the Chrome or Opera stores, and provide even more functionality. The bookmark manager and notes situation is already reasonable.
Of course searches are done in Opera via the address bar. The are five default engines, but it's simple to use any search engine you wish by adding it to Opera by right clicking on the search bar, at the search engine's website. Even if it is not a default engine, using it for an Opera search is quite simple. In terms of privacy, Disconnect Search (in the Chrome store) is a terrific extension. With it, whatever you type in the address bar as part of your search apparently cannot be traced back to you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.disconnect.search
Disconnect Search creates a separate search bar, but also lets you search from the main address bar.
I see no problem with having and using Opera 20, but also holding onto an Opera 12.16 install. It would be the best of both worlds. And by the way, that's what I do.Disconnect is fine for your searches but there is a problem with using the Chrome store. Many of the extensions require you to have a gmail account and you if you don't have that you need to give your phone number to register one. That's the main reason I abandoned any and all Chrome clones because without the extensions what are you left with? Not all require you to have one though but still, why should any at all?
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Deleted User last edited by
I'm not a fan of Google but I have an account since I make use of some of their properties. So what? One has to pick his ethical battles, so to speak, and I have no problems making use of what I need. Big deal. I don't know why people insist upon making things do black and white. Our world is many shades of gray.
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linuxmint7 last edited by
If you didn't understand what I said I'll explain it to you, again,
I'm pretty sure it was a joke, you know!, 'Ha! ha! ha!'. But it may have got lost in translation.
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lem729 last edited by
alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise
in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store
And a general faq
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Deleted User last edited by
Ok, thanks, my browser is in spanish and both terms (Off-Road Mode and All-Terrain Mode) are translated as "Modo Todo Terreno".
Where can I find All-Terrain Mode? I am just curious.
If you didn't understand what I said I'll explain it to you, again, my browser is in Spanish it says "Modo Todo Terreno", in english it can be translated as All-Terrain Mode or Off-Road Mode, and both engish terms are translated as Modo Todo Terreno, this is just like you, in english, have the verb "to make" and the verb "to do", both of them are translated as "hacer" in spanish, just one verb to express the two english verbs aforementioned.
I hope this helps you to understand.
Thanks Lem, I love the Stash, very useful.
As a matter of fact I was not an avid user of Opera Browser, I loved the project and its functionality, but it always had problems to show web pages that other browser didn't have. I remember that among the services the Opera Browser had the Opera Unite, Opera Link and Opera Turbo services, as well as the capability to manage userscripts without addons like greasemonkey, I know Chrome/Chromium and derivatives can manage userscripts too, but what about the other features?
I also noted Opera doesn't have bookmarksI understand, thanks for the explanation.
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alreadybanned last edited by
alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise
in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.
Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store
support@disconnect.me
And a general faq
https://disconnect.me/search/helpUsing it or not isn't the issue, I'm not willing to give google my phone number. In order to get a gmail account you need to give them your mobile number that they verify with a text message. That is intrusive and unnecessary imo. They already have a picture of my house on google maps street view. I don't see giving into such practices as compromising but rather acceptance of devious tactics and that, I'm not going to do.
I would much rather grab extensions from Opera's repository but it's just too lean at the moment. And if I'm honest, I am rather concerned about the partnership with google seeing as you can not remove the search from the browser. It would be simple enough for Opera to make that possible but they haven't so...
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Deleted User last edited by
alreadybanned, why not just set up the gmail account. just don't use it. Use what you like. Compromise
in the name of the greater good -- geting Disconnect Search. The general Disconnect extension is very good and already is in the Opera store. Maybe Disconnect Search will come to the Opera store, and then problem solved. I still can't figure out why some things are in the Opera store (They carry Disconnect) but not others (they don't carry Disconnect Search). (the Chrome store carries both). Perhaps the issue is the company that does the extension, and they just haven't done the paperwork to put disconnect Search in the Opera store.
Here's the contact email if you want to ask the question about getting it in the Opera store
support@disconnect.me
And a general faq
https://disconnect.me/search/helpUsing it or not isn't the issue, I'm not willing to give google my phone number. In order to get a gmail account you need to give them your mobile number that they verify with a text message. That is intrusive and unnecessary imo. They already have a picture of my house on google maps street view. I don't see giving into such practices as compromising but rather acceptance of devious tactics and that, I'm not going to do.
I would much rather grab extensions from Opera's repository but it's just too lean at the moment. And if I'm honest, I am rather concerned about the partnership with google seeing as you can not remove the search from the browser. It would be simple enough for Opera to make that possible but they haven't so...I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.
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alreadybanned last edited by
I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.
Do you by chance have an Android phone? They don't ask for it then because they already have it, without your consent no less. I had a gmail account way back when it was in beta, they didn't ask then either but I deleted it because of the growing distrust I have with them.
That's all I'll say on this though as I've gone long enough off topic
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Deleted User last edited by
Second step authentication is the ONLY reasonably safe way to log into accounts these days. I would not dream of simply relying upon a password which are far too easy to hack. Google have had my number for a very long time (as has Microsoft for that matter) and I feel perfectly safe knowing that no one can hack into my account without my phone being physically present.
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lem729 last edited by
alreadybanned,
You say you can't remove the search from the browser. But you can remove the Google Search bar from the speed dial. And you do not have to use the Google Search at all. I have not given google my cell phone number, alreadybanned, though they ask for it saying it would help them contact me if there is a security issue. I have given them my landline number.
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alreadybanned last edited by
You can remove it from view by way of jumping through hoops that are not made common knowledge to average users. But again, why am I not allowed to remove it entirely? Why can I not use a search engine of my choice as default?
So you both do acknowledge then that a phone number IS required by google. You're ok with that and that's fine, I'm not
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Deleted User last edited by
What is the problem? Seriously... I fail to understand your concern. I use Bing as my search engine. I've made a link to its portal and dragged it onto my QAB. Simple. You insist that everything must be done according to how you want it done. However, it's free software and if it doesn't do things exactly as you think it should, then use something else OR do what we do and use a workaround. And why you balk at giving a number to Google is beyond me. It is the safest way of logging into one's account as I previously mentioned.
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alreadybanned last edited by
I'm not surprised you fail to understand. After all, you criticise me for wanting options as wanting things my way and then turn around and defend totalitarian companies that insist you do things their way.
op·tion
[op-shuhn]
noun
1.the power or right of choosing.
2.something that may be or is chosen; choice.
3.the act of choosing.
4.an item of equipment or a feature that may be chosen as an addition to or replacement for standard equipment and features: a car with a long list of feature that may be chosen as an addition to or replacement for standard equipment and features: a car with a long list of optionsCompany websites get hacked, that's a fact. I trust my sensitive information to my head with simple algorithms that allows me to change things regularly without the need of writing them down or storing them in some sort of compromisable cloud
Those who would sacrifice the good of liberty for the price of security deserve neither liberty nor security ~ Benjamin Franklin
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Deleted User last edited by
I never gave and will not give my number, I have had a Google account for 3 years.
https://accounts.google.com/SignUp?service=mail&continue=http://mail.google.com/mail/&ltmpl=default
Do you by chance have an Android phone? They don't ask for it then because they already have it, without your consent no less. I had a gmail account way back when it was in beta, they didn't ask then either but I deleted it because of the growing distrust I have with them.
That's all I'll say on this though as I've gone long enough off topicI check my account config and I did not put my number.
