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  • And never will. An end of an era, sadly...

    Look at Otter browser changelog https://github.com/Emdek/otter/blob/master/CHANGELOG and To-do list here https://github.com/Emdek/otter/blob/master/TODO

    Also, don't forget if they ever open source Presto ...

  • They will never open the source of Opera Presto. If they do that, they will create their own competition.

  • They will never open the source of Opera Presto. If they do that, they will create their own competition.

    LOL, yes, but they say power users are in minority, so that won't hurt them, right?

  • Maybe not, maybe yes. I do not imagine someone using Presto to build a browser because it has a lot of bugs.

  • Maybe not, maybe yes. I do not imagine someone using Presto to build a browser because it has a lot of bugs.

    All of them do. Every software has bugs. The only reason it seemed more prominent with Opera, is because most website designers coded around the bugs in the more popular browsers (Chrome, IE, Firefox), while Opera had to code around those same "fixes" implemented on the sites.

  • Do not forget that the code of Presto is more complex than others. Google changed Webkit to Blink to make the code more simple

  • I think you should try Firefox

    Does it still have vsync misses and a slow UI? The "performance" is good, but what I remember was that it was unresponsive back in the day.

  • I think you should try Firefox>

    Opera Blink's initial page loads (Opera 17 was the one tested) were faster than Firefox, Chrome, or IE. Firefox's page load time from cache (5.179 esconds) and non-cached (11.091 seconds) were by far the worst of the four browsers. Opera 17's was the best from a non-cached situation(1.685 seconds), and near tied with Chrome for best from cache(3.526 seconds) .

    http://www.slideshare.net/MID_AS/browser-performance-tests

  • I have to confess that I have been with Opera since version 2 I believe. It was not free, and I payed for each major upgrade, until it went the route of all others and was given to the public. And too, I have always referred it to others.

    Now, I am aware of the need to change to a different browser engine. But regardless the need, I am still unable to embrace the new Opera. Sorry about that. I am not reactionary either. It just doesn't serve my likes, as it once did. And you can make all of the excuses you wish [b]Lem[/b], but I have been with this browser longer than 99.9% of current users, and I am sure I am not alone here in my thinking. I am not saying that it stinks, like others. But the new browser is woefully subpar, and this long standing lover of Opera is not happy.

    There are just so many things I am not allowed to customize anymore. What you have here is a standard cookie cutter that is adequate, but not outstanding. Lem, you guys have forgotten Robert Browning's point about "one's reach exceeding one's grasp". And that is a real shame.

    I would suggest that you look after the original fans, and come up with something that represents Opera's original mission, because when you lose your REAL base, you are on the road to extinction.

    This is just my opinion, but It is time for me to begin looking for another backup browser other than Firefox. I'm not happy with being treated like a mushroom. Sorry.

  • I love Opera 12.16 (last 12.17) and used it loooong time. Many times I tried other browsers and since 1 month working on new Opera (ver. 25). Just a few extenstions (e.g. Classic Tabs, TabHamster) , change some experimental functions ( opera://flags/ in address) , changes in opera settings - and now new version is not so bad. Many shortcuts and gestures are the same (not all unfortunetly). I recommend to try it.

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