From Opera 12 to 20...a giant leap back for mankind
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rseiler last edited by
When new Opera came out last summer, I soon estimated that it would be a year before power users of Opera 12 would want anything to do with new Opera (beyond keeping a copy on the side to guffaw over periodically).
I now think that's optimistic. There's just too much ground to make up, far more than can be done in a season, and I doubt that we'll get back 50% of what was lost even by next year.
So I remain, like so many, with Opera 12 and its "increasingly distracting" incompatibilities. With no updates and the driving force behind browser.js gone, it's rough going.
Firefox with its powerful extensions is probably the top contender for me, as I have problems with the way Chrome does a number of things. I'd be all over Maxthon if it wasn't for it being walled off from real extensions (though they're far less needed).
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jito463 last edited by
I've been fairly pleased with Sleipnir, although I still won't use it as my primary, seeing as Opera 12.x still serves my purposes. I'm not terribly fond of the multiple processes or lack of a proper bookmarks (much like ChrOpera, but as it's also based on Chrome, therein lies the reason), or v5's tab management system (which is why I'm sticking with v4 for now), but for the specific purpose I have for it, it works fine. Might be worth taking a look, as it does have some features of Opera that I love, such as flip-forward/backward (though it's a tad buggy) and scroll-wheel switching of tabs (it even lets you right-click and drag left or right to switch).
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stng last edited by
Don't be that harsh, I like 20 even tho I've been using opera since ver 5 or 6. Sure, lots of features are missing, but guys are working to bring them back, aint easy to start from the scratch, but sometimes is needed.
OK.
Have you read the interview with their(Opera Software_ PR's guys? -
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twomaze last edited by
I also just switched from 12 to 20 and am very disappointed, too! There are too many customisation possibilities missing.
Immediately after starting my first session I realized two great functionalities just disappeared. And I hardly think they are extremely hard to implement again.
First, I may be blind, but the very useful bin on the right upper corner is missing. Second, Opera 12 was able to block 100% of any pop-ups. Now I have to deal with pop-up ads again, even when the pop-up blocker is switched on! I could go on criticising for hours...
I have to agree to another thread OLD IS GOLD in that case. All of the functionalities from 12 should be implemented in 20. With this version 20 you can just switch to Firefox or Chrome and be done with it...
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ender-go last edited by
It just makes me so. sad. I know that some features are dropped from software as it is developed further but with the advent of Opera 20 I'm suddenly and completely lost. After further use of Opera 20 I find that there really isn't a way to do the many things I've done with Opera for over a decade.
The Settings page for Opera is shockingly short. I was flabbergasted at how little control there was when right clicking to adjust my Appearance. I felt like I was using Chrome or Firefox where I didn't know where to go to change anything. Finding out that there WASN'T a way to modify what I wanted was depressing.
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Deleted User last edited by
Opera 20 is incomplete and can't be used by "Opera users". If you love 20 and consider yourself to be an "Opera user", you must use Opera like other people use Firefox or Chrome. People who want a fast browser I'm sure will love this version. But like many others who have said it already: Opera will not survive without the features that have defined the browser for so many years.
Opera won't survive because you and a few hundred other users say it lacks the essential features you must have? The browser never surpassed 3% general usage for many reasons, one of which was its perception as a geek-oriented browser that while it did many things, it did them in a convoluted, backward way. Opera is a private company that gave away its software for free. We enjoyed its free software and services for many years. Now the company it changing how business is done and whether or not you agree is a moot point. I'm using Opera 20 and frankly I don't see a problem. Then again, I don't sit and endlessly tweak, fiddle, and play with the settings and configurations. The browser is simply there to do its job: get me to where I need to go. One user this morning posted: "Blink-based Opera has the same ugly, cornflower blue tab bar as Chrome. Practically no difference at all. A real deal breaker."
A real deal breaker? Seriously? This sort of foolishness and hair-splitting I'm sure is how many of the complaints are viewed; utterly ridiculous. Some are so bent out of shape over the fact that they can't have their favorite skins that they're threatening to abandon Opera. Skins, no less. We all know how important to our work on line the color of the frames and the shape of the skins can be. Others whine that the new Opera looks too much like Chrome SO they're leaving Opera for... uh... Chrome! Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense.
The new browser is here to stay whether you like it or not. The old browser is dead. Yes, you can continue to use it for the foreseeable future but we all know that over time more sites will become incompatible and the security of the browser will come into question. In short, you're going to have to make a decision sooner or later and remaining with the Presto version is not a permanent solution. The new browser rocks. It's clean... quick... has a great bookmark bar that will accommodate a few thousand bookmarks (no, it won't hold 10,000 but then the vast majority of users don't have such outlandish numbers of bookmarks and there is no way under the sun that Opera needs to concern itself with such minuscule numbers of users). It has a great speed dial that allows folders as well as the new Stash feature. I see it only improving as time goes on and am excited about what innovation that will bring. In the meantime, the browser is perfectly usable and I've no need to return to the Presto version.
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themajor last edited by
I use BlinkOpra primarily for online banking. It's an awesome online banking app and very secure and reliable.
For browsing, I use the 12.14 internet suite. It's not as fast as the banking app, but other features more than make up for it. For now.
I miss the 7.54 days
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rseiler last edited by
"I'm using Opera 20 and frankly I don't see a problem. Then again, I don't sit and endlessly tweak, fiddle, and play with the settings and configurations. The browser is simply there to do its job: get me to where I need to go."
And there it is: you have very simple needs. You are not the Opera user of old. You don't want a "geek-oriented" browser, and that's O.K. Ignoring that practically every other browser in existence is NOT a geek-oriented browser, and that Opera moved from a market that it had fairly cornered to one that is completely dominated by three major consumer-oriented browsers, please don't minimize those of us who for many years used the Microsoft Word of browsers only to find one day that it had been reduced to WordPad. And yes, I think that's an apt comparison: the feature set was reduced by at least 90% (be glad that I didn't use Notepad for the comparison).
Skins? It's the entire bones, flesh, and blood of the thing.
But yes, new Opera does browse the Web. It's "clean" alright.
And I concur with your bold prediction of it only improving as time goes on. How could it not? It's just that, will any of us still be alive if and when it ever gets back to where it once belonged?
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jito463 last edited by
the Microsoft Word of browsers only to find one day that it had been reduced to WordPad. And yes, I think that's an apt comparison: the feature set was reduced by at least 90% (be glad that I didn't use Notepad for the comparison).
You know, I think that's the best analogy I've seen anyone use since the transition. In fact, I would go so far as to Opera 15 at least was the Notepad equivalent. Maybe by now, with v20, it's moved up to Wordpad. I wouldn't know, as I can't be bothered to try. This whole mess is too depressing.
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Deleted User last edited by
Hello, I'm wondering if they dropped the great and vanguard engine and implemented webkit. Is it true? Opera 20 looks too much like Chrome and has the same developers console (good night dragonfly).
I've just upgraded to 20 because Opera 12 had a few annoying bugs (mainly in the mails) but it kept telling me there wasn't a newer version. So I found 20 looking for updates on Opera's website and I gave it a try. I like the fact the they splitted the browser and the mails because with all the years I've been using it, it was really heavy. But the browser gives me that feeling... I miss all the cool stuff, all the things that the others browsers have copied from Opera.
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afflictor last edited by
And so...
I came here willing to write all the stuff which I want back in my beloved Opera. The bookmarks (The "Stash" is OK, but this is not alternative and I just can't put them all in the bookmark bar), the block content in the menu, the quick download, the useful settings, etc.... Then I sow this
"I miss all the cool stuff, all the things that the others browsers have copied from Opera." and I'm agree. Opera 20 is a good step in the right direction, but this is not Opera now. -
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A Former User last edited by
@withme
Are all Polish people so ignorant and rude?
Can you write the code to create a fast and secure cross-platform browser?
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jito463 last edited by
they are kidding me, you can't even view a full stupid address on the address bar, this browser is being made by a bunch of retarded monkeys.
While I'm no fan of the new ChrOpera, and have - in fact - been one of it's more vocal detractors, this and your created topic are way over the line. There's a way to complain about something without being rude.
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Deleted User last edited by
You are not the Opera user of old. You don't want a "geek-oriented" browser, and that's O.K. Ignoring that practically every other browser in existence is NOT a geek-oriented browser, and that Opera moved from a market that it had fairly cornered to one that is completely dominated by three major consumer-oriented browsers, please don't minimize those of us who
Well... I've been using Opera since 1999 so I'm not sure exactly who these Opera users of Old are. Perhaps you can shed some light on that.
Opera's cornering of 3% is little to blow trumpets about. Now here's a fact for you: Opera Presto is dead. The team that developed it is largely gone or been re-assigned. Opera is developing in a new direction whether you like it or not. You can make lists of all the missing features you like until you've exhausted your store of them but in the end it won't matter one iota. It's a new team developing a new browser and it's not finished yet. So... until it is finished why not continue to use the older version and watch the development of the new browser WITHOUT the backbiting... without the snide remarks... without the dire predictions?
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jfh last edited by
With XP expiring, I finally got a new computer with Win 8.1 and Opera 20. I have used Opera for many years (I paid for my first version)but I am certainly no geek, so I never did a lot of messing with Opera. However, I certainly miss some of the features from past versions, especially the wand, the email client (not perfect, but very convenient), the panels which made access to bookmarks easy - in fact, just Opera's handling of bookmarks made Opera superior to other browsers,in my opinion - now I don't seem to be able to find them. I'm not even able to uninstall an extension I no longer want! I suggest these things (possibly excepting the email client) are items that could be restored without too trouble.
I think I'll just try Mozilla and await future versions of Opera. -
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weeble57 last edited by
So I'm not imagining things? Is there really no real bookmarks function in Opera 20? And the greyed out Bookmark Importer menu selection really doesn't exist? That's a BIG disappointment for this long-time Opera user. Speed Dial is hardly a substitute for a bookmarks/favorites function. I still have the speed, and I still have the resiliency of the tabs (only browser that RELIABLY restores bookmarks after a crash or shutdown in my experience), but what's a browser without a bookmarking feature? My sense is that I'm running beta software (you EXPECT unimplimented features in Beta software). SIGH
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jito463 last edited by
Is there really no real bookmarks function in Opera 20? And the greyed out Bookmark Importer menu selection really doesn't exist?
It's my understanding that you have to go into the settings to enable the quick access bar (which is a sort-of replacement for bookmarks, but not as intuitive). Mind you, I'm speaking from what I've read others post, not personal experience. I still can't bring myself to install it.
what's a browser without a bookmarking feature? My sense is that I'm running beta software (you EXPECT unimplimented features in Beta software). SIGH
From what I read on the old forums, it seems that their usage data from the Presto-based Opera (meaning, just those who chose to submit usage data), showed that virtually no one used bookmarks. At all.
Obviously they failed to take into account the fact that most of their users are power users/geeks who do not submit usage data because of privacy concerns, security concerns or otherwise. They had to scramble to implement even the most basic, rudimentary system, and it still took them two versions before it was even accessible (albeit through a convoluted system of enabling features).
