Opera comes with Flash pre-installed?

A Former User

Thank you, adasiko and gustavwiz,

I was thinking about this last night. We're working with Chromium-based browsers here and not with Firefox. Are you, by chance, using Firefox. Pepperflash is Chromium-based solution. And, I'm quite certain that flashplugin-installer (flashplayer for Firefox) is the way to go for Firefox.

Source: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3351.msg33366.html#msg33366

The problem many people, not only jayaguru-shishya, are having right now with Chromium's pepperflash plugin is a problem which affects Opera for Linux too. The problem has to do with Pepperflash's signature. Also, we're talking about Linux here. Abobe Flash may be working fine for Firefox in Windows --I don't know. I've been away from Windows for a long time now, and I rarely use Firefox because I prefer Opera --followed by Chromium and Chrome.

Below is a long and recent thread about Pepperflash which is followed by a discussion, within the thread, about Firefox. This is informative, and will help anyone using Ubuntu or an Ubuntu-based distribution whose having an issue with Pepperflash right now.

Right now we're trying to clear some Flash issues for jayaguru-shishya. It's a process, and it takes a little time. Our goal is to get his current Pepperflash installation updated to where it should be, without conflicting software. He's almost there now. He doesn't need a Skunk Pepper-Flash PPA, and he doesn't need adobe-flashplugin directly when Google has created a solution using Pepperflash. Doing any of these things again are going to mess him up again with his Chromium and Opera installations in Ubuntu.

If you're really interested in this topic, please read this thread from Peppermint:

https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,3351.0.html

And please read this thread from Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

And please read these posts from our moderator, sgunhouse. I corrected any misspellings that I could see. We're both trying to help this fellow who is new to Linux.

May 3

"I don't run Ubuntu, I can't comment on that stuff. I just know that pepperflash is the one you need. In Opera you can go tp opera:plugins to see which plugins it sees, but in the latest versions even if it sees the NPAPI plugin it won't actually use it. Not certain if that's only the unstable versions or the stable as well."

and from yesterday, May 4:

"All chromium-based browsers support pepperflash, which includes both Opera and Vivaldi - Konqueror (the KDE browser) is not actually chromium-based and so I'm not sure if it uses pepperflash or not. (In principle, khtml is the progenitor of both Safari and Chromium, but I'm not sure how much has been backported to Konqueror.)

And I've approved one of your posts - when a post gets held don't bother trying to repost as that'll be held too; that one I deleted."

sergiy9

sergiy9

Nothing work. Somebody gіve me please step by step tutorial how to make to work flashplayer in opera on debian 8. Thanks.

A Former User

Hi there @perknh! I ran the "sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin" comman in the terminal, and this it what it gives:

xxxxxs:~$ sudo apt-get remove --purge adobe-flashplugin
[sudo] password for xxxxxs: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED: adobe-flash-properties-gtk* adobe-flashplugin*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
After this operation, 38,6 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 188010 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing adobe-flash-properties-gtk (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Removing adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Purging configuration files for adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.10.1-0ubuntu2) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
Processing triggers for bamfdaemon (0.5.1+14.04.20140409-0ubuntu1) ...
Rebuilding /usr/share/applications/bamf-2.index...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.54ubuntu1.1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1) ...
xxxxxs:~$

@adasiko and @gustavwiz, exactly. If you see the Adobe Flash'es website (https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/), they state the following:

NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux.

Cheers!

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@perknh: No, what I'm trying to say is that adobe-flashplugin seems to contain pepperflash (the PPAPI verison of flash). That's why you should try to install it.

Edit: Now I've tested in on another machine, and it worked.

sgunhouse

sgunhouse Moderator Volunteer

What version does it report.

A Former User

Hi jayaguru-shishya. sgunhouse, asked a good question to gustavwiz. But it's a great question for you too. What version of Adobe Flash Player do you now have now in your Chromium browser and Opera browser after you run the command

chrome:plugins

in Chromium's and Opera's omnibox (or search bars)?

This is the version I have in Chromium:

Adobe Flash Player - Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

And, this is the version what I have in Opera-stable:

Adobe Flash Player
Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

See, they're the same!

With a little luck, jayaguru-shishya. you're going to have the same versions that I have now --crossed fingers, and knock on wood!

perknh

@gustavwiz

Hi gustavwiz,

All Flash comes from Adobe. Google has an agreement with Adobe and has created its own version of Flash for Chromium-based browsers. Really, Pepperflash IS Adobe Flash that has been modified for Chromium-based browsers --Chrome, Chromium, Opera, Vivaldi, etc. That's why we're using this command for Pepperflash for ourselves, but, you're right, it is all Adobe Flash.

What version do you have, gustavwiz?

perknh

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

In order to test this, I first uninstalled all versions of flash, and chrome and chromium. When I started Opera, there was no flash plugin, as expected.

Then I installed adobe-flashplugin, and on adobe's page I get version 20. On opera://plugins I get version 99.999.999... because of a known bug that doesn't seem to be fixed.

A Former User

Hi gustavwiz,

Wouldn't you prefer to have Version 21 and not have that error message in Opera?

We're trying to show anyone who is running a Debian, or Ubuntu-based distribution, how to fix this --and protect themselves from the risk of using Flash at the same time.

If you have a Debian, or an Ubuntu-based distribution, have you run:

sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree

?

The link below explains why you might want to do so, but only if you're running a Debian, or Ubuntu-based, distribution as jayaguru-shishya and I happen to be doing.

https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

I think the command would differ a little if you're running a distribution from another branch of Linux, but I'm pretty certain the general principle would be the same.

perknh

A Former User

Horaa! I finally have my flash up-to-date in the Chromium!

Adobe Flash Player - Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

I just realized that I didn't have Opera installed on my system at the time we were running all these commands (I was so concentrated on one browser at the time, and I thought it automatically apply for Opera as well).

I know have Opera browser together with the FlashBlocker that I installed from the Opera store. "opera://plguins" gives me only "Chrome PDF Viewer" (2 files):

Name: Chrome PDF Viewer
Version:
Location: chrome-extension://mhjfbmdgcfjbbpaeojofohoefgiehjai/
Type: BROWSER PLUGIN

Name: Chrome PDF Viewer
Description: Portable Document Format
Version:	
Location: internal-pdf-viewer
Type: PPAPI (out-of-process)

I am beginning to understand more and more how important it is in Linux to carry out all the procedures in a correct, consistent order.

Anyway, I've always heard many a good thing about the Linux community and how helpful it is. This is my first encounter, and I must say I am impressed! Thanks everyone for your help, especially @perknh !

Ps. now as my Opera browsers displays no flash of any kind, I wonder if it would be a complicated process to get it there as well? Also, is there still need for any further updates, autoremoves, or autocleans with respect to the previous procedures for Chromium?

Cheers! Tomorrow is Friday!

A Former User

Hi jayaguru-shishya,

"I just realized that I didn't have Opera installed on my system at the time we were running all these commands (I was so concentrated on one browser at the time, and I thought it automatically apply for Opera as well)." --jayaguru-shishya

You are right, jayaguru-shishya, it should automatically apply to Opera too. You are correct about this.

"now as my Opera browsers displays no flash of any kind, I wonder if it would be a complicated process to get it there as well? Also, is there still need for any further updates, autoremoves, or autocleans with respect to the previous procedures for Chromium?

Cheers! Tomorrow is Friday! 8-)" --jayaguru-shishya

That's what it's all about, jayaguru-shishya! We've been doing all of this work just to get to Opera! Begin by checking if Opera is installed your Ubuntu Software Center tomorrow. Maybe it's not installed correctly. We can install Opera-stable via the terminal. Until Opera has a verified secure download site like Chrome, Firefox, and Vivaldi do, I really do believe that using the terminal is the safest way to install Opera. If you don't see https in green, and a cute little green padlock beside it, don't download Opera from there --especially when we have a terminal we can use!

Until tomorrow!

perknh

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@perknh

Wouldn't you prefer to have Version 21 and not have that error message in Opera?

Yes, I would.

So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash, but an older version (20) with an annoying version number bug (that shows 999.999... on opera://plugins), and pepperflashplugin-nonfree seems to be the best alternative. I suggested adobe-flashplugin because another opera developer suggested it (and another source).

But right now it looks like you're right, pepperflashplugin-nonfree is the way to go!

(The only drawback with that package is that you also have to run sudo update-pepperflashplunin-nonfree --install)

A Former User

Ahh, indeed indeed. I found my way to "UbuntuHandbook: Install Opera 26 Stable in Ubuntu 14.04" (http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/12/install-opera-26-stable-ubuntu-14-04/), and further to "http://deb.opera.com/opera/pool/non-free/o/opera-stable/" (http://deb.opera.com/opera/pool/non-free/o/opera-stable/) where I chose the "opera-stable_37.0.2178.32_amd64.deb" alternative.

I executed the .deb -package through the Ubuntu Software Center, and installed it. A green cute little green padlock...? Oh boy, all the contrary! The Ubuntu Software Center warned me from installing the program unless I am 100% it can be trusted hohoho!

Now, that's very odd. I swear I saw it in the Ubuntu Software Center after I ran the .deb -package (well, perhaps for the very reason that I ran the package through there), but after closing and reopening it, it can be no longer found

Lesson two internalized: always trust the terminal over the Ubuntu Software Center.

Well, thanks for your help again! Until tomorrow!

A Former User

@gustavwiz

"So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash..." --gustavwiz

No, it's the other way around. Pepperflash is Adobe Flash modified for Chromium-based browsers.

"The only drawback with that package is that you also have to run sudo update-pepperflashplunin-nonfree --install" --gustavwiz

This is why we're doing workarounds right now. There is no signature on the latest version of Google's Pepperflash plugin. We're all making the assumption that one day, probably after the next Chrome, or Chromium, browser release, we'll be able to use the update command you mentioned. (That's what it is --an update command.) This "drawback" should be only temporary. At least that's what we all hope, and assume --knock on wood!

@jayaguru-shishya,

"always trust the terminal over the Ubuntu Software Center." --jayaguru-shishya

No! Both Synaptic Package Manager and Ubuntu Software Center are very safe package managers. They have been gone over and over time and time again with a fine tooth comb. They are much safer download sites than downloading from the Web at large --and one significant reason why Linux is even more secure than Apple! Me personally? I just want to see that same green padlock for downloading Opera as I see when I download Chrome, or Vivaldi, or if I were to download Firefox from the Web to my computer. Until Opera uses the same security protocol as the browsers mentioned above, I'll keep using the command line for my installations of Opera. But, that's me. I would imagine that most users would feel the same way too if they thought about it for a while.

As for the terminal, jayaguru-shishya, the terminal is as good as the commands you enter it. If you enter good and safe commands, you'll get good and safe results. Period! The terminal is as good as the commands you enter it. Just be sure to enter good and safe commands.

Tomorrow I have some projects I need to attend to, but we'll try to get you up and running with Opera if possible --and, hopefully with Flash working too.

Here's a link to look at in the meantime. By the way, the commands are both good and safe. And Opera's staff checked them before they were posted:

https://forums.opera.com/topic/8091/a-way-i-found-to-install-opera-stable-from-the-terminal/9

jayaguru-shishya, this is Opera's forum and we all want to have Opera running correctly on your computer -- and with Flash up and running correctly on your computer too. That's what this forum, and thread, is all about!

Until tomorrow.

perknh

A Former User

So the conclusion is: adobe-flashplugin contains pepper-flash, but an older version (20)

No

Publishing details
Published on 2016-04-07
Changelog
adobe-flashplugin (1:20160407.1-0ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium

New upstream releases

NPAPI: 11.2.202.616

PPAPI: 21.0.0.213
-- Chris Coulson chris.coulson@canonical.com Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:04:54 +0100

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin

gustavwiz

gustavwiz

@perknh

No, it's the other way around. Pepperflash is Adobe Flash modified for Chromium-based browsers.

Yes, this I already know. But the package adobe-flashplugin, contains pepper flash. Otherwise it wouldn't work in Opera (and the about page states PPAPI; Pepper Plugin API, that's why it's called pepper flash).

@adasiko: Strange, because in Opera, version 20 comes up. And I have an updated system.

A Former User

@gustavwiz

"But the package adobe-flashplugin, contains pepper flash." --gustavwiz

I didn't know that. Also, in reference to your comment to adasiko, I only discovered this year that when you update your system, Flash doe NOT update with it. Yeah, that's unbelievable, isn't it? I used Linux for several years before learning this. Honestly, I was flabbergasted when I learned that.

Read what Scott(0) asks PCNetSpec in Peppermint forum, and look how many times this thread has been read --2700 times!

https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,1029.msg8826.html#msg8826

Honestly, gustavwiz, I can't stand Flash, but it is still a necessary software platform many of us need at times. That is why I suggest using a Flash blocker too in order to keep Flash safely out of the way when we don't want it to become active. And this idea of using a Flash blocker is another trick I learned from the fellows in Peppermint forum.

perknh

A Former User

I first tried out with adobe-flashplugin with my Firefox, but it was no go. As stated in the Adobe Flash website, it didn't get any more up-to-date than the 11.2. version. The same seemed to be the case with my Chromium earlier, but now as adobe-flashplugin has been purged from my system and pepperflash (alone) installed, the problem seems to be fixed though.

@perknh: sorry, my mistake! I totally confused the self-ran .deb package with those other applications approved to the Ubuntu Software Center! Therefore, I'd like to take back my inconsiderate comment!

Hmm, would it be a big of an operation to do the same installation of pepperflash to my Opera browse? Oh boy, I also hope that in a few years the whole flash will be dead and buried, but at the moment it is necessary for some of the applications I am running online. I currently have my Opera with the FlashBlocker, I hope that helps a bit.

Ps. Is there still need for any further updates, autoremoves, or autocleans with respect to the previous procedures for Chromium?

Thanks and happy Friday!

A Former User

I finally found the Opera broweser I installed earlier from the Ubuntu Software Center (it could be found by clicking the little down-arrow at the right-side of the "Installed" icon).

I've now removed it, and next I will start following the instructions given by perknh (https://forums.opera.com/topic/8091/a-way-i-found-to-install-opera-stable-from-the-terminal/9).

An interesting observation though. At the installation window of the Ubuntu Software Center, Opera browser lists the "Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin (pepperflashplugin-nonfree)" as an Optional add-on. I had that ticked when I installed my Opera, but still it didn't appear in the Extensions-section. Just a curiosity...

A Former User

@gustavwizm and @perknh: I just (successfully?) installed Opera browser by following the instructions provided by perknh (https://forums.opera.com/topic/8091/a-way-i-found-to-install-opera-stable-from-the-terminal/9). The flash is now displayed at the "opera://plugins", but I am facing the same problem as gustavwizm reported in his earlier posts: the version indeed shows as 99.999.999.999:

Adobe Flash Player
Version: 99.999.999.999
Shockwave Flash 99.999 r999
Location: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libpepflashplayer.so
Type: PPAPI (out-of-process)

Any ideas?

A Former User

Hi jayaguru-shishya,

Congratulations to you for installing Opera from the command line. That's great!

Once your Pepperflash plugin is installed, it is good for any Chromium-based browser --Opera included. There's no need to remove Pepperflash because you were already running the most up-to-date version of it. Are you sure, jayaguru-shishya, that Pepperflash is still installed? What does it say in Chromium when you run

chrome:plugins

?

This is what I get in Opera 37.0.2178.32 when I run: chrome:plugins

Adobe Flash Player
Version: 21.0.0.216
Shockwave Flash 21.0 r0

It also says "Opera is up to date"

Did you say "Yes" to letting Opera update along with your system, or Ubuntu? It helps if you do so.

Have you done a system update, upgrade, autoremove, autoclean, and a reboot?

Even though Flash does not update along with Ubuntu, it might not hurt to run those commands again. A lot have been changed here.

perknh