An option to disable the "mute tab" button

  • Hello,

    it is really hard to grab a tab with the mute symbol, when sound is being played. I'd rather have it removed and get a hotkey for muting, as it also is very painful if loud music suddenly is turned off.

    Thanks,
    Kim

  • I'm surprised "Mute Tab" isn't already listed under "Configure shortcuts".

  • Please bring back this option. I am using Opera Developer 41.0 and I can no longer remove the incredibly illogical and annoying mute button from tabs.

    There used to be a flag under opera flags where I could disable this annoyance, but now this seems to have been removed.

    I can also not find a setting under the ordinary Alt+P settings to get rid of this silly gremlin.

    Why put a mute button on there and not a play button, a stop button, a playlist maker, an equaliser and an option to close the entire browser and run a Winamp skinl? Oh, right. Because Opera is a browser, not a media player. Do not fiddle with the media on tabs. Do what you do best and more importantly - the only reason why I am still using Opera rather than any other browser - do NOT remove configuration settings.

    I want to be able to disable any featuritis symptoms you implement, and anything and everything that used to be configurable should always remain configurable.

  • As I understand it, the mute tabs feature was primarily created to target advertisements. You're using one tab, and then an ad suddenly starts talking on a tab in the background. It's not a media controller, it's for media that CAN'T be controlled.

    The current implementation is only problematic in my mind if you have so many tabs open that the button takes up the entire area. It only shows up when there's actually sound coming from the tab, and there's an animation to emphasize the clickable area.

    One thought might be to move it to a right click context menu. make "mute tab" the first item on the list if there's sound coming from the tab.

    The devs can't assume you have an adblocker (well maybe they can now, even if it's rudimentary), so until the built in version becomes good enough that it's never a problem, it has to be prominent, since there's a only fraction of a second to grab your attention as you reach for the tab.

  • The devs also cannot assume that I want to mute media on a tab from the window of the tab. Why not then also assume that I want to pause, skip or start playing media? And if they do assume that I want to mute a particular tab, then surely that much is already covered in the right-click context menu (all the mute options are there and they are beautiful and they can remain there).

    The devs cannot assume any functionality has been enabled, but the devs can safely assume that all of their favourite features would annoy the living crap out of someone, and some user would like to disable those features. Bury it deep, make it nearly impossible to find, assume most users are monkeys with keyboards and will not ever use it, those are all fine. But do not under any circumstances remove a configuration option entirely.

    The current implementation is problematic for many reasons. Firstly, there is functionality available in the underlying chrome engine which enables one to disable this annoying mute button on browser tabs. Opera breaks this functionality, at least in the Developer preview editions. Secondly, there is no sane reason why muting a tab should take precedence over any of the other context menu options. What do you normally do? Do you normally expect to mute a tab, which is related to actual media content on a page, or do you expect normal tab operations to take precedence with normal tab functions?

    If I pull the handbrake on my car, I expect handbrake operations. I do not expect the window to open or close based on the state of the handbrake.

  •   If I pull the handbrake on my car, I expect handbrake operations. I do not expect the window to open or close based 
       on the state of the handbrake.
    

    Problem here is that I think we're thinking of two different situations. I'm thinking of ads playing at inopportune moments, I think you're thinking of media players (maybe pandora or spotify) playing in the background.

    I'm going to alter your metaphor slightly, and say that the handbrake is the mute functionality (it fits better anyway). Your complaint is that if you're on the highway going 70mph, you don't want to accidentally hit the handbrake. Fair enough.

    I'm saying that if I'm rolling down a hill towards a lake, I want everything from turn-indicators to windshield wiper controls to turn into a handbrake and flash red at me.

    You're not wrong that it should probably be in settings, but simply getting rid of it by default as has been suggested is a badly engineered solution.

  • Metaphor besides, I don't particularly care what the defaults are as long as I have an option to change it somewhere.

    This is still a gripe in the Opera Developer previews, but it isn't an issue in the official Opera Releases.

    The standard opera://flags option to disable the mute buttons works in the official releases. I hope it stays this way, then the defaults can stop the car from running into the lake, as it were.

  • In version 41.0.2353.46, I can no longer disable the mute button.

    It's really annoying to have a mute button, which controls media, on a tab, which is completely the wrong place for this setting in any event.

    Please, just unbreak the opera://flags where I could disable the mute button before.

  • Hello,
    it is really hard to grab a tab with the mute symbol, when sound is being played. I'd rather have it removed and get a hotkey for muting, as it also is very painful if loud music suddenly is turned off.
    Thanks,
    Kim

    You're right, Kim. I hate this mute button and I just want to remove this gremlin. Featuritis is really bothersome and it it is beginning to ruin the Opera experience.

    Even worse, underlying engine settings are now masked and there is no alternative to configure them now. Poor design decision, in my view. If Opera is going the Chrome and Firefox route whereby options are shoved down our throats then Opera has lost its edge for me.

  • Regardless, I did log a bug for this and hopefully Opera will give it attention.

    Problem area: Problem viewing or interacting with website
    URL: opera://flag

    Summary: Cannot disable mute button on tabs in Opera Developer 41.0.2323.0

    Description:
    The Chrome engine has flags which allow one to disable the annoying mute button that appears on browser tabs. The field in question is #enable-tab-audio-muting and it appears on the chrome://flags page.

    Opera masks this flag and it is not possible to adjust this setting on opera:// flags.

    This was available in the stable Opera editions. It may be that the chrome engine has been masked or some features have been disabled in the Developer editions for some good reason, but I feel that the standard chrome engine flags should not be masked by Opera. Extend them, sure, but don't modify them or override them or completely remove them.

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Open opera://flags
    2. Search for 'mute'.
    3. There is no Tab audio muting UI control flag, only zuul.

    Actual result:
    The annoying mute button still appears on tabs.

    Expected result:
    The mute button should not appear on tabs. Please unbreak or unmask this chrome engine feature so users can have more control over their browser.

    The bug thread is here:

    DNAWIZ-5650

  • DNAWIZ-5650

    Because you posted the whole address, probably your report is now getting lots of spam.

    Anyway, it's not a bug.

  • Breaking functionality is a bug.

  • One thought might be to move it to a right click context menu. make "mute tab" the first item on the list if there's sound coming from the tab.

    This is actually there, so all that is arguably needed is an indication of which tab is making the noise.

    But there's no more ways to get rid of the mute button that sits on the tab.

    It still works in Chrome, thankfully.

  • Breaking functionality is a bug.

    Mute tabs work as it should. The fact that Chrome, a different browser, has a different flag doesn't mean that Opera or any other browser that does not offer the same experiment are breaking any functionality.

    Flags are not settings. Flags are experiments that developers can turn on and off at any time.

  • Breaking functionality is a bug.

    Mute tabs work as it should. The fact that Chrome, a different browser, has a different flag doesn't mean that Opera or any other browser that does not offer the same experiment are breaking any functionality.
    Flags are not settings. Flags are experiments that developers can turn on and off at any time.

    You can't disable the mute button. You could do this before. I would like to still be able to disable this annoying mute button, especially since the right click context menu makes it redundant.

  • You can't disable the mute button. You could do this before.

    Nope, it was never possible. What you could do was disable the experiment itself. As there is no experiment anymore...

    I would like to still be able to disable this annoying mute button, especially since the right click context menu makes it redundant

    So you should post here or on the blog explain why there should be such option, if possible with a good user case to support your request.

  • OK in addition to logging a bug with the user case, I am posting it here. I am explaining why there should be such an option. What more can I do to give a convincing user case? Do you need to see the look on my face when this annoying mute button surfaces, or when I can no longer disable this retarded experiment?

  • Note that I am not requesting the complete removal of this annoying mute button that somehow made it onto a browser tab, of all places. I am merely echoing the request made by other users for user choice in the matter. I do understand that some people may very well want to click on their tabs in order to mute media that is running on the page, despite there not being a rational use case for such a scenario. The idea behind configuration settings is a win-win scenario.

    As an user, I merely want to be able to disable this annoyance, and any other feature that some developer thought was a great idea but that annoys the living crap out of me. Your other others feel the same, considering I did not start this thread and it was an annoyance long before it annoyed me, and that some users do want to use it. A configuration setting makes it possible for both of us to use Opera and enjoy it.

    I am not interested in getting semantic about what constitutes a bug or not, I merely want to enjoy the same functionality that Opera had previously offered me and which is no longer working. What is more is it won't take anything away from those who want a mute tab button.

    All features should enjoy the same standard: Use them if you want, disable them if you do not want to use them. In my view, a feature should not leave the experimental stage under any circumstances, until the user configuration options for such a feature are completed too. Which includes the option of disabling it entirely. Just like you can disable ad blocking, battery saver and the proxy entirely if you do not wish to use them.

  • OK in addition to logging a bug with the user case, I am posting it here

    You should not use the bug report system for requests.

    I am explaining why there should be such an option.

    Sorry but you didn't say anything valid so far. Saying that such option should be implemented just because other browser has it is not a valid argument.

    Also is invalid saying that the button should not be there just because the option appears somewhere else. Redundancy is common in softwares.

    What more can I do to give a convincing user case?

    Providing a valid one may help.

    Do you need to see the look on my face when this annoying mute button surfaces, or when I can no longer disable this retarded experiment?

    Nope, personal opinion or preferences don't matter for them to decide if something will be implemented or not. you need to show why implementing what you want may be useful and good for the users and not just for you.

    Use them if you want, disable them if you do not want to use them

    Or just don't use them.

    In my view, a feature should not leave the experimental stage under any circumstances, until the user configuration options for such a feature are completed too

    This would be an utopia. Not only in browsers or softwares there will be features that you will not be allowed to disable.

  • I would love the option of not using this annoying mute button, but I do not have such a choice. You see, the button is on top of the tab, and as the person who started this thread told you already, if you click on a tab to switch, then you mute that tab.

    This is contradictory to user expection, and it is in fact a bug.

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